Need advice on first bike

Wolf07

Hey my names Rob, I'm 17 and planing to save up for a year(maybe)
and by my first bike. what's a good choice any advice that experienced bikers can give me would be brilliant

with my patients i might end up saving €5000 and buy a bike, but i don't know

I'm looking for something along the lines of blue and sporty

like maybe a 'Yamaha R 6 0.6'

but can someone please help me

much thanks to all!!!

Rob

Thinkingaboutit

Get the prov A licence, get certifiable training at one of the training schools/groups (you are covered for training and testing with them as long as you have a valid licence). The real problem you will have is your age. Anything above a 50 cc would be difficult. Applying to a fast test centre like Raheny and getting the full A having done some training with a school will widen the choice.

Wolf07

i checked around I can use any bike from 125cc and under on a Prov, I am hoping to finish school and work for a year so i reckon i'd be about 18/19 before i get the bike, i did some looking around and most people have told me that the 'Fazer FZs600' is a good bike to start with, but unfortunatly its a 600cc , thanks for the help,
i never knew raheny do bike training
have you got a website or phone number i could use to contact them for info.

thanks

rob

Dorsanty

Please god not another person confused about the provisional A restriction.

"A" provisional is not a limit on CC. It's a power and or power to weight ratio restriction.

Therefore the people telling you that a Fazer 600 is a good starter bike aren't lying. A restricted Fazer 600 complies with the law of the land in Ireland. I should know since I have one.

Your only real problem is your age. As not sure about the maths of insurance with 600cc bike and under 25 years of age even with the restriction. Still you are legally allowed to ride one.

Even with a restricted bike, at your age you will be paying through the nose for insurance. Definately get lessons first though, and get your test out of the way as soon as possible to bring insurance prices down.
Take a look in Easons for a magazine called "what bike". It lists nearly every bike available in the UK and Ireland and might help you pick a machine.

Wolf07

thanks for all your help, i know it probably, tickes you all off with all the noobies coming on talking through their whole, but i appreciate all the help, i definitely want to get my test out of the way and have a full licence before making any final decisions, i know insurance is going to cost me an arm and a leg but, the bike is just too attractive to say no. going to check out "what bike" and see if i can even get my mam or dad to take the bike in their name, i might have a chance with an affordable, but thats all talk i have to ring around and find out,
thank you everyone

whats the bike like to ride????

Noelie

you're trying to fly before you can even crawl. you say your budget is 5000, you'll be paying that in insurance alone if you go for a R6. you'll have to settle for something a lot less flash to get your experience.

Just to give you and example. I got a quote for a CBR 600, I'm not sure but i'd say it's the same group as a R6, and it will cost me about €800, I've a full licence, 3 years NCB and am 28. So it's not going to be cheap for you.

Like someone else said start small and move up. A tip would be to pass your test and get a old bike 15 years +, Carole Nash offer classic insurance on older bike and you'll get your NCB up without it costing you an arm and a leg. I'm assuming one doesn't need to be a certain age to get classic insurance, but you'd need to check that out.

Theres no way in hell your going to get insurance on an R6. They are in group 12 insurance with AON, thats the highest insurance group. It doesn't come factory restricted.As far as I know none of the insurance companies will accept you restricting the bike yourself anymore.
OP you are kidding yourself if you think your going to be riding an R6 so soon. As said above, start out on a smaller bike, get training and the full licence. Build up a few years NCB and then go for it.

Wolf07

i kno i feel like such an ejjet for saying an R6!! theres no way in hell i'd get that,
Fazer 600 is what i hope to achive in the end. but your all right i should start out small.
yeah thanks for the advice, i'll look into classic bikes, it sounds alot more realistic than startin with an R6, lol...

Idleater

Wolf07 wrote:

yeah thanks for the advice, i'll look into classic bikes, it sounds alot more realistic than startin with an R6, lol...

Nah,

Get a factory restricted big bike.

(almost) all of the fun for half the price.

L.

gsxr1

nereid wrote:

Nah,

Get a factory restricted big bike.

(almost) all of the fun for half the price.

L.

he would still get screwed by insurance.


I would advise ya to go for a bros mate. or something around that area.

at your age it would be more than enough to get started on. get yourself into the right frame of mind. The fact that ya want a race rep indicates that your going to want to ride fast(or look fast). Which is cool. but you need to learn first. biking is deadly dangerous. You need miles and training first.
smaller machines like the NSR 125 or Cbr 250 are savage at corners. and cheaper on everything compared to the bigger machines.

Wolf07

was checking the buy and sell (just outta curiosity) saw a Aprillia RS 125 for €1,150 and an old Yamaha TDR 125 for €650 i think its a 1993, for that money i assume its in pieces but i could be wrong

what do you all think???

just for the record to everyone, dont worry im no boy racer, i rather kno the ropes before pulling anything mad .. but i just like the "racer" style bikes,

Idleater

Wolf07 wrote:

was checking the buy and sell (just outta curiosity) saw a Aprillia RS 125 for €1,150 and an old Yamaha TDR 125 for €650 i think its a 1993, for that money i assume its in pieces but i could be wrong

what do you all think???

just for the record to everyone, dont worry im no boy racer, i rather kno the ropes before pulling anything mad .. but i just like the "racer" style bikes,

the aprillia is a race spec bike and you will be changing clutches and pistons every couple of thousand km.

The TDR is old and is probably on its last legs.

Ask for insurance on a Factory Restricted bike with AON who are the only insurer to actually take account of factory restriction.

L.

colm_c

Noelie wrote:

A tip would be to pass your test and get a old bike 15 years +, Carole Nash offer classic insurance on older bike and you'll get your NCB up without it costing you an arm and a leg. I'm assuming one doesn't need to be a certain age to get classic insurance, but you'd need to check that out.

I'm pretty sure you'll need your full license and 2 years NCB before they'll give you 'classic' insurance rates, at least thats what they said to me 6 months ago.

Noelie

I was told that you just needed the full licence a year, but at that stage I already had 2 years NCB so maybe you do.

But what the OP should do is get a low grouped bike and build his no claims up and get his full licence, he won't see the years adding up and before he knows it he'll beable to have his choice of bikes. so by the age of 22-23 he could have a full NCB full licence the the bike he wants.

Wolf07

Noelie wrote:

so by the age of 22-23 he could have a full NCB full licence the the bike he wants.

i cant wait for that day thanks for advice

nereid:
iv been hearing that of alot of people, what is a "Factory Restricted bike" and how is it different from a normal bike, is it better for me, or would it really matter??

any thoughts???

Its where the manufacturer restricts the engines power output. This makes it comply with the governments power/weight limit that is imposed on provisional bike licences.
Suzuki do restricted versions of their Bandit 600 an SV650,Yamaha do a restricted Fazer 600 and I think you can get a restricted Honda Hornet.
Some bikes, mostly cruisers like mine come in under the power/weight limit and do not need to be restricted to ride on a provisional licence.

Idleater

Wolf07 wrote:

iv been hearing that of alot of people, what is a "Factory Restricted bike" and how is it different from a normal bike, is it better for me, or would it really matter??

any thoughts???

For the SV, it restricts the engine from 70hp down to 33hp.

Because it is a VTwin though, the torque at low revvs is not impacted as much as a Inline 4 would be, so essentially it is still almost as quick as a non restricted variant, and much quicker than a restricted IL4.

As for being better for you, you have no choice really, you _have_ to drive restricted while on a provisional and for the first 2 years after passing your test.

L.

Wolf07

so do you all think i could get a better deal (insurance wise) on restricted.
so do my test, get a restricted bike and build up my NCB that way,

Nialler24, you said they do a restricted Fazer 600 what would the pice be on something like that, Expensive/ a little cheeper??

nereid: i thought there would have been a way around that "first 2 years after passing your test" rule but i saw that there wasnt (you know like the lads do their 1st prov with a car and don't have a full lic driver with them, ahh well.

thanks to all i feel i know more of what im getting myself into,

much thanks

The bike will cost the same to buy, but the insurance will be cheaper. But bear in mind that even a restricted 600cc bike will cost a good bit more to insure than a 125 or 250cc machine.
Your probably better off getting a smaller machine like a honda cbr 125 or varadero. Build up riding experience,get some NCB, get lessons, do the test and then get a bigger machine. You will gain experience and possibly save money.

Idleater

Wolf07 wrote:

so do you all think i could get a better deal (insurance wise) on restricted.
so do my test, get a restricted bike and build up my NCB that way,

The insurance goes by what group the bike is in. My SV is group 6 as FR and group 11 as full power. The R1 (and probably R6) are group 12

Group 5/6 is about as high as you are going to get insured on. Maybe some dog of a group 8 (something like a big cruiser), but most "nice" bikes - the ones you are mentioning are group 4/5/6.

Group 1/2/3 is for the GN125's and the TDR125 things

Wolf07 wrote:

nereid: i thought there would have been a way around that "first 2 years after passing your test" rule but i saw that there wasnt (you know like the lads do their 1st prov with a car and don't have a full lic driver with them, ahh well.

Nope, no get out clause. Take it like a man and do it.

I mean ffs, at 33bhp and 180kg my sv is developing close on 180bhp per tonne, which means you are a lot faster than a lot of cars. There is still plenty of scope for you to do yourself and others a lot of damage. So perhaps it is best to "take it easy" and use the restriction period to build up the experience sensibly.

L.

Wolf07

nereid wrote:

So perhaps it is best to "take it easy" and use the restriction period to build up the experience sensibly.

no worries ill take baby steps :P, i rather have the experience before taking it up with the big machines, better safe than dead.

thanks for the info

Noelie

If you want the racer look, a cbr 250 is a group 5 if i remember correctly. I've been riding mine for 3 years and am only now wanting to change up.