AA and me, last night at the Jackpot €20

sumoward

Last night at the €20 jackpot game.

Hands that featured AA. As usual comments welcomed.

Hand 1.

I am UTG with AA. I have 12k chips. Blinds are 800. I bet out 3000. It folds to the Big blind Who calls. BB has me covered.
Flop is AxKh8h
BB Checks and I go all In.
Now he calls with Q 9offsuit and I take down a huge pot. I think I got luck to get paid here and should have been more modest on the Flop bet. I was trying to look like I was bluffing and that’s what my opponent told me he thought I was up to. Was my all-in the wrong move

Hand 2

I am on the Button and it is folded to me. I have AA. BB is 800. I make the standard raise for the table 2000. The BB is Big Blind on his own with 9k ish chips. He goes all in. I fold...

....no only joking I call and take it. My question is, as he was BB on his own should I have limped. Did I get lucky with his all-in?


Hand 3

I am SB. Blinds are 500 1000. It folds around to Button who Min raises. For a moment I am suspicious but call with Q10. BB also calls. Flop comes 10 x x. I bet out 7k from a 30k stack. BB folds and Button goes all in. Its another 10k to me and I called. He has AA and it holds up. Should I have Checked the Flop? Having bet out should I have folded to his reraise?

5starpool

Hand 1, bet hard every time if there is an idiot like this to call you. Normally though this isn;t making the best value out of your hand.

Hand 2, fine I think. Sometimes limping might be ok but it can be high risk.

Hand 3, trouble hand. If I call preflop (and I often would not) then I either check or bet less (like 3500). Betting more than the pot is asking for trouble here.

BigCityBanker

sumoward wrote:

Hand 1.

I am UTG with AA. I have 12k chips. Blinds are 800. I bet out 3000. It folds to the Big blind Who calls. BB has me covered.
Flop is AxKh8h
BB Checks and I go all In.
Now he calls with Q 9offsuit and I take down a huge pot. I think I got luck to get paid here and should have been more modest on the Flop bet. I was trying to look like I was bluffing and that’s what my opponent told me he thought I was up to. Was my all-in the wrong move?

lol @ this hand. Even if opponent thought you were bluffing what hand did he think he was beating with Q high? I prefer to bet 4,500 - 5,000 on this flop.

sumoward wrote:

Hand 2

I am on the Button and it is folded to me. I have AA. BB is 800. I make the standard raise for the table 2000. The BB is Big Blind on his own with 9k ish chips. He goes all in. I fold...

....no only joking I call and take it. My question is, as he was BB on his own should I have limped. Did I get lucky with his all-in??

Raise more preflop - 2,400 minimum. NEVER limp here.

sumoward wrote:

Hand 3

I am SB. Blinds are 500 1000. It folds around to Button who Min raises. For a moment I am suspicious but call with Q10. BB also calls. Flop comes 10 x x. I bet out 7k from a 30k stack. BB folds and Button goes all in. Its another 10k to me and I called. He has AA and it holds up. Should I have Checked the Flop? Having bet out should I have folded to his reraise?

fold preflop and deffo fold the flop. your betsize on the flop is bad. You have bet 7k into a 6k pot. It is never advisable to do this. If you feel you must bet here for some reason then bet $4k and fold to the all in - think about what you beat in this hand? Villian has min raised and pushed over the top of you flop bet. Do you think he is doing this with J10 or any 10 with a worse kicker or with a PP less than 10 that hasnt flopped a set. What hand do you realistically expect him to turn over?

Cuban Son

You're getting AA too much- you are rigged!!

Hand 1 - Fine, just ran into a moron... He couldn't even beat a bluff.
UTG raise...etc

Hand 2 - Fine, you got the desired result. You could have limped but might not have gotten all his chips.

Hand 3 - why did you bet out? For info? Did you think you were ahead?
TP bad kicker. You're not beating much. You could have found a fold here to the reraise.
You've over bet the pot and OR has come OTT. Fold and move on.

TommyGunne

Hand 1, fine. You cant realistically bet less on flop without leaving behind a ridiculously small amount, while you can't give free cards on this dangerous a flop.

Hand 2, fine again. Why limp when you've the best hand? May as well get as much money in as possible preflop to be guaranteed the chance to be able to get your chips in on the flop without it being an overbet. 2.5 times the BB fine preflop, especially if he's BB on his own, as the 400 of the SB is missing. If he folds so what? You just get 800 free chips with no risk! It eliminates any possible difficult decisions which leads to easier poker.

Hand 3. While a fold can be found pre-flop, i dont see a call as being terrible, if it is done for the right reasons. You gotta get in there and gamble sometimes. Main reasons for calling here pf is to stack a player whom you know has a superior hand, as you are getting in for relaitively cheap.

On flop you must bet less. As BCB says, 7k into 6k pot is bad. Bet less and fold to the reraise instead of almost pricing yourself into the call. Almost...

sumoward

Thanks for the advice.

I really need to work on bet sizing. My problem here is that I am not comfortable with chips. I cant handle the things as I am bloody clumsy and playing online has made me lazy in keeping count.

I need to keep better track of pot sizes and bet suitably.

In general I will raise 3-4BB when I raise and I have mostly corrected my habit of limping. However my betting after the flop is pretty woeful. Any good rule of thumb?

On the bright side I am consitent if i raise for 4 bb with a good hand, my raise with a stealing hand will be identical.

bohsman

Bet 66-100% of the pot and youll be fine.

ditpoker

nice to get AA twice so quick!

i fudged up an AA hand yesterday against mr.plough. early doors, blinds 25-50 and he makes it 200 for the third time in a row. i re-pop to 900 which is a terrible bet. i knew the pot was raised and i went to stick in what looked like a steal raise and then i realised it was him who had raised it, figuired he'd raised with muck and should have made it 500-600 instead.

as for these hands...
1. lucky to get called by Q9.your bet is fine when it gets called, but you end up kicking urself for not getting more value if villain folds. say he has the flush draw. your all in takes away his odds to call, but u do want the call if he has to pay extra for it.

2. meh, limp has merits, raise has merits. very situation dependent.

3. hand 3 i bet out, but given that you were suspicious of his min raise, when he pumps it you gotta find a fold.

Mr.Plough

yea you were in the sb aswel, you make it 6-700 on the button and i ship it

Captain Tom

hand 1 dont raise so much pre flop. just make it like 2.1k/2.2k.

hand 2 standard?

hand 3 check/call flop and check/evaluate turn. unless he's a nit you're probably too shallow to fold (esp vs a button raiser). live players will stack off with lots of worse hands here.


in the later stages of tournaments you dont need to raise as much pre flop as you do early on as any raise represents a much bigger part of the average stack. you dont need to raise as much to steal the blinds as people cant afford to see flops with speculative hands. in the same way raising to 4xbb+ will lose value on your big hands.

in the early stages just stick to 3xbb+1 per limper. in the later stages 2.5xbb is usually fine.

ditpoker

Mr.Plough wrote:

yea you were in the sb aswel, you make it 6-700 on the button and i ship it

i knew as soon as i made it 900 it was too much. i assume my AA was good!?

Mr.Plough

yeah i had like 68 or something

kryogen

hand 1: is surely a joke? well the opponent is anyway, what the hell is he beating with Q9??? serious hero call that would have been lol..you cant bet and fold so the push is fine

hand 2: dont mix up your raises so much, you made it 3000 with AA a few hands previously from EP and now you make it 2000 from LP?this leads me to believe you raise different amounts based on position and hand strength, dont do that! somebody with a brain will pick up a range based on your raise sizing eventually. but to answer question, always raise here, its expected!

hand 3: since the standard raise on your tabe seems to be 2.5 bb then of course a min raise on the button should probably set alarm bells ringing, but you cant let that stop you trying to bust! with your stack here you should have been able to call and fold the flop, why did you over bet the pot? it makes no sense....