Pavilions Shopping Centre

Lady_North

I have heard a rumour that Marks and Spencers are opening up in the new part of the centre. Anyone else heard this or indeed has anyone else heard what shops are opening up there?

Looking for some new shops to wander around on Sunday mornings. lol;)

pinkypinky

I heard that rumour about a year ago but it seems unlikely to me. Pavillions already has 2 supermarkets (Dunnes and Superquinn). The centre is lacking a big department store though. There are no M&Ss in the northside suburbs (I count Liffey Valley and Blanchardstown as west here).

Garthicus

I heard there was a Sushi bar opening too!

Hershey

Seriously - what is the story with the new section? With the exception of the cinema it has been finished and vacant for months now...Have they planning problems or why does there seem to be nothing happening?

Wishbone Ash

Hershey wrote:

it has been finished and vacant for months now

I was there a couple of weeks ago and there were construction workers everywhere!

Guy:Incognito

pinkypinky wrote:

I(I count Liffey Valley and Blanchardstown as west here).

Regardless of how far west it is, Liffey valley is on the southside not the northside anyway.

Countryripple

I can verify that M+S will be opening a major store there. The entire place is going to grow imensely over the next 5 years. Major development is being done to alot of the surrounding area too. I can prettymuch tell you that it will be the new centre of swords village. The area that is currently the outdoor parking is gonna be more retail space. Planning is at the early stages but the county council have already seen the proposals for the new development. Hotels, restaurants and more stores involved. Though they wouldnt have the specifics of who exactly will be taking up units in it yet at this stage.

It will be an interesting project.

SeaSide

Wishbone Ash wrote:

I was there a couple of weeks ago and there were construction workers everywhere!

Looks like they decided they could get an extra few square feet by extending the shops into the open area. It had all been completed then they started work again.

Wishbone Ash

SeaSide wrote:

It had all been completed then they started work again.

Ahh, that would explain it! Thanks.

pinkypinky

Countryripple wrote:

I can verify that M+S will be opening a major store there.

That's cool. How do you know? Press release out from M&S?

Dizzyblonde

That sounds fabulous but are M&S opening in the phase that's just been built?
Or in a future phase yet to be built?

nice1franko

They're opening a Zara in it too.

jdivision

SeaSide wrote:

Looks like they decided they could get an extra few square feet by extending the shops into the open area. It had all been completed then they started work again.

It's actually probably tenant fit out. Shopping centres usually open in the first week in October so it'll probably be then.

jdivision

Countryripple wrote:

I can verify that M+S will be opening a major store there. The entire place is going to grow imensely over the next 5 years. Major development is being done to alot of the surrounding area too. I can prettymuch tell you that it will be the new centre of swords village. The area that is currently the outdoor parking is gonna be more retail space. Planning is at the early stages but the county council have already seen the proposals for the new development. Hotels, restaurants and more stores involved. Though they wouldnt have the specifics of who exactly will be taking up units in it yet at this stage.

It will be an interesting project.

The Sunday Business Post covered this last year:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/11/12/story18730.asp

SeaSide

jdivision wrote:

It's actually probably tenant fit out. Shopping centres usually open in the first week in October so it'll probably be then.

No. I was looking at this from the cinema floor and everything looked ready to go except they had cut holes in the pristine marble floor. I thought they were going to be putting in kiosks and had to provide power. What they were actually doing was pouring in bases for the structural steel and the all the shop fronts have come out by several metres. You can see this if you look over the railings at the cinema food counter

pinkypinky

jdivision wrote:

The Sunday Business Post covered this last year:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/11/12/story18730.asp

That article only said that the new phase would be targeted by the like of M&S and Debenhams. I guess we'll just have to wait until the bit opens to see for sure!

I8poop4U

First things first M&S are not going into the new section. The reason for the delay is basically the Pavillions was sold last year to the same crowd who own DunDrum centre and the new owners were not at all happy with the lay out. As you can see from the top floor the amount of waisted space was a joke so they have made most of the units bigger. Also they have now linked up to Pennys and all new shops are due to open within the next 6 weeks.This also includes the new units at the side of Pennys.

Neil_Sedaka

Sorry to hijack the thread, but does anyone know why Aldi or Lidl don't have an outlet in Swords?
They open up in areas with smaller populations, could it be planning issues?

Dizzyblonde

I don't know how true it is, but when the Pavilions opened it was rumoured that Dunne's and Superquinn went in on the condition that Aldi or Lidl wouldn't be allowed to open in the general vicinity.

johnnyrotten

Countryripple wrote:

I can verify that M+S will be opening a major store there. The entire place is going to grow imensely over the next 5 years. Major development is being done to alot of the surrounding area too. I can prettymuch tell you that it will be the new centre of swords village. The area that is currently the outdoor parking is gonna be more retail space. Planning is at the early stages but the county council have already seen the proposals for the new development. Hotels, restaurants and more stores involved. Though they wouldnt have the specifics of who exactly will be taking up units in it yet at this stage.

It will be an interesting project.

Unlikely, the shops in the new section are not very big. Pennys on the main street side almost backs onto SuperQuinn.

Rashers72

I8poop4U wrote:

First things first M&S are not going into the new section. The reason for the delay is basically the Pavillions was sold last year to the same crowd who own DunDrum centre and the new owners were not at all happy with the lay out. As you can see from the top floor the amount of waisted space was a joke so they have made most of the units bigger. Also they have now linked up to Pennys and all new shops are due to open within the next 6 weeks.This also includes the new units at the side of Pennys.

Spot on. Was in the commercial section of the Irish Times today. Zara are the only major new player. You are right about the Penny's link as well.

daymoh

Read in the SBP that a sushi restaurant called Yo! Sushi will be opening in November. There's one already in Dundrum SC.

shoegirl

Dizzyblonde wrote: »

I don't know how true it is, but when the Pavilions opened it was rumoured that Dunne's and Superquinn went in on the condition that Aldi or Lidl wouldn't be allowed to open in the general vicinity.

There is a long "tradition" in the area of lobbying by powerful local business interests against new openings. If that doesn't work, local business owners have been known to buy up land in the vicinity in order to prevent anybody else from developing it. (Or using it as part of a planning permission application as parking, etc). You have to remember this is Ray Burke county. Local cultures are hard to change, especially in an ireland still heavily driven heavily by property development/ownership interests.

tbh

first I've heard of it, and I know a few people with businesses in Swords. I'm not saying you are wrong, but who/what are you talking about? or is this just something you've heard?

shoegirl

tbh wrote: »

first I've heard of it, and I know a few people with businesses in Swords. I'm not saying you are wrong, but who/what are you talking about? or is this just something you've heard?

See the appeal here http://www.pleanala.ie/REP/101/R101011.DOC

Sadly, they don't have the documents going back to the mid 1980s objections to the original development. They made interesting reading at the time. My sister did her masters degree in Geography, incidentally, on the mass of revisions made to local draft area planning documents, which strangely enough, seemed to coincide with plans for bigger commercial and residental developments. A significant businessman from the Kilsallaghan area suggested to her to look at landbanks owned by one particular business interest, who had strategically bought up a number of properties (at the time mostly derelictions and rough scrub) in order to prevent anybody else from developing them as competition.

Having said that, since then most of these lands have either been developed on, sold or had proposals made. There is one still up before the planners which may turn out to be particularly interesting, last judgement I saw was 2004.

tbh

that's really interesting, thanks for the link!

shoegirl

tbh wrote: »

that's really interesting, thanks for the link!

Most unfortunate that the records online dont seem to go back to the 1970s and 1980s :-D

I8poop4U

New section is opening next Wednesday the 24th im told. Zara(on two levels) Champion Sports, Esprit, Diesel, Du Pareil au Meme, Butlers Chocolates, Body Shop and Yo Sushi and a few others. Not all shops will be open but will be by mid November.

Lady_North

Cool, Thanks for all the info. I can't wait for all the new shops.

Bluetonic

M&S confirmed yesterday that they will open their biggest Irish store (12,000 sq m) in phase three of The Pavillions (planning for which will be applied for early next year)

Next march Tommy Hilfiger, Espirit, Bertoni, Champion Sports and Yo Sushui will open in phase two.

At present apparently 150,000 shoppers shop there per week.

Lady_North

Thats great news. I love M&S. Traffic can be the pits now, can't imagine what it will be like after phase 3...............

Rashers72

Will the Swords M+S be bigger then Mary st/Henry st?

johnnyrotten

Bluetonic wrote: »

M&S confirmed yesterday that they will open their biggest Irish store (12,000 sq m) in phase three of The Pavillions (planning for which will be applied for early next year)

Where did you hear this?

On a side note the new Zara is tiny!

Bluetonic

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Where did you hear this?

They announced it yesterday as a major retail conference in the UK, it was also report in the Irish Times today.

Rashers72 wrote: »

Will the Swords M+S be bigger then Mary st/Henry st?

As per earlier post it'll be their biggest in Ireland.

I8poop4U

Bluetonic wrote: »

M&S confirmed yesterday that they will open their biggest Irish store (12,000 sq m) in phase three of The Pavillions (planning for which will be applied for early next year)

Next march Tommy Hilfiger, Espirit, Bertoni, Champion Sports and Yo Sushui will open in phase two.

At present apparently 150,000 shoppers shop there per week.

Esprit and Bertoni are open

Bluetonic

I8poop4U wrote: »

Esprit and Bertoni are open

Very good - it was just copied from The Irish Times.

pinkypinky

From today's Irish Times:

House of Fraser is to open its third Irish store at The Pavilions shopping centre in Swords, Co Dublin......
Marks & Spencer will be the second anchor store in the next phase of The Pavilions where it will have its largest Irish outlet of 12,077 sq m (130,000 sq ft).

A planning application is to be lodged early next year for an extension of 55,740 sq m (600,000 sq ft), bringing retail space in The Pavilions to more than 92,903 sq m (1 million sq ft).

So it's not actually definite, if planning permission hasn't been given yet. The article also states that it will be completed by 2012.

All this spells yet more construction hassle for Swords.

LouOB

MMMMMMMMMM, Should i increase credit card limit now or later

Bluetonic

Application for planning for phase 3 (building over the existing car parks) went in last Thursday the 28th August.

F08A/1057 is the planning number, the text is a bit long winded but may as well put it up for what it's worth, I've highlighted the important bits.

A 7-year permission for development at this site. The proposed development comprises the construction of Pavilions Phase 3, a mixed-use town centre development amounting to c.272,637 sq.m. total Gross Floor Area (GFA) and accommodated in buildings ranging in height from 3 to 10 storeys over three levels of enclosed basement car parking, with an associated network of open, sheltered and enclosed streets and spaces. The proposed development includes the following elements: A total of c.124,119 sq.m. GFA of mixed use retail, commercial and community uses (including ancillary areas), broken down as follows: - 137 no. retail units (c. 63,843 sq.m. GFA), including 2 no. retail anchor units (Anchor Unit No. 1 measuring c.11,284 sq.m. and Anchor Unit No. 2 measuring c.12,080 sq.m., gross floor area), including ancillary storage and staff facilities, generally located at Levels -1 to +3; 35 no. restaurant/cafe units (c.4,942 sq.m. GFA), generally located at Levels 0 to +3; 1 no. public house of c.696 sq.m. GFA located at Level +1 and Level +2; Office block measuring c.15,593 sq.m. GFA, located in the eastern part of the site, with frontage to the R132. Office accommodation extends from Level +4 to Level +9, over office entrance lobbies from Level 0 to Level +3: 2 no. childcare facilities of c.478 sq.m. and c.266 sq.m. GFA respectively, located at Level +4/Level+5 and Levels +1 respectively: 2 no. community rooms of c.94 sq.m. and c. 318 sq.m. GFA respectively located at Level +1: 1 no. radio station of c.130 sq.m. GFA, located at Level +4: 1 no. medical centre of c. 1,644 sq.m. GFA located at Levels +1 to +3: A management suite for the development measuring c. 455 sq.m. GFA, located at Level +2: Ancillary backup areas of c. 35,660 sq.m. including foodcourt seating areas, communications/control/security rooms, cleaner storage, public toilets, first-aid room, plant rooms, substations, switch rooms, bicycle stores, bin stores, etc, generally located at Levels -2 to +4 and: Other associated areas, including service cores, voids, etc. measuring c. 16,747 sq.m. A total of 191 no. residential units (c.23,810 sq.m. GFA), generally located at Levels OM to +9, comprising 23 no. 1-bedroom units, 140 no. 2-bedroom units and 28 no. 3-bedroom units in a mix of apartments and duplexes. Private and landscaped semi-private open space to serve the residential use, provided by a mix of balconies, terraces, roof terraces and courtyards. Ancillary additional residential storage for bulky items and bicycle parking is provided. The residential units are arranged generally in 3 no. areas within the site. 131 no. units (including 18 no. 1 bed apartment units, 100 no. 2 bed apartment units and 13 no. 3 bed apartment units) are located in the northern part of the site at the junction of the R132 and Malahide Road, accommodated in blocks extending from Level 0M to Level +8. Each unit is provided with private open space in the form of balconies and/or terraces. Residential car parking is available at basement level. Bicycle parking, bin storage and remote storage for apartments is provided at Level +1 & Level +4. Access to the residential units is by way of a residential access core from basement and surface levels. 31 no. units (including 29 no. 2 bed apartment units and 2 no. 3 bed duplex units) are located in the eastern part of the site, accommodated in blocks extending from Level +4 to Level +7. Each unit is provided with private open space in the form of balconies and/or terraces. Residential car parking is available at basement level. Bicycle parking, bin storage and remote storage for residential units is provided at Level +3. Access to the residential units is by way of a residential access core from basement and surface levels. 29 no. units (including 5 no. 1 bed apartment units, 8 no. 2 bed apartment units, 3 no. 2 bed duplex units, 12 no. 3 bed apartment units and 1 no. 3 bedroom duplex unit) are located in the southern part of the site, at the junction of the R132 and the southern site boundary, accommodated in blocks extending from Level+4 to Level +9. Each unit is provided with private open space in the form of balconies and/or terraces. Residential car parking is available at basement level. Bicycle parking, bin storage and remote storage for residential units is provided at Level +4. Access to the residential units is by way of a residential access core from basement and surface levels. And all associated ancillary areas and site works, including : Demolition of 3 no. habitable dwellings at No's 9, 10 & 11 Dublin Road (c.368 sq.m. GFA): Revisions to the layout and configuration of the existing Pavilions Shopping Centre, previously permitted under Planning Reg. Ref. F98A/1100 to provide for its integration with the proposed Pavilions Phase 3 development including demolition of existing areas of Phase 1 and Phase 2 at Level 0 to Level +3 (c. 3,877 sq.m. GFA). Creation of new internal network of open, sheltered and enclosed pedestrian streets to connect to the existing surrounding public footpath and road network. The proposed development will result in the creation of 5 no. new open and sheltered streets at Level +1 - primary streets called up as 'Central Street', 'The Rise' and secondary streets called up as 'Southern Street', Shop Street' and 'Retail Street'. At Level 0 streets shall generally be enclosed. Creation of new urban spaces, called up at 'Pavilions Place' and 'Malahide Place'. Replacement of 3 no. existing vehicular entrances with, 1 no. temporary construction entrance in place of the existing emergency entrance at the R132, and 3 no. new permanent vehicular entrances and associated access roads for use during construction and operational phases, comprising 1 no. new left in/left-out vehicular access off the R132 on the eastern site boundary, 1 no. vehicular access off the Malahide Road on the northern site boundary and 1 no. vehicular access off the Dublin Road on the western site boundary. The proposed development will tie in with infrastructure works, approved by Fingal County Council in accordance with Part 8 of the Planning & Development Regulations 2001-2007, to realign and upgrade the existing R132 to accommodate access to Pavilions Phase 3 car parking areas in advance of Metro North. 3,145 no. new car parking spaces over Level -2, Level -1, Level -1M, Level 0 and Level 0M, including 2,819 no. covered car parking spaces and 326 no. open car parking spaces. Residential covered car parking of c. 5,880 sq.m. and non-residential covered car parking 102,081 sq.m. 625 no. new bicycle parking spaces, to be provided throughout the development, to cater for both retail./commercial/community and residential uses. All ancillary areas including circulation space, service routes and yards, storage areas, commercial and residential refuse storage, roof plant and plant rooms, meter room, 18 no. electricity substations, etc. All site excavation, demolition, landscaping and ancillary development works. All on a site measuring c.7.46 ha, currently occupied by existing surface car parking, circulation and service areas associated with Pavilions Shopping Centre, open lands and 3no. existing dwellings, and bounded by the Malahide Road and Longlands to the north, by The Paddocks and Carlton Court residential estates and associated public open space to the south, by the R132 Regional Road (formerly the N1) to the east, and by the existing Pavilions Shopping Centre and Dublin Road to the west. An Environment Impact Statement (EIS) will be submitted to the Planning Authority with the planning application.

The last part in bold refers to this from FCC

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Roads/SchemesPreviouslyonDisplayfor2008/SWORDSTOWNCENTRECARPARKACCESSSCHEME/

meditraitor

Bluetonic wrote: »

Application for planning for phase 3 (building over the existing car parks) went in last Thursday the 28th August.

F08A/1057 is the planning number, the text is a bit long winded but may as well put it up for what it's worth, I've highlighted the important bits.



The last part in bold refers to this from FCC

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Roads/SchemesPreviouslyonDisplayfor2008/SWORDSTOWNCENTRECARPARKACCESSSCHEME/

It is supposed to look like this when finished. Pedestrian streets covered over with a glass roof.......... Looks good

meditraitor

And this is were the extention will go if the plans go through for the new M&S

PCros

meditraitor wrote: »

And this is were the extention will go if the plans go through for the new M&S

Ok where will the car park go??

meditraitor

PCros wrote: »

Ok where will the car park go??

Not sure ;- underground maybe; or the most obvious place would be across the road (with a tunnel under it to the shopping centre.

Bluetonic

PCros wrote: »

Ok where will the car park go??

meditraitor wrote: »

Not sure ;- underground maybe; or the most obvious place would be across the road (with a tunnel under it to the shopping centre.

It's all covered in my post above.

3,145 no. new car parking spaces over Level -2, Level -1, Level -1M, Level 0 and Level 0M, including 2,819 no. covered car parking spaces and 326 no. open car parking spaces

Splinter

looks well, only bit worrying me is carparking while they build all this new stuff... its gonna be a bit manic for a long time...

Bluetonic

splinter wrote: »

looks well, only bit worrying me is carparking while they build all this new stuff... its gonna be a bit manic for a long time...

Half of the ground space of phase 3 currently is unused so it should be no problem.

miss no stars

yipppeeeeeeeeeeee

jdivision

The plan is also to link up with the Penneys development when it is completed.

u2gooner

Pavilions is already linked up to the Swords Central shopping centre (Penneys development)

Bluetonic

http://www.fingal-independent.ie/news/new-phase-set-to-create-4000-jobs-1473868.html

New phase set to create 4,000 jobs

Thursday September 11 2008

Some 4,000 jobs will be created in the Pavilions Shopping Centre when its next phase is completed, plans for which were unveiled last week.

Chartered Land lodged its planning application for the €1 billion development, which will see over 100 retail units, two major department stores, nearly 200 residential units and four blocks of office space being delivered to the Fingal capital.

A further 3,000 jobs will be provided during construction of the centre, which is expected to be completed in 2013. According to the developers, the plans will reflect Fingal County Council’s overall masterplan for Swords - the creation of a new 100,000-populated city, with improved facilities and amenities.

‘We have been particularly conscious of ensuring that our plans for Swords Pavilions are totally in keeping with and supportive of the evolving plans that Fingal County Council has for Swords,’ Chartered Land, chief executive Dominic Deeny said.

‘We are keenly aware of the needs of this part of North County Dublin which is set to continue its population growth well into the future. ‘While our expansion plans could well stand alone on their own merits, they will be all the stronger in the context of the many developments envisaged within the masterplan.’

The expansion will incorporate a number of new naturally-ventilated public streets, meeting places and exhibition spaces, all of which will be covered by a high-level glass roof structure.

Central to the expansion will be the inclusion of over 40 new restaurants and street cafés, which will create a new social and cultural district for Swords.

Both Marks & Spencer and House of Fraser are both set to be part of the scheme, while there are also plans for a medical centre, crèches, community rooms and a daycare centre and improved public transport provisions.

‘We believe the Pavilions is well on its way to becoming the destination of choice among shoppers in north Dublin and further afield and we are delighted that both M&S and House of Fraser have confirmed that they will be opening at Swords Pavilions,’

Mr Deeny added. ‘Both will offer consumers an incredible choice of quality brands and will further highlight Swords Pavilions’ credentials as it steps up to regional centre status.’

‘We have been optimising our operations for some time and will continue to do so to meet the needs of the business.’ According to the company, Swords Laboratories is the ‘launch site’ for many of the new healthcare treatments it develops and it is one of the ‘key suppliers’ of bulk pharmaceuticals to finishing plants around the world.

‘All workers affected by the decision have been notified and discussions in relation to these changes are ongoing with employees and their representatives,’ the statement continued. ‘The Department of Enterprise Trade and Employment, IDA Ireland and all other relevant bodies have been notified of the decision.’

Last October, the Fingal Independent exclusively revealed fears over job security, when employees told of the ‘uncertainty among staff’ concerning their futures. BMS responded by stressing the ‘promising future’ ahead of the Swords plant.

‘There are no plans to close this site, and at this point in time, there are no plans to reduce the workforce at Swords,’ the company said last year. A statement on behalf of the company was also read out to county councillors at the October meeting of Fingal County Council. It stated that there was ‘no plans to close the site’ and ‘no plans to reduce the workforce at Swords’.

Bluetonic

Ground floor plans. The the other various levels match the same shape with another floor of retail and underground levels of parking.