Some Strange hands

Macspower

Hand 1 : the tripple DONK....

this is a new one on me.... villan can only be described as Malogen (now there's a word!!! but it sprung to mind when i was looking how to describe this guy)....

When I sat down the table was playing strange... some decent regs were open limping and calling this guy light and he was cleaning up winning showdowns with middle pair etc etc... I took a pot off him a while ago after he called my river bet with TP no kicker to nearly double me ( I had 2pr)

blinds 50/1 stacks me 220 villan 480 his stats 72/0/2.3/55

He limps as per usual from the CO and I have AhKh on the button.
Hero raises to 5 from the button
Villan calls from the CO
flop 8h5h3s
Villan leads for 1
Hero raises to 12
villan calls

turn Jc

Villan leads for 1
Hero raises to 35

River 3c
Villan leads for 1
Hero??

Would a raise to 75 be spewtardism? (or maybe a value bet)


Hand 2

same table as above.......

Villan 1 is a pretty decent player stats 22/16/2.2/3200 stack 100
Villan 2 is the real bad player from hand 1
Hero 30/15/1.5 stack 300

Villan 1 limps in mp (unusual for him normally but he has been doing it the last few orbits... trying to play pots with the bad guy)
Villan 2 calls.
Hero calls on the button with 5c6c

flop 7c8cKs

Villan 1 leads for 5 villan 2 calls
Hero???

a) Flat call.... (keep fish in hand)
b) Raise .....build the pot with massive hand
c) fold (retarded)

Van Dice

I just call hand 1, you said he was winning showdowns with middle pair etc,
and I raise hand 2

dvdfan

Hand 1 id just call him too, hes a calling station judging by your comments so take the cheap card and if you hit bet the fcuk out of him. You said he was calling down with MP etc was he showing down with nothing aswell, if not then just call the river, i dont like value betting that river much either way id be more inclined to just call?

In general i hate these minbetters, they get to take a shot at the pot for $1 and it costs you a psb to try and win the same pot so they have an advantage on you and you need to take advantage of their play by betting them hard when youve got a hand and take the cheap card when drawing until their forced to change their strategy when they figure out what your doing and gain and edge over them.

Hand 2, i like a rr here although slightly contradictory to the above advice theres 2 villains in the hand so your happy to build a pot here with a hand this big and if you isolate the fish all the better youll have position on him and take his min bet on the turn and/or hammer him if you hit.

valor

#1 call and scoop alot

#2 raise preflop, $23

dvdfan

valor wrote:

#1 call and scoop alot

#2 raise preflop, $23

Is raising with 56s a good idea against a calling station, if we hit we can still build a pot but if we miss we have little hope of taking it down as a cbet wont work, when we raise 56s from late position its more of a stealing hand than anything else with little showdown value unless we hit a big flop so when it loses its stealing equity it loses its value and so should we not be playing a small pot then?

Or is that a mistake and should read Raise Flop to $23 doh!

BigCityBanker

I actually raise hand 1 (im pretty sure i played this guy earlier). We have taken a very strong line throughout the hand and he may well lay down a 5 here which otherwise he scoops the pot with. I deffo raise here - obv if he plays back at us its an easy fold. I actually think not raising would be a mistake?!?! EDIT to say (altho i think its implied above) - a raise on the river might also convince him that his 22,44,66 is no good at this stage in the hand.

Hand 2 i dont like raising preflop to 23$ (typo surely?) but i dont mind making it 5$ or 6$ as we are on the button. $23 on the flop is fine as its a pot bet.

MAC - u might PM me this guys username? Il look at PT for a similar style hand to hand 1 from earlier. I raised him on the river and he folded.

cardshark202

Hand 1: Just call and don't raise the turn here.

Hand 2: I would def raise pf to isolate the fish if possible. Calling in position here is fine as the fish will probably pay you if you hit. Raising is fine too.

Captain Tom

yeah i just call 1. when he weak lead/calls twice it's just not a good idea to fire again.

RoundTower

Hand 1 just call, I think raising the turn is good though as it allows you to win a bigger pot when you hit and you might be called by worse.

Hand 2 I think preflop is OK, raising would also be OK. Just call the flop.

Hectorjelly

hand 1 definitely just call, hand 2 without the fish its a definite raise, with the fish I slightly prefer a call.

Moneymaker

I'd just call with both hands. If you hit that big draw in hand 2 you'll probably get paid nicely.

Macspower

Hand 1: I just called his third donk bet and he took the had with a 5.... I couldn't help feeling if I had bet the river he might have folded it as suggested by some.... then again he was stupid enough to call this far he'd prob call the river too..

Hand 2 I raised..... Villan 1 pushed all in and scared the fish... I filled the str8 on the turn and the flush on the river... he showed a set of 7's..... Cant help feeling that I could have brought the fish along for the ride but I suppose I can't complain..

Thanks for advice guys

Mac

valor

cardshark202 wrote:

Hand 1: Just call and don't raise the turn here.

I like the turn raise because stacks are nice and deep, I want to build teh pot, he might also fold a weak pair

bottom feeder

Macspower wrote:

Hand 1: I just called his third donk bet and he took the had with a 5.... I couldn't help feeling if I had bet the river he might have folded it as suggested by some.... then again he was stupid enough to call this far he'd prob call the river too..

dot

Macspower wrote:

Hand 2 I raised..... Villan 1 pushed all in and scared the fish... I filled the str8 on the turn and the flush on the river... he showed a set of 7's..... Cant help feeling that I could have brought the fish along for the ride but I suppose I can't complain..

Very nice hand Paul, yeah would have been nice to get the Fcuktard in the hand and crush him like the bug he is....

BigCityBanker

anyone care to elaborate as to why not betting the river is the correct line against the donkey in hand 1?

Moro Man

BigCityBanker wrote:

anyone care to elaborate as to why not betting the river is the correct line against the donkey in hand 1?

He'll probably only call with a hand that beats you

Van Dice

BigCityBanker wrote:

anyone care to elaborate as to why not betting the river is the correct line against the donkey in hand 1?

Cos he's an idiot calling station, and you aren't going to get him to fold pairs over half the time