A few Questions

vale

Hi I am considering doing Law/Law and French in Trinity College and want to ask a few questions if you don't mind answering them?


1) What are the points for the two courses last year?

2) Is it hard to do French with Law?

3) Is it possible to do Law and French and meet the requirments for the bar exam?

4) Would it be better to do Law at Trinity or in UCD. Considering location, facilities and course content.

5) Is the college predominately dubs?

Thanks

ApeXaviour

vale wrote:

Hi I am considering doing Law/Law and French in Trinity College and want to ask a few questions if you don't mind answering them?

You're questions seem kind of vague, I'll try answer them though.

1) What are the points for the two courses last year?

You can find that out on the cao website: http://www.cao.ie/index.php?page=points

2) Is it hard to do French with Law?

That's a subjective question, one I couldn't answer. I met three girls once on a nitelink who studied it. They seemed to think it was okay. It's arts, how hard could it be?

3) Is it possible to do Law and French and meet the requirments for the bar exam?

The bar, as in to be a barrister, requires a further year at the King's Inn:
http://www.kingsinns.ie/website/prospective_students/prospective.htm

Or if you're talking about the entrance examination to become a solicitor, it seems you don't even need to have a degree, let alone a law degree:
http://www.lawsociety.ie/documents/education/hbs/map.pdf

4) Would it be better to do Law at Trinity or in UCD. Considering location, facilities and course content.

No idea... Having not studied law, or been at UCD,D. As with most courses, I can't imagine that they'd differ much. They're both approved, so they should give you an equal footing. Choose which place you want to go to more.

5) Is the college predominately dubs?

No.
But I'm guessing by such a strange question, that you're from Cork... Would I be correct?

vale

ApeXaviour wrote:

You're questions seem kind of vague, I'll try answer them though.


You can find that out on the cao website: http://www.cao.ie/index.php?page=points

That's a subjective question, one I couldn't answer. I met three girls once on a nitelink who studied it. They seemed to think it was okay. It's arts, how hard could it be?

The bar, as in to be a barrister, requires a further year at the King's Inn:
http://www.kingsinns.ie/website/prospective_students/prospective.htm

Or if you're talking about the entrance examination to become a solicitor, it seems you don't even need to have a degree, let alone a law degree:
http://www.lawsociety.ie/documents/education/hbs/map.pdf


No idea... Having not studied law, or been at UCD,D. As with most courses, I can't imagine that they'd differ much. They're both approved, so they should give you an equal footing. Choose which place you want to go to more.


No.
But I'm guessing by such a strange question, that you're from Cork... Would I be correct?

Thank you. Does anyone who has done either course have anything to say?
Yes I'm from Cork but not the city and proud of it. Up d Rebels!

xeduCat

Hi,

I'm a PhD student but I'm a graduate of the Law degree (without language) and teach tutorials to both law and law & language students. Feel free to contact me directly or to respond here.

2) Is it hard to do French with Law?

Mixed - some students love it but a couple (there are 10 in the class) do transfer into Law alone - occasionally people go the other way too. There is quite a workload but I'm told that the French components aren't too difficult, just time consuming.

Also, you have a mandatory year abroad, and take fewer Law subjects. This may be a good thing or a bad thing, it's a matter of taste.

3) Is it possible to do Law and French and meet the requirments for the bar exam?

Yes - in a way.

The way it works in TCD is that years 1 and 2 have no options, while in your case year 3 you are abroad (but have choices) and year 4 you choose from a list (but must take constitutional law part 2 in 4th year, although the non-language students do it in 2nd year).

Not all the subjects you require for the Inns, or would like to study with a view to the Inns entrance exams (the Inns has both 'required subjects' and entrance exams in different subjects) or the Law Society entrance exams (no required subjects but more exams), are included in the mandatory subjects. It may be possible to take some of the required or desirable-for-entrance-exam subjects while away, but even with that you will probably find that you must use all your 'options' in 4th year to take required or desirable courses. Of course, if you decide you do not wish to seek an Irish prof qualification, you can just pick what you want!

Also I must let you know that the Inns change their subjects from time to time and further changes are underway.

4) Would it be better to do Law at Trinity or in UCD. Considering location, facilities and course content.

Up to yourself! The content is broadly similar although TCD has smaller classes and UCD is (at least for the general law degree) shorter.

5) Is the college predominately dubs?

From older figures, around half of the entrants to full-time undergrad degrees were from Dublin. I don't think these figures (late 90s, dragged from HEA stats) have shifted all that much, although the overseas numbers have gone up.

Carlow 11
Dublin 819
Kildare 77
Kilkenny 27
Laois 17
Longford 11
Louth 36
Meath 62
Offaly 19
Westmeath 24
Wexford 47
Wicklow 76
Clare 23
Cork 42
Kerry 27
Limerick 41
Tipperary 43
Waterford 9
Galway 38
Leitrim 6
Mayo 33
Roscommon 10
Sligo 23
Cavan 24
Donegal 29
Monaghan 19
N.Ireland 151
Overseas 126
TOTAL 1870

dreambrook

I'm doing Law, the reaction I've had from people who are doing Law and French is basically either you hate it or love it. I've heard some complaints about course structure but I really couldn't shed too much light on that. Out of a class of about 12 there were around 5 drop-outs this year, you're gonna have to really love French law not just French itself.

The course in UCD has a, I like to think, more complex structure.It's a three year course which is shorter than TCD's four year but whereas we take only four subjects a year for the LLB, they take more. I can't really speak for their facilities or lecturers although I have heard that they have a fair few very reputable ones.

Other factors to consider are whether or not you like being in town so much because if you go to Trinity, there is no escaping that...If you have more questions, I'll try to help..:)

vale

Thanks for all your help I think I'll ask a few more...

1) What are the hours for Law + French and Law

2) Is the French Dept. as bad as people say?

3) Which college is better Ucd or Trinity? Factoring social life, societies, Libary ect.

xeduCat

1. Law - 8 hours a week of classes, plus average 2 hours of tutorials a week most weeks, and some other activities/classes at certain times. Law and French - slightly more. Plus a lifetime in the library.

2. No comment.

3. Definitely no comment.

vale

Okay can anyone comment?

No

Unshelved

Okay can anyone comment?

It's too subjective a question. If you're going into your final year in school then take advantage of the open days that both colleges provide - usually they take place in the first week of December. Have a look at the websites and prospectuses of both colleges.

Remember that most of the people posting on this board have attended Trinity ONLY so they're not in a position to comment with any great authority on UCD and comparasons between the two universities.

Basically for any individual your university experience is what you make it - so make a list of what you want from your college, bearing in mind things like size of classes, library, computer facilities, sports and other social facilities and see which one comes closest to your ideal. Then take the plunge!

Sisu

There are a few older threads that might answer some of your questions.

Crash

xeduCat wrote:

2. No comment.

3. Definitely no comment.

fucking Lawyer

for question 3. i'll give you this answer. I love trinity. Its given so much to me over the years. Doesnt make it a great college. doesn't make it a bad college.

Pick your choice on the following things:
1)which course you prefer
2)personal situation i.e. pain in the ass to get to, etc.
3)personal choice - this one can move up the list depending - if trinity is a pain in the ass to get to, but you think its worth it because you like the look of it, then decide yourself whether the trade off is worth it.
4)Booze. how drunk you are when you make the final decision may count.

You may discard the fourth point, but the rest are good and valid