unrealistic / unreasonable VRT

C_Breeze

I am getting my car VRT'd today.

Its a 94 Mazda MX3 1.8 V6 wih 106k miles ..... The VRT for this is €730!!!


I just checked the VRT for a 95 Nissan 200SX 2.0 TURBO with same miles and VRT is €501!!!!


What the f%&* are they palying at the VRT office. I would have thought a 200sx turbo is more valuable and sought after than an mx3 .

The VRT prices are absolutely ridiculous, but unofrtunately ive no other choice but to pay.

Can anything be done , can i not go in there an argue with them about how stupid and unrealistic their prices are!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Really annoyed at this as a similar spec 323f will cost about 380 in VRT so why double for an MX3 and its basically the same car.

Mitch Connor

you can appeal - but you have to pay first.

Owen

I don't know enough about both cars, but what are the original prices of these vehicles new, in Ireland? What size engines do they have? What mileage did you give the revenue to calculate the VRT?

Elessar

There's nothing you can do. If you argue you'll only piss off the examiner and he will pile up extra charges for whatever extras you have on the car.

I agree it's madness but you just have to accept it. I recently priced a 6 year old 3 series, in the space of a week the VRT jumped €1000. Vrt explained that they review prices often and increase or decrease the OMSP based on market fluctuations.

What can you do. Appeal will get you nowhere. Grit you teeth and bear it.

smash

It would have been a lot cheaper to just get the car in Ireland. Did you not check the VRT before you bought it?

C_Breeze

Ned the mx3 is 1.8 and the 200sx is 2L turbo.

an mx3 sells for about 2,5k second hand wheras a 200sx will fetch about 5k and above so the fact that the 200sx has cheaper VRT when it is newer and more valuable is completely ridiculous.

Damn , i was just reading up on the appeal, but you say it wont get me anywhere Ellesar .... has anybody actually tried to appeal before?

C_Breeze

steve06 wrote:

It would have been a lot cheaper to just get the car in Ireland. Did you not check the VRT before you bought it?

No i didnt check the VRT before i bought it (i assumed it would be dirt cheap given its a 94 with 106 on the clock - my mistake - but its only about 300 extra than what i expected ... but that not what annoys me , what annoys me is the vrt price on the mx3 in comparison to other cars that should be dearer)

How do you know I would have gotten it cheaper in Ireland , you dont know how much I paid for it??? ..

Plus this one is spotless with a Full service history from NEW unlike the junk on carzone they are trying to sell for 3k upwards

Henry Ford III

C_Breeze wrote:

Ned the mx3 is 1.8 and the 200sx is 2L turbo.

an mx3 sells for about 2,5k second hand wheras a 200sx will fetch about 5k and above so the fact that the 200sx has cheaper VRT when it is newer and more valuable is completely ridiculous.

Damn , i was just reading up on the appeal, but you say it wont get me anywhere Ellesar .... has anybody actually tried to appeal before?

Based on what you're saying I'd go for it on appeal.

Back up everything you say (with written proof).

smash

I've been told by a garage to appeal my VRT... tell them you bought the car overseas, hadn't seen it before you bought it and it needs 4 new tires, new battery, new timing belt, clutch is slipping and there's some body work to be touched up!

The garage said I should get 25% back from them.

smash

C_Breeze wrote:

How do you know I would have gotten it cheaper in Ireland , you dont know how much I paid for it??? ..

Plus this one is spotless with a Full service history from NEW unlike the junk on carzone they are trying to sell for 3k upwards

just that my mate got a 1992 2 years ago for 2k. They're really hard to shift so people do drop the prices.

but do appeal it anyway.

unkel

C_Breeze wrote:

an mx3 sells for about 2,5k second hand

According to the VRT website, the OMSP is €2.9k so VRT is €0.7k. Sounds reasonable enough. Your problem is that the figures for the 200 SX are too low. The VRT figures are a bit of a lottery for many but the most common cars. Some are way too high, others are way too low

Pay. Appeal. See where you get...

JHMEG

Your only other option is to write to the Mazda Section of the Vehicle Valuation office in Rosslare, and tell them you feel the valuation is wrong.

You have to write as this is some sort of civil service top secret section where they don't have email or phones. At least that's what I was told when I asked at my local VRO.

I've not written to them myself as being the civil service it could take months before a reply is forthcoming, and even then it might not be good news.

If you want to do it quick then pay and appeal. Your appeal probably won't be successful.

galwaytt

Pay it and appeal it - it won't cost you anything, anyway......

Back up your appeal with hard information - forget the Nissan - you'll just fubar the system for the Nissan guys........ !!

So, start collecting in print and print off, web ads for that car in Ireland, and get the average price. If it comes out at close to your actual, and the resultant VRT...........then, er, be quiet !

TBH, they're not unreasonable, and there's always the ombudsman at the end of the road if it gets really ugly.

Henry Ford III

The result of an appeal can be a negative one also. Worth remembering.

cbyrne

Saw an interesting case last time I was in Wicklow VRT office (about a month ago), guy before me seemed to appeal the quote, didn't catch why, anyway after a few calls to and fro they agreed to reduce the quote by 200, however and heres the sting, he had already gone to the trouble of getting a draft for the original amount and they wouldn't take that as it was overpayment (i.e. wouldn't give him change!). He said he'd taken day off work and travelled a good bit and now the bank was closed he'd have to do the same again, and even then he said f'ck it and he'd pay the original but they would let him do that either.. real case of 'Computer Says No' if I ever seen it. Came away thinking what a crowd of t.. Not sure how it finished up as I was 'processed' at that stage....

C_Breeze

Thanks for the replies. Well it has been paid now and I dont think im going to bother with appealing ... it doesnt sound like it will be very succesfull ... and in the off cahnce that it is id say it'll be only for a small amount.

Funny thing is , I asked her how come its so expensive and did it not seem a bit over-valued to her .... she told me they (mx3's) were ony about 400 to vrt in June but they went up when they were re-calculated in July . Oh well , i love being screwed by the tax man.

unkel

cbyrne wrote:

but they would let him do that either.. real case of 'Computer Says No'

LOL, he must have exploded with frustration

Kimbot

MX's are becoming popular cars because they are V6 engines! Hence why you are getting shafted for it!!

cbyrne

i think that was steam i saw coming out his ears!! Poor lad..

WRT to the quotes I find that (and there are exceptions) the OMSP is nearly always lower than what the value of the car seems to be on the likes of carzone. That said, they prob allow for the cost of transporting it etc. across coz it oftens works out when alls said and done its not far off the price you'd paid here (i.e. when you add *all* the costs of buying, not just VRT).

However there are exceptions and if you can spot them you can save a good bit.. I wonder who puts the valuations on the cars and just how they do it.. wouldn't mind seeing that piece of code.. I've never heard of any friend of a friend whos job that is.. maybe they just don't admit it, all very hush hush!

Kimbot

cbyrne wrote:

i think that was steam i saw coming out his ears!! Poor lad..

WRT to the quotes I find that (and there are exceptions) the OMSP is nearly always lower than what the value of the car seems to be on the likes of carzone. That said, they prob allow for the cost of transporting it etc. across coz it oftens works out when alls said and done its not far off the price you'd paid here (i.e. when you add *all* the costs of buying, not just VRT).

However there are exceptions and if you can spot them you can save a good bit.. I wonder who puts the valuations on the cars and just how they do it.. wouldn't mind seeing that piece of code.. I've never heard of any friend of a friend whos job that is.. maybe they just don't admit it, all very hush hush!

Its the same as the peice of code that insurers use as the book values of cars!!

Henry Ford III

cbyrne wrote:

...WRT to the quotes I find that (and there are exceptions) the OMSP is nearly always lower than what the value of the car seems to be on the likes of carzone. That said, they prob allow for the cost of transporting it etc. across coz it oftens works out when alls said and done its not far off the price you'd paid here (i.e. when you add *all* the costs of buying, not just VRT).

Most Carzone prices are hopelessly inflated.

cbyrne

True, but I guess thats natural as you always know you're going to have reduce the actual price during the 'haggling' phase of closing a deal!!