Some Downswing Hands 100NL

dvdfan

Ive went from 5 buyins up the first day followed by a 10 buyin downswing over the last 2 days forcing me to drop back to $50nl as i was underbankrolled and i just want to run a few hands by ye to see if im doing anything wrong or if its just a downswing:
(Other than playing underbankrolled, i had committed myslelf to adding to my bankroll if needed to continue to play 100NL but before i do i want to see am i making bad decisions or just running bad)

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Hand 1:
Villain is 48/16/3.67 over a 200+ hands, sometimes ill make this move with a set or maybe 2 pair on a drawy board like this although i dont think this is the type of villain to take notes:

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($100.50)
SB ($70.20)
CO ($100.85)
UTG ($112.25)
UTG+1 ($109.35)
CO Hero ($116.40)

Preflop: Hero is in the CO with Ts 7s
1 fold, Hero raises to 3.50, 1 fold, SB calls 3.00, 1 fold.

Flop (8.00) 8s 7h Js
SB checks, Hero bets 6.00, SB raises to 12.00, Hero raises to 90.00, SB moves all-in for 54.70.

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Hand 2:

Villain is 16/12/5.4 over a large sample hes a regular and id expect him to be a bit more aggro with a J here although he may be slowplaying it now the 2nd J fell if he thinks i dont have a J. I just hate bluffing as i always seem to get called but as the hand has played out is a Big Bet say $30 on the river against a decent villain a good play here, i just cant see him giving a cheap card on the turn on a FD board, any general comments on the hand?

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button Hero ($93.40)
SB ($212.60)
BB ($123.65)
UTG ($113.10)
UTG+1 ($100.00)
CO ($101.85)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with 6d 5d
UTG raises to 4.00, 2 folds, Hero calls 4.00, 2 folds.

Flop (9.50) 4d Jd 2h
UTG bets 7.00, Hero calls 7.00.

Turn (23.50) Js
UTG checks, Hero bets 14.00, UTG calls 14.00.

River (51.50) 5c
UTG checks, Hero checks

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Hand 3:

Villain is 24/12/1.1 over a small sample, probably results orientated but i just dont see a 1.1 getting this aggressive with less than 2 pair here, its just ive seen these type of hands so often lately getting dogged but is it just because of my downswing or can i ever get away from this. Is there ever any merits for flat calling on such a drawy board or is the All in ok to protect against Tx?


Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button Hero ($98.50)
SB ($95.51)
BB ($105.62)
UTG ($40.00)
UTG+1 ($113.83)
CO ($100.00)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with Js Qs
3 folds, Hero raises to 3.50, SB calls 3.00, BB calls 2.50.

Flop (10.50) 9s Qc Jd
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 8.50, SB raises to 17.00, 1 fold, Hero moves all-in for 86.50, SB moves all-in for 75.01.

Turn (197.51) 5d

River (197.51) 2s

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Hand 4:

Villain is 50/10/3.5 over 100+ hands and hes went to showdown WSF % is 33 which is why i called the flop bet with just 2 overcards.

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($90.80)
SB Hero ($97.50)
BB ($91.79)
UTG ($114.45)
UTG+1 ($107.98)
CO ($103.30)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with Js As
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 4.00, 2 folds, Hero calls 3.50, 1 fold.

Flop (9.00) 9d 6h 7d
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 5.00, Hero calls 5.00.

Turn (19.00) Jh
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 13.00, Hero calls 13.00.

River (45.00) Jd
Hero bets 30.00, UTG+1 moves all-in for 85.98, Hero moves all-in for 45.50

So any comments on hands appreciated

HiCloy

Whats your VPIP out of curiosity?

1. fold preflop. rest is ok
2. I raise flop, and as played I check turn!
3. Hate to see a 24/12/1.1 check minraising a flop like that. you're pretty much always beaten by a straight or set. i just call the 8.50 expecting to fold to turn bets a lot
4. fold flop from OOP, even to this guy

Ste05

1: Fine, actually I like this hand.

2: Firstly, re-load to the max, secondly, against a regular this tight without +100BB's I just let it go, I'd want to be fairly sure he has a big hand or know how he plays to make the call, but with only ~$93 just fold it PF, if you were both 200BB's or so, I'd like a re-raise or possibly a flat call, but without knowing those things, it's hard to comment.

As played, it would depend on history how I'd play it. But I wouldn't have called PF this shallow.

3. Hmmm, interesting spot, I don't think you can get away from the hand, he could have a draw, a lesser 2 pair, etc. etc.

4. Assuming you had a good reason to call the flop, which I probably wouldn't have bothered doing, he seems to have a fairly high TA and so it's unlikely you'll get to see a free turn, once the turn and River fell as they did, I think it's fine against this guy.

RedJoker

Hand 1 is fine although can be transparent to observant opponents.

Hand 2, I'd usually fold preflop but I like to be the aggressor when playing SCs. A 16/12 raising UTG is very likely to have a high PP here, whether he's capable of laying it down on the river is very opponent dependent. I play flop, turn and river the same.

Hand 3, tough spot. There isn't much that calls your flop shove that you beat and a check min raise is often a strong hand. Since it's just a min raise I probably call and re-evaluate turn.

Hand 4, I fold the flop. A raise on the river at 100nl is ALWAYS a monster. I still call the river though.



I had a really bad downswing as well and I'm back grinding 50nl too, started pretty badly but getting better.

dvdfan

HiCloy wrote:

Whats your VPIP out of curiosity?

1. fold preflop. rest is ok
2. I raise flop, and as played I check turn!
3. Hate to see a 24/12/1.1 check minraising a flop like that. you're pretty much always beaten by a straight or set. i just call the 8.50 expecting to fold to turn bets a lot
4. fold flop from OOP, even to this guy

Im 23/16/2.89 over the last 12,000 hands at $100 nl. My attempted to steal blinds is 30% so im pretty aggressive from the CO And Button but fairly-very tight from every other position so T7s would definetely be in my blind stealing range but im not going to building a pot if i hit 1 pair so im looking to steal or hit the flop hard like i did, mistake or not?

Even though im -$180 over that 12k sample heres my positional stats:

Button +$398
CO +$416
MP +$332
UTG +$154
SB -$609
BB -$867

So i think im pretty comfortable playing hands in late position, and even over a much bigger sample at 50NL it was pretty much the same, very profitable in late position, small profit or breakeven or slight loss UTG & MP and very unprofitable in SB,BB. I actually posted a thread before on adjusting my blind play but i didnt really get a difinitive answer wheter my Blinds loss is excessive or not as your obviously going to lose money from them positions.

dvdfan

Hand 1:

Red you were saying its a bit transparent, obviously against this opponent it doesnt matter as he wont know the difference but id do this with a set too and 2 pair but i suppose id never play the straight like this so should i mix in playing the straight like that sometimes?

Hand 2: 65s i didnt actually notice i called preflop when posting that, i remember thinking at the time that his Raise UTG is very likely a big PP giving hes stats so if i hit the flop hard i could stack him, ive since tried to cut this out of my game as although i very rarely do it, i tend to do it more often when im chasing/on a bad run and by the time i do hit the flop hard i will probably have called off a large portion of my stack with no gauranteed return if i do hit so its not an +EV move with stacks this short.

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

Hand 1:

Red you were saying its a bit transparent, obviously against this opponent it doesnt matter as he wont know the difference but id do this with a set too and 2 pair but i suppose id never play the straight like this so should i mix in playing the straight like that sometimes?

I suppose on such a draw heavy board you'd play a set this way but on a drier board I'm very likely to call the raise and let him fire the turn with a set since a b3b appears very strong and will only get action from another huge hand.

dvdfan wrote:

Hand 2: 65s i didnt actually notice i called preflop when posting that, i remember thinking at the time that his Raise UTG is very likely a big PP giving hes stats so if i hit the flop hard i could stack him, ive since tried to cut this out of my game as although i very rarely do it, i tend to do it more often when im chasing/on a bad run and by the time i do hit the flop hard i will probably have called off a large portion of my stack with no gauranteed return if i do hit so its not an +EV move with stacks this short.

I'm not sure what the odds are of outflopping somebody with a SC, I'm guessing there's less chance then hitting a set with a PP. The other problem is that when you do hit, the board will often be very draw heavy and scary for your opponent where as a set is far more concealed.

It's something I rarely do but I've been trying to add it into my game a little.

opr

RedJoker wrote:

I'm not sure what the odds are of outflopping somebody with a SC, I'm guessing there's less chance then hitting a set with a PP. The other problem is that when you do hit, the board will often be very draw heavy and scary for your opponent where as a set is far more concealed.

It's something I rarely do but I've been trying to add it into my game a little.

Here is a good thread from 2+2 on the type of stuff your looking for. I don't know if you will have seen it before as i don't think its in any of the stickys it seems to be one of those great threads that slipped through the cracks.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6996709&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Opr

fuzzbox

1. C.minraise at this level = big hand. Therefore I prefer to use my position and save some money if I dont hit. I call the flop, and try to fill my hand, as he will almost certainly pay me if I fill, and I can save a few $$ if I miss, as he will prolly bet tiny to "keep me in" with his big hand.

2. Preflop is questionable, but whatever. I like a flop raise here with a big draw. The rest seems fine, although there could be an argument for betting the river.

3. Horrible spot really. C/minraise is hardly ever a draw, but it could be some monkey with AQ. What you did is fine I guess.

4. I wouldnt usually call the flop, but once you did, its prolly ok. I think I would bet/fold that particular turn.

Van Dice

Ste05 wrote:

1: Fine, actually I like this hand.

2: Firstly, re-load to the max, secondly, against a regular this tight without +100BB's I just let it go, I'd want to be fairly sure he has a big hand or know how he plays to make the call, but with only ~$93 just fold it PF, if you were both 200BB's or so, I'd like a re-raise or possibly a flat call, but without knowing those things, it's hard to comment.

As played, it would depend on history how I'd play it. But I wouldn't have called PF this shallow.

3. Hmmm, interesting spot, I don't think you can get away from the hand, he could have a draw, a lesser 2 pair, etc. etc.

4. Assuming you had a good reason to call the flop, which I probably wouldn't have bothered doing, he seems to have a fairly high TA and so it's unlikely you'll get to see a free turn, once the turn and River fell as they did, I think it's fine against this guy.

i agree with all of this, you need more money behind in hand 2. I would definitely bluff the river

RedJoker

opr wrote:

Here is a good thread from 2+2 on the type of stuff your looking for. I don't know if you will have seen it before as i don't think its in any of the stickys it seems to be one of those great threads that slipped through the cracks.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6996709&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Opr

Thanks for this. I got about half way through but I'm too tired to finish it tonight, I'll get back to it tomorrow.

cardshark202

fuzzbox wrote:

1. C.minraise at this level = big hand. Therefore I prefer to use my position and save some money if I dont hit. I call the flop, and try to fill my hand, as he will almost certainly pay me if I fill, and I can save a few $$ if I miss, as he will prolly bet tiny to "keep me in" with his big hand.

2. Preflop is questionable, but whatever. I like a flop raise here with a big draw. The rest seems fine, although there could be an argument for betting the river.

3. Horrible spot really. C/minraise is hardly ever a draw, but it could be some monkey with AQ. What you did is fine I guess.

4. I wouldnt usually call the flop, but once you did, its prolly ok. I think I would bet/fold that particular turn.

Yep I agree with this though I would bet the river in hand 2