Infrasound and the paranormal

Oryx

Ive just been reading about this phenomenon, and a search of the forum hasnt thrown up anything. Tho I know 6th is familiar from this post.

Apparently, infrasound can cause people to experience physical effects commonly believed to be paranormal in origin. This site gives a little more background.

It was the first time Id heard of this, and I wondered if anyone had more experience of it? (And 6th, did you ever make that detector?)

monkeyfudge

It was actually myself and stoner who were working on building one.

And it's almost ready to go. We hope to test it this week.

We'll definitely have it to bring along on any future investigations.

6th

Yeah fair play the boys built it, now its a case of testing it. Maybe that last place we were at might let us pop in the morning after the party ... we'll be passing anyway?

iamhunted

infrasound defintely has a part to play. as does emf affecting the brain.

6th

Infrasound hasn't really been getting the attention it deserves mainly because of the cost factor involved and the effort that has to go into getting your hands on one.

On a larger scale EMF & InfraSound would be part of an area known as Experience Inducing Fields which have had (to my knowledge) given decent results in lad testing. Of course all this points towards a less than romantic explaination than some people would like which hinders proper research further.

Oryx

iamhunted wrote:

infrasound defintely has a part to play. as does emf affecting the brain.

My question I suppose is do 'ghosts' gravitate towards infrasound as it appeals to them for some reason, while it coincidentally has an odd effect on people, or is it simply the physical effect we feel causing our minds to imagine additonal ghostly communication? Im quite happy to accept that it is all physical, but it wouldnt explain paranormal phenomenon fully to me (as someone who 'sees dead people':) )

iamhunted

we need to understand these things - if its a mechanical device or a ghost - both are interesting to me

iamhunted

KtK wrote:

My question I suppose is do 'ghosts' gravitate towards infrasound as it appeals to them for some reason, while it coincidentally has an odd effect on people, or is it simply the physical effect we feel causing our minds to imagine additonal ghostly communication? Im quite happy to accept that it is all physical, but it wouldnt explain paranormal phenomenon fully to me (as someone who 'sees dead people':) )

its kinda the same question with EMF - do ghosts appear because of the emf fields in the air, or does the emf cause the ghosts in the first place.

everything is a theory until someone cracks upon some proof i suppose

I think the paranormal that we know at present could well be a mix of real ghosts plus infrasound/emf etc. One existing shouldnt mean the other doesnt.

iamhunted

you should google vic tandy .. though i think that taps article covers it

6th

Are EMF and InfraSound bi-products of ghosts or vice versa? I think before that can be answered "haunted locations" have to be tested for EMF & IS.

iamhunted

commercial haunted houses in the states use both emf and infrasound to increase the scare factor.

6th

Personally I dont think its a case of "ghosts" be drawn to either but rather EMF & IS cause people to experience feelings which could be taken as being "ghostly" or that they are a bi-product of ghosts.

Of course when people look for explainations of ghosts and presume there is only one type then they are on to a loser straight away.

To my knowledge EIF & IS can only cause effects such as auditory & visual hallucinations and do not expalin complex visuals (defined forms) and coherant audio.

6th

So do some films I believe (monkeyfudge?) and its called brown noise.

iamhunted

neither would produce evps either, or explain how mediums work.

6th

Well most EVP I've heard is quite indistinguishable and could just be a fluctuating noise. Think of matrixing with a visual and thats what I think the case is with alot of EVP.

Oryx

6th wrote:

So do some films I believe (monkeyfudge?) and its called brown noise.

The army referred to infrasound as the brown note as they thought the frequency would make you empty your bowels. Scare factor ++!

monkeyfudge

6th wrote:

So do some films I believe (monkeyfudge?) and its called brown noise.

It's the brown note and it's an urban myth... It's the one that makes you poop your pants. The brown noise is something completely different.

But infrasound has been used in cinema... most recently I believe in the French movie Irreversible.

Oryx

Moving on from all things scatalogical... Id be interested in being onsite if you guys are using the infrasound detector. I often experience physical effects (dizziness mostly) in haunted sites, Id like to find out if its infrasound related.

monkeyfudge

Well we'll also have an infrasound generator... We need it to let us know if the detector is working.

Riamfada

what about a placebo group where you dont tell them that the infrasound generator is on and see what they report, then send them back without it generator. Or visa versa

Stoner

yeah we have our one ready to go, the problem has been does it work?

It will only pick up a certain db of sound, it was not expensive to build, a lot of the expensive stuff is very sensitive as it is used to spot earthquakes, humans can't hear a lot of what they can pick up anyway.

The unit is working and measuring sound close to that level and may very well measure sound at that level, but monkeyfudge and I need to hook up on 15Hz speaker and test it for sure.

I intend to use it like an EMF sweep, i.e is it there or not, I don't consider that ghost like it or not , just that it is present and that it is established that it can make poeple feel uncomfortable.

Zillah

monkeyfudge wrote:

But infrasound has been used in cinema... most recently I believe in the French movie Irreversible.

To deeply disturbing effect I might add.

Stoner

all we need to check it is for Monkeyfudge to reach out anf call me to organise same, generator ready to go to, just needs that legal software that monkeyfudge has, or we could do it in his studio makes it sound better, we could test the infrasound detector there afterwards

6th

Well let me know when and were and I'll try make it along.

monkeyfudge

Well I'll be over at the studio on Saturday afternoon working on a radio drama, so then might be a good time as I'll have a lot of the equipment set up anyway.

stevenmu

Good stuff on building the detector lads, I wish I could keep that level of motivation up, I'm still planning an EMF one.

The problem then becomes, as was mentioned earlier, do ghosts cause IS, does IS attract ghosts, or does IS simply cause the uncomfortable feeling associated with a ghost.

Out of curiosity, I know low frequency sounds can be difficult for the human ear to localise, but I don't know how much of that is down to a limitation of the human ear and how much is due to the nature of the sound itself. Will your detector be able to track the direction of infrasound if detected ? I'm making a wild assumption here, but I'd imagine that infrasound due to ground movement, underground water flow, or other natural causes would appear to come from all around, whereas infrasound from a ghost may be localised. It would be very cool if you could detect infrasound and then triangulate it to a position in a room. Especially if the source then appeared to move.

Stoner

no it won't be able to do that (track the sound), it's very basic TBH, it's some electronics filtered to pick up 10 Hz and above, it would be no use for detecting an earthquake etc, just stuff that humans would hear if it was at the same db level, but at a higher frequency.

It has outputs for a scope and a mono output that we intend to use to hook it up to the PC, it is very small and basic TBH.