AQ in SB 5-handed

DeVore

The table is 5 handed and is a mixture of nuts and good players. TAG player is sitting two to my left all night, we have a good idea of each others games. He generally has a good starting hand if he raises preflop but after that is capable of making read-based moves.

He's raised utg a number of times, mostly with 99+ or AJ+ but once with weird cards (84 I think?).

Its gotten short handed and we are all about 250+ deep. Its NLH and he raises to 10. I have AQs in SB. One caller on the button...

Your move?

DeV.

Mr.Plough

i repop it to 35-40 and fold to a 4bet. when called i'm betting most flops assuming its hu

AmarilloFats

$35 - $40 . For value.

smilingatyou

tendancy to CB?
if he does every time i would just call.
if you 3bet your OOP and you CB if you miss the flop you have to fold to the Raise from either the original raiser or button.
where as you will get the same in with the check/call or check/raise when you hit.

only advantage i see to 3betting here is if you get your flush draw/flush.



personally not the hand id be trying to stack him.
would you try and stack him with Qkicker

still i am a donk

bops

have you learned anything from the "hand with lloyd" thread??

...Raiseski

fuzzbox

Call
Its suited, and no need to chase off worse aces by raising.

ianmc38

I prefer a flat call here too

Ste05

Yeah I would probably call here too, although it would depend on how the table had been playing, how I was viewed and how the game was going, what this button player was like and if I had an idea of how the 2 players play post flop.

I could easily raise here. It's a pretty horrible position to be in and it will probably get sticky post flop if we hit a pair especially with the button calling too, he would come into my decision also, if he was a massive fish I could easily raise hoping the UTG player will fold and the button might call, etc. etc. But generally I like a call here and see what comes on the flop.

breadmonkey

Ste05 wrote:

But generally I like a call here and see what comes on the flop.

With the intention of check folding if you miss? What I mean is, is the plan to play the hand in the same manner as if we had something like 55?

kryogen

i think tis is different to the thread about the hand with llyod bops, this is cash! that was tourny, here i think id prefer a call, if he c bets that is, does he? your not very deep and id rather not inflate the pot here against such a tight player who is unlikely to fold whatever he is holding for a raise, if yu miss the flop and i comes as one of the dreaded K high boards when you have AQ and bet and he raises you have to fold, losing more.... you say he has a good idea of your game and makes read dependant moves post flop, this is why i would take my line

against a normal/bad/twat, i would re raise 99% of the time

Ste05

Well it would depend on what the flop looks like, I'd probably check fold to a K48r flop if it went check, bet, raise, etc. etc. basically it depends, but I'm not going mental on the hand if I miss, similarly if it goes check, check, check, I may fire a bet on the turn, as with most things Poker related it depends, there's losts of money left to go in, I'll put it in if necessary and check/fold if necessary.

I'd just see what happens and what develops, I wouldn't have a steadfast plan for what I was going to do if I miss.

mdwexford

Re-pop to 45

Cuban Son

Does anyone think the OPs decision is blurred by the fact that the AQ is suited?
Would he have an easier decision if its AQo?
If so - why?
Is it case of liking a pretty looking hand?

RoundTower

sounds like he is a pretty tight raiser so I don't understand why you would reraise here. Call.

ocallagh

whatever about the other thread, i defo call here

cardshark202

Yeah I call here, if it was AQo I'm raising

cooker3

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah I call here, if it was AQo I'm raising

Is it really that big a difference whether it's suited or not to alter your decision like that?

Hectorjelly

either is fine, the worse the other two players post flop the more I like a call pre. In a vacuum against unknown ok opponents reraising is almost certainly more profitable IMO

DeVore

I reraised preflop to 35. My instinct was to reraise preflop but thinking it through I couldnt come up with a particularly compelling reason so I thought it might be a leak in my game, which it seems it might be.

DeV.

mrflash

no doubt about it from what you said originally, he's tag and you have a good range on him, so i don't see raising as an option here, you know he is likely to have a good pair, or aj to ak. and you are not going to put him off it too easily.

Moneymaker

Given the villian, a flat call is fine.

DeVore

I've been thinking about this again and I'm happy enough with my raise though I also see the reasoning behind calling.

I think if we attribute solid play and a solid range to UTG then I think its hard to exploit this hand and we should call to try and mask it as its definitely the bottom end of the reraising range so we will only drive out lesser hands.

However, I have a problem with that thinking in practise. When I play in CHL, the Fitz or the SE, the vast majority of my money is made not because I play particularly well but because my opponent plays badly. There have been times already in CHL where I have been absolutely at a loss for words that I'm being called and I'm ahead!

So if we attribute proper play to UTG then it becomes hard to extract cash but there are plenty of players around who would raise with AJ/T, small pair or KQ and call the reraise, especially 5 handed. This table, happens to NOT be full of such players, so looking back I wouldnt reraise against them again, but normally I would, in that situation against worse players.

DeV.

cardshark202

I think what you seem to be getting at is that at some tables you are re-raising for value, and at others it is less clear. I don't think re-raising is bad at all here though, but given we are suited, this hand will fare much better in a multiway pot than if it was unsuited. This is why I prefer calling, especially if I feel I am much better than the players around me.

RoundTower

oh yes absolutely you should reraise this hand for value against some players. But against someone who is mostly raising big pairs and big aces and who plays well postflop, maybe you should even fold.