What is correct decision?

tipp86

I was playing a cash game last night at one of the poker tours thats name does not deserve a mention as it was close to where i live this been the only reason i played there.There was strange decisions been made by the dealers all night which puzzled me and i had never seen anything like it in all my time playing poker.The question i have to pose is sb moves all in after flop for approx 150 mid position player calls him and while this is going on sb reveals his hand to me and also lets player on dealer button who he is friends with know his hand player on dealer button decides to call any way with a gutshot straight draw.This is where the problem starts player at bottom of the table objects to his call due to him seeing the hand this player is not in pot then player in mid position who is in the pot decides to object,the tournament director arrives as the dealer is clueless he is not sure what to do in the end the player decides to fold his hand and is allowed keep his money i do not know what decision would have been made if this did not happen.In my opinion i dont think he should have to muck his hand as the dealer did not witness any of it id be interested to see what any of ye think what the correct decision here should be?

Samba

Betting continues as normal even though SBs cards have been exposed, the sb has the option to call any bets to showdown.

tipp86

sorry should have mentioned players were all in after flop

connie147

You really should tell us the name of the poker tour company. If they've got dealers and tournament directors who dont know the rules, your fellow boardsters would like to know so that we wouldn't finish up playing there sometime.Sharing information.

jacQues

Let me get this straight. SB goes all-in. MP calls. Button who is SB's friend gets to see SB's hand before making his decision, then calls.

Whoa! Hell yes if I was MP I would be raging too. Seriously! That is collusion. Judgeing from your information, basically button is calling with gutshot because SB was bluffing and after MP called (assuming weak pair) together they can still win the pot (and obviously share their winnings after).

It above right? If so then I can actually agree to the decision made. In case of obvious collusion I as a TD would also "eject" the two players in question. But I'm guessing that they were regulars etc. and the TD didn't want the "problems" that come with doing that... VERY MESSY!

If above is right, then those players should be named and shamed. Also, depending on whether the TD acted against those players, the tour could be named too for allowing this to happen.

jacQues
(shocked hamster)

Goodluck2me

does it rhyme with Peltic Coker Tour?

Im not goin to be that annoyed if im MP, extra valooo!

Lazare

jacQues wrote:

Judgeing from your information, basically button is calling with gutshot because SB was bluffing and after MP called (assuming weak pair) together they can still win the pot (and obviously share their winnings after).

LOL.

OK, I've no hand, my friend has no hand, let's call and bust the guy who has a hand and share out the monies.

D'oh!

tipp86

I wasnt going to name them connie because in the past there has been plenty spoken about them but just to let you know it was the celtic poker tour and this was just one of the crazy moments i witnessed on the table during the night which i wont get into.In fact the small blind had an overpair to the board the player on the button just wanted in for the laugh really as he was in profit to the tune of €1000,im not sure if they had any intention of splitting winnings i just think the sb wanted him out of the hand,my main problem lays with the floor who didnt have a clue what to do and seemed to have no control over table and i would be interested to see what any people who run cardrooms or deal would have done?

phantom_lord

jacQues wrote:

Let me get this straight. SB goes all-in. MP calls. Button who is SB's friend gets to see SB's hand before making his decision, then calls.

Whoa! Hell yes if I was MP I would be raging too. Seriously! That is collusion. Judgeing from your information, basically button is calling with gutshot because SB was bluffing and after MP called (assuming weak pair) together they can still win the pot (and obviously share their winnings after).

lol

Macspower

with a 1000 profit he'd want to remain active because if he didn't play a hand for 2 rounds of the table he would risk been raked away....

eggie

Macspower wrote:

with a 1000 profit he'd want to remain active because if he didn't play a hand for 2 rounds of the table he would risk been raked away....

rake is up to 500 euro a round per person? get out of there quick!!:D

Flushdraw

A couple of weeks ago i was talking to a regular who plays there, and he was telling me that they played 2 hours of a €100 freezeout with only 43 cards in the deck.

They used the A-9 of spades for the seat draw and forgot to put them back in the deck. Hilarious stuff lol!

TOURTHELANCE

No surprizes here i played one of there events a few months back and after five mins i wanted to dump my stack and go home, Value is shockingly bad as the payout is Sh.t :eek: , Play is donkey style as the majority dont understand position,odds,string bets etc etc etc. Thing is they get huge numbers and will continue to do so as its the same old fools that go playing time and time again (Dont get me wrong im sure there is plenty of decent players but the majority of play is shocking at best) The other thing i cant understand is how they pay ten Apes to walk around watching the games? Why not have them dealing As you would in a BigSlick or Gjp event.

TOURTHELANCE

Flushdraw wrote:

A couple of weeks ago i was talking to a regular who plays there, and he was telling me that they played 2 hours of a €100 freezeout with only 43 cards in the deck.

They used the A-9 of spades for the seat draw and forgot to put them back in the deck. Hilarious stuff lol!

HA HA i thought they were a card or two short of a full deck but 9 is just taking the piss...

Matt Santos

I have had a few experiences with this crew but I tend to think of them and their customers as a "second tier" in the Irish Poker Scene. It is a very bad standard of play and an unacceptable pay out structure indeed but they are pandering to an audience that suits them.
The standard of play at a Bigslick or a GJP event is world class and these "fun Players" would not stand a chance! The dealers are not going to tolerate string bets or exposure of cards or unnecessary conversation that could be spilling information to others at the table.
You will always find it frustrating after playing in a high content and cerebral game to switch to ape playing that makes no sense. Unfortunately this Tour is very low content and very weak in implementing basic rulings. The fact that you are depending on players to self deal is also wide open to sabotage. Often thought that with a small effort from an ex dealer or a mild card shark he could set cards to take a massive pot!! The point of the 10 handlers walkin around also is inexplicable!!
Tipp -- Serves you right for sitting at there cash tables knowing the rake involved. An incident like this is happening every 5 minutes but only the poker regulars like yerself is going to spot them.....

Matt

Macspower

Matt Santos wrote:

Often thought that with a small effort from an ex dealer or a mild card shark he could set cards to take a massive pot!!
Matt

even with a massive pot you'd only last about 2 rounds after the break...

I played one last year and couldn't believe the standard of the play...... I know the owners and the walk around guys/dealers pretty well and I know they are cleaning up on this venture....

When it started I thought hmm maybe not too bad... look at the crowd... 200+ 30 min blinds.... and donkeys....

I won a massive pot with 68o when I filled the nuts str8 on the turn and bet out only to have 4 all in's before it got back around to me..... and the nuts remained the nuts...... I remember all the madness when I anounced a str8 and about 5 of the talbe insisted there was no str8 there...... I was the chip leader in the whole room by the break.....

Not bad methinks..... next thing after the break complete madnes breaks out with 4/5 all in's every hand.. I stayed out of it for about an hour or so and then realised I had only about 10bb left.... blinds had jumped to 1500/3000 in about an hour....... I shipped it with KK on a J high flop and got 3 callers to be donkeys out on the river.....

Madness.... I had a word with Mick/Dennis about the payout that night and the only answer I got was that they guarantee 10k every night despite the crowds.... It cost 150 a head that night with 250 players approx and they paid top ten places with a 10k payout..... MADNESS

Edited to say it's been a while since we had a good CPT bashing..... overdue

mrflash

Samba wrote:

Betting continues as normal even though SBs cards have been exposed, the sb has the option to call any bets to showdown.

This is not the rule. in this case all the money went in anyways, but where cards are exposed, the player whose cards were exposed only has the option to call or fold on that street to any further raises and he cannot reraise, but as soon as the betting finishes and the next street occurs, i.e. a flop is dealt, or the turn card is dealt, the player whose card was revealed now has full betting rites restored to him.