If psychic mediums are genuine...

Fandyfan

There's something I've been wondering lately and it was because of watching a tv programme. The programme was about a psychic medium doing things to proove that she is the real deal. Now, im not stupid, I know some people put it to a technique called cold reading and stuff like that but she was getting some things right without having to fish for information.

Anyways. the people she did readings for, she would say that their deceased loved one is standing by them in some spirit form or whatever.

Now, I'm a buddhist and buddhism teaches reincarnation so my question is:
IF psychics are guenuine and they see spirits or whatever, does that rule out reincarnation? that all we do in the after life is walk around the real world protecting our loved ones?

I hope this isn't a stupid question, sorry if I wasted your time.

By the way I didn't want to put this question in the Religion Forum because I thought I might have gotten some biased answers.

Nevyn

From PI with love.

Zillah

There really is no rule book for any of this. Or, more accurately, there are dozens of rulebooks and they all say different things. In my experience people seem to assume whatever appeals to them most is true. So, maybe spirits can hang around for a while before they reincarnate, maybe they are people who have escaped the cycle of reincarnation. Maybe these ghosts aren't people at all, maybe they're manifestations of that person, but not the soul. Maybe they're wicked Gods or Fairies come to trick foolish humans.

Maybe none of its real, either way you need to work it out for yourself.

Oryx

^What Zillah said. Or time may be a different concept 'out there'. Perhaps our concept of person and soul is too concrete. It may be less fixed than we imagine. I wonder about this a lot too.

Sapien

Most sophiscticated spiritual systems and religious philosophies suppose that the human being is composed of many parts, not simply the body, mind and soul. The Kabbalah, for instance, splits the person into Yechida, Neschamah, Chiah, Ruach, Nephesch and G'uph, the first being the highest, most spiritual and abstract part of the soul, and the last being the lowest part - effectively the body itself. Zoroastrianism had a similarly complex anatomy of the soul, as did the ancient Egyptians. As a Buddhist, you may be more interested in the Chakras which, as well as being nexuses of energy in the body, can represent levels of being.

It would be possible to conceive then, of a part of the soul - say the highest part, as in the Kabbalah, passing on and become reincarnated, or dissolved in unity with the Godhead, while other parts linger in a more earthly way.

6th

Sapien wrote:

It would be possible to conceive then, of a part of the soul - say the highest part, as in the Kabbalah, passing on and become reincarnated, or dissolved in unity with the Godhead, while other parts linger in a more earthly way.

Makes sense for me especially with some of the things I've been thinking about in the last few months.

Anyway, if you consider ghosts there is no one type and whenever people try to explain or understand them there are cases that just dont fit in. Echos/recordings, sentient spirits, poltergeist activity, ghost objects, non-"human" spirits etc. No one idea will fit all the experiences.

Aisling&M

I like to think that our family of spirits wait until all have passed over before re-incarnating. Cyclical.

Fandyfan

thanks Sapien, that was very helpful!

Carrigart Exile

Not sure in anyone caught a BBC programme about 6 months ago about a 5 years old boy from Glasgow who kept telling his mum that she wasn't his real mother, that he had lived in Barra (one of teh Scottish Islands) with his family (named them) until his death. The programme followed the wee boy on his visit to Barra, to find he had been almost 99% accurate with his description of his previous name, where he lived, who he played with etc. Now, here' where this ramble is going: the family were aided by a US University Professor who has studied over 200,000 of these cases with a very interesting consistency in almost all of the cases, their description of death and rebirth. Children living thousands of miles apart all gave the same description for what happened to them. They met 'God' who told them they were going back and they were placed into a brightly lit hole and reborn.

hiorta

Firstly, may I say that a psychic and a medium are not the same.

Briefly, a psychic is aware of our own personal energy, the aura, which carries energy information about us, people and events close to us at that time.

A medium has all of these abilities, but in addition can register deceased folk in the immediate next phase of Being, who usually have a bond of love with the sitter. It is from them that the medium is given whatever information they are able to impart and also what the medium is able to pick up, which is relayed to the sitter.

A medium can work psychically, but a psychic cannot work mediumistically. Although there is no clear dividing line, the division seems to be strongly associated with individual Spiritual status - but that would be far too simple an explanation, however.

Mediums and psychics are like plumbers, lawyers and candlestick-makers - some are more adept than others. Experience, ability and the desire to be of help to others (well, maybe not lawyers) all play a part in the quality of work delivered, as does the personal maturity and motive of the medium

Spirits are simply those who have passed into their next phase of the same life, whose new bodies now vibrate at a quicker rate - usually - than before and are fully conscious of who they are and were, with full knowledge of their loved ones who are grieving.
This may cause some distress and the freed soul tries to make their presence felt to try to dry the unnecessary tears.

A very difficult task, as the mourner is often surrounded by clouds of heavy grief, perhaps remorse and regret, impossible to penetrate while these conditions apply.

The easier method is by generating a scent associated with themselves such as a particular tobacco, perfume or a favourite flower.
Other scents too - a farmer would relay his own 'pong', as would other individuals. It is only an attempt to indicate that they still exist.
Sadly though the scent, while recognised, is often dismissed as imaginary, due to faulty and inaccurate religious teaching.
The scents can be accompanied by recalled images of events or places, songs and tunes running through the mind, especially as we waken and if these do not penetrate our fog, then dreams may be employed.
Alas, all efforts are in vain, sometimes.

All life, not just the human, survives physical death, evolving according to the Divine plan, but modified, positively or negatively, by our own life choices. Basically, were they selfish or altruistic, did we do as we wished to be done by, how well and how often did we achieve the highest we were capable of.


We are known by the Higher Worlds exactly as we are and not as we try to present ourselves. There are NO secrets, we are seen for what we made ourselves into, as we think and as we do.

This will be our 'judgement day' when we pass over, carried out by the most stern assessor of all - ourselves.
We must measure our life's actual performance against our life's potential, using the very same gentleness or harshness we judged others by.

Dave!

That doesn't sound too nice, hiorta.

ladybirdirl

Why do you say that DaveMcG - I think it sounds quite apt actually?

Ladybird

stevenmu

I was of the impression, altough I'm not sure why, that a fairly common idea about reincarnation was that spirits choose to incarnate at particular times to learn particular lessons. Or that they may choose to incarnate at a particular time/place to be close to someone else and to help them out, or as the case may be to remain un-incarnated, again to watch over someone and help them along.

stormkeeper

ladybirdirl wrote:

Why do you say that DaveMcG - I think it sounds quite apt actually?

Ladybird

I think it's pretty apt as well.

I'm also reminded of the old phrase that we're our own worst critic.

ladybirdirl

stormkeeper wrote:

I'm also reminded of the old phrase that we're our own worst critic.

I'm with you Stormkeeper;)

Ladybird

stevenmu

I agree completely, I know I can be pretty hard on myself when I screw, which unfortunatly happens way too often.

stormkeeper

stevenmu wrote:

I agree completely, I know I can be pretty hard on myself when I screw, which unfortunatly happens way too often.

Yeah, I'm exactly the same way... I've beaten myself up badly in the past for things I've messed up with. Something tells me there's a degree of self-esteem issues going on there.

I also get quite panicky over the tiniest screwup as well, and I've suspected for a long time that I have General Anxiety Disorder, which doesn't help matters at all.

ladybirdirl

Awwww

Hugs Stormkeeper;)

LB

stormkeeper

Thanks *hugs back*


One thing I've noticed as well is that your past experiences tend to affect you in a profound way, so if you were picked on, you end up having low self esteem, and you're quicker to blame yourself for things. It can be hard to shake stuff like that off. Experiences can have a profound (be it good or bad) effect on people... some are short-term, but others are longer term, meaning that it can sometimes be harder to shake it off... ie: Say you used to love climbing trees, but you fell off a tree one day from a fair height, and broke your leg, and as a result, you're now afraid of heights.

Thinking about it as well, this ties into psychic/medium ability... considering a lot of people (or even everyone) have the ability, although some don't embrace it, due to disbelief, fear of it, or lack of confidance in your abilities. Coincidentally, I'll be going to a spiritualist church on Friday... was told that the medium going there is meant to be quite good, so I'll see what he's like. The lady who seemed to be in charge of it was lovely, and what I might actually do is go more often, just to get a better idea of what a SC is all about, as I have to admit, I am curious now... especially as they never had any in Ireland.