When can you not use a condom!

Kingkong

Typical question.

G/f is on the pill but we both still are afraid it might not work; so I use condoms aswell. We both wud prefer not to use condoms but are unsure of what the chances are that the pill not being effective:eek: .

louisecm

You're never 100% safe but if she takes your pill as instructed and you both get tested for STIs then you're fairly safe. The pill is 92-99.7% effective, depending on which one you are taking. It is unlikely that she will get pregnant but the chance is always there.

I guess it just depends on how willing/capable you are of caring for a child should the .03% happen to you. And it does happen sometimes.

Nevyn

Condoms are not just contraceptives they are barrier protection which help protect you from a range off Sexually Transmitted Infections and Diseases.

If you are considering not using condoms then you should both get an STI screening to be sure.

As for the stats on the pill they will be listing on the brand type your gf is taking and she should talk to her dr.

You can find more information about the oral contraceptive pill and condomes here

http://www.ifpa.ie/contraception/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_oral_contraceptive_pill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_diseases
http://std-gov.org/

Kingkong

Thanks for the posts. Forget STI's isnt a problem for us!

Im more interested in pregnancy and when and why the pill might not work.:eek:

crosstownk

OP - for what it's worth - my wife has been on the pill for more than 10 years, we have two kids, both planned. In all that time we never even had a 'false alarm'. We never used condoms, except when the pill instructions advised - puking, sickness, antibiotics, etc, etc.

I know that that's no guarantee, but it worked for us.

BTW, the brand of pill my wife uses is Marivol (sp?)

sillymoo2007

Kingkong wrote:

Thanks for the posts. Forget STI's isnt a problem for us!

Im more interested in pregnancy and when and why the pill might not work.:eek:

IMO your more interested in gettin yer hole is what ya are!!! STI 's can be undiagnosed for years without any symptoms being present so although physically everything might seem squeeky clean it may not be!!!

seamus

No method of contraception is 100% effective*. However, existing contraceptive methods tend to become massively unreliable due to human error. We're all human and we all make errors. It's generally accepted to 92% effective, but as Crosstown says, things like antibiotics, sickness, and even taking the pill late, will reduce its effectiveness.

There is a moderate chance, through normal use, that you may fall pregnant on the pill. There is a lesser chance that you may fall pregnant using the pill and a condom. Sex comes with that risk, all you can do is lessen it.

Basically decide if you are happy to take the increased risk of not using the condom - would you be screwed if a kid came along, or would you be happy (if suprised)?

*I don't consider abstinence to be a contraceptive method. That's just not having sex.

dudara

If you want to use the pill exclusively then you've got to be anal about its usage. Follow the instructions exactly, especially in the case of any form of illness, or forgetting to take it at the right time.

If you do this, then you reduce the human error factor. You might still get pregnant, but that would be just down to bad luck, being that one in a million.

Kingkong

It wud be interesting to start a poll with wat conceptives people use, Anyone second it?

Nevyn

Any polls started in this forum will be closed and the thread locked.

As for what contraceptives are is use by posters there is a thread on that in
the Sex and Sexuality forum.

Kingkong I would suggest reading the information leaflet that is in the box of the prescription your partner would have and doing some research on line into the effectivness of that brand.

Victor

Kingkong wrote:

Forget STI's isnt a problem for us!

Are you SURE?

Froot

Right to answer the question you asked:

When she is on the pill or is using another form of contraception.

So basically if there is a replacement or equivalent for a condom then you can not use a condom.

You know the %´s and risks and all that sh!te.

spurious

I would have thought STIs are a problem for everyone.

Slightly OT - I was in the chemist the other day and saw a self-test kit for chlamydia - what a good idea.

If you don't want to use condoms, then you'll just have to accept the higher risk of pregnancy using the Pill alone, along with the standard health implications of the Pill of course.

matt-dublin

guys enough of the STI buzz...

the op isn't asking for advice on STIs, he's asking for advice about the pill. Stop throwing up about information that wasn't requested and keep to the point. I see this in almost every contraception related question to do with pregnancy. If he wanted advice on STIs i'm pretty sure he would have asked.

OP:

The pill is a fairly good form of contraception, I have only every heard 1 case out of all my friends of it not working, (recently actually) but we've nicknamed them the most fertile couple in ireland! She follows the rules, and he pulls out before the gun shot. and its about the 3rd time its happened to them now. Anyways they're now planning a life together and building a house!

Another option that would be a little more reliable than the pill would be this fella here: http://www.thinkcontraception.ie/contraception-choices/implant.asp

you don't have to worrk about illness or sickness or anything the only drawback is that it may stop the monthly menstral cyle until its removed.

also here is more information on the pill:
http://www.thinkcontraception.ie/contraception-choices/pill.asp

and information in general:
http://www.thinkcontraception.ie

spurious

matt-dublin wrote:

Another option that would be a little more reliable than the pill would be this fella here: http://www.thinkcontraception.ie/contraception-choices/implant.asp

Similar to that, but over a longer period (so to speak) is the Mirena system, which is very effective for up to 5 years. A plus with the Mirena is that because it delivers the hormone directly, it needs a much smaller dosage than the Pill and so it takes a very short time, once the device is removed for everything to kick in again.

I have one myself, though not for contraceptive reasons - insertion is not the most pleasant thing in the world, but I'm guessing it's better than an unwanted pregnancy.

Nevyn

matt-dublin wrote:

guys enough of the STI buzz...

the op isn't asking for advice on STIs, he's asking for advice about the pill. Stop throwing up about information that wasn't requested and keep to the point. I see this in almost every contraception related question to do with pregnancy. If he wanted advice on STIs i'm pretty sure he would have asked.

Condoms are the most used protection against STI,
this forum promotes safer sex and will always do so.

With the rocketing rates of STI infection in this county and many
STI have no clear cut or visible symptoms it is better to be safe then sorry,
esp as sorry could be having to deal with cancer, infertility and the death sentence that is being HIV positive.

If you are considering not using condoms then get tested.

Many couples will eventually rely on the pill alone, some of them will end up
facing pregnancy scares and an actual unwanted pregnancy.

Do your research inform yourself and make your own choices together as a couple.

matt-dublin

Thaedydal wrote:

Condoms are the most used protection against STI,
this forum promotes safer sex and will always do so.

With the rocketing rates of STI infection in this county and many
STI have no clear cut or visible symptoms it is better to be safe then sorry,
esp as sorry could be having to deal with cancer, infertility and the death sentence that is being HIV positive.

If you are considering not using condoms then get tested.

Many couples will eventually rely on the pill alone, some of them will end up
facing pregnancy scares and an actual unwanted pregnancy.

Do your research inform yourself and make your own choices together as a couple.

Yes you're right, but we're not talking about STIs, the couple are obviously happy with having unprotected sex. There's no need to preech this every time someone asks about the pill. Everyone knows that condoms are dual protection against desiese and pregnancy. But there are pleanty of other ways to catch STIs other than unprotected intercourse.

the_syco

Simple answer: when you want the clap and/or a baby. They protect a lot more than just keeping the wife childless.

kittenkiller

Remember, that you kow pretty much instantly if something goes wrong with a condom, but it might be too late by the time you figure something went wrong with the pill.

Sit down and discuss all your options when thinking of changing contracteption and it mightn't hurt to put your feelings about what to do if your chosen method fails before you commit to something like that.

If having a child with your gf is the last thing in the world you want to do, then it's best to stay on the side of caution, but if it's a case that a child coming along would just be poor timing rather than the end of the world, then you can relax a little I guess.

Kingkong

Thanks for the advice everyone. Its interesting how opinions differ. I have to agree with Matt-dublin abt STI's its a seperate issue. My current taught on the issue is, the increased risk of pregenacy were both not willing to accept just yet.

Nevyn

Have you looked at other ways to use spermacide in conjunction with the pill ?

SingingCherry

Personally, I think if you two didn't look into this BEFORE she went on the pill, or at the very least talked to the doctor about this (and if you did, you obviously didn't listen) then she shouldn't be on it. If you're not responsible enough to even get all of the information before you go on birth control, you're not responsible enough to use it.

passive

If you're not responsible enough to even get all of the information before you go on birth control, you're not responsible enough to use it.

eh... They should still make the effort, methinks. Too many irresponsible people are having kids as is .

Kingkong

SingingCherry you have some nerve, how dare you assume Im not responible enough. Dont make wild assumptions your post is out of order and in my opinion abusive and againist the forums charter