Greystones Marina - Permission GRANTED

The Yipper

Just heard on the radio that permission has been granted to develop the Marina in Greystones - with 13 conditions. I wouldn't even know where to start looking to see what the conditions are.

loyatemu

nothing on any of the news sites, the pleanala website or wicklow co. co.'s site - but they never update their site anyway. Pleanala's site only has decisions up to 27 July.

foxy06

they are talking about it on east coast radio at the moment.

loyatemu

Oh well, I wasn't in favour of the current plan but I can see some of the advantages of it. Can only hope the imposed conditions have reduced the scale of it somewhat. Don't think I'll be lying in front of any bulldozers though....

mikedragon32

I've contacted WCC and ABP to see if they can provide the conditions. I'll keep you posted.

CathD

mikedragon32 wrote:

I've contacted WCC and ABP to see if they can provide the conditions. I'll keep you posted.

Relevant page on ABP website...

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/EF2016.htm

"Decision: Case has been decided, details will not be available before 10-Aug-2007"

Marcais

A grey day for Greystones and a very dangerous precedent which could destroy the Irish coastline. Just when you thought it was safe to back near the water!

These pictures are from the EIS on WCC website. Appalling that ABP would allow this to proceed. See the 4th picture (except they have somehow managed to remove the cliffs and replace with golden sand!)

Greystones Beach Destroyed

East Coast news reported on 25th July that the Bord may have done a deal with the developers. The Bord would not comment and Sispar denied it. A total lack of transparency leaving many questions to be asked.

"The scheme has been approved subject to 13 conditions, including the redesign of roads and re-nourishing the beach from the sea every year.

The public-private development, which involves Wicklow County Council, was bitterly opposed by local residents."

Thanks FG and FF no other parties supported this (and Joe Behan was the only FF'er opposed). No doubt we will hear how good this is for Greystones and how those opposed (i.e 90%+) should just get behind the project and voice no more opposition.

GAN

oh my god, I am so depressed after looking at that fourth photo. You're right, it's a very sad day for Greystones.

postmanpat69

Greystones development given approval

Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:09

An Bord Pleanála has approved revised plans for a controversial €300m redevelopment of the harbour area of Greystones, Co Wicklow.

The board has attached 13 conditions to the plans, which were scaled down by around 10% after the board raised a number of concerns with the developers last year.

The approved proposals include plans for 341 units of apartments and houses, 5600sq.m of commercial space including restaurants and shops, a 230-berth marina, new facilities for local clubs and a new boardwalk. There will also be a new large public plaza.

In relation to an inert landfill, which is on the site, the board has agreed that it can stay, but has ordered that no houses be built on it.

The board has also requested that any materials being used for work that is being carried out around the beach area be brought in by sea, in order to lessen the impact on roads in the area.

Last summer, An Bord Pleanála informed the developers, Wicklow County Council and its private sector partner the Sispar Consortium, that it had deferred a decision on the plans, and sought further information and changes.

This led to the plans being revised, and the oral hearing being reopened in March of this year.

The Greystones Protection and Development Association, which opposed plans for the redevelopment of Greystones Harbour, has said its hugely disappointed with An Bord Pleanála's decision.

Spokesperson, Evelyn Cawley, said the size and scale of the plans were wrong for the area and were not a good fit.

She said the group had hoped for a further reduction in the style and size of the apartment development and redesign of the public space, but did not get it.

She described the 13 conditions attached by the board as of no great significance.

However, a spokesman for Wicklow County Council has said they are pleased with An Bord Pleanála's decision.

He said it had been a long process, which had begun with the compulsory purchase order in December 2004, and had involved two public hearings.

matt-dublin

we all knew eventually this was going to happen.

I like the idea of the marina, i don't like the idea of all the houses and apartments...

and because this got the go ahead, we all know that the shopping centre will get the go ahead to in order to support the marina dev in terms of amenites and job space.

ashmac

hi
just talked to ABP there and there is a section on their site with the revised plans, however (!), it is not working at the moment the lady said she would get on to their IT dept to fix it. in the meantime, she is emailing them to me. i will try and post here when i get them. no reaction from the GDPA yet. i imagine it wont be long.
am

Joliegood

Very sad day indeed for the town. It's hard to accept that the views of the beach and Bray Head will be gone forever. I hope the developers are happy with lining their pockets against the wishes of the vast majority of the town. Shame.

ashmac

ABP emailed me this on request.

future_plans

Despair. I suppose it shows how little influence the normal public has on such decisions. Especially when elected reps are telling us all that they know better. Was down walking by the harbour yesterday and it was a bright, sunny, still evening and it was absolutely beautiful. Now we are losing that. Bulldozers from Sispar moving into north Greystones. No doubt the massive development of shopping centre, apartments and houses by Zapi in Charlesland will also get the go ahead and we'll be all living in the middle of a building site for a few years.

Marcais

Marcais wrote:

A grey day for Greystones and a very dangerous precedent which could destroy the Irish coastline. Just when you thought it was safe to back near the water!

These pictures are from the EIS on WCC website. Appalling that ABP would allow this to proceed. See the 4th picture (except they have somehow managed to remove the cliffs and replace with golden sand!)

Greystones Beach Destroyed

East Coast news reported on 25th July that the Bord may have done a deal with the developers. The Bord would not comment and Sispar denied it. A total lack of transparency leaving many questions to be asked.

"The scheme has been approved subject to 13 conditions, including the redesign of roads and re-nourishing the beach from the sea every year.

The public-private development, which involves Wicklow County Council, was bitterly opposed by local residents."

Thanks FG and FF no other parties supported this (and Joe Behan was the only FF'er opposed). No doubt we will hear how good this is for Greystones and how those opposed (i.e 90%+) should just get behind the project and voice no more opposition.

ps. The application was (inexplicably) recommended by board inspector James Carroll. more details here, middle of page under "News" [url] http://www.pleanala.ie/[/url]

[restrained!] Response from the GPDA on the grant of permission for the Greystones Marina Development

The GPDA is extremely disappointed at the granting of permission for the Marina and apartment development. In particular we are disappointed that none of the concerns expressed by the community of Greystones regarding the size and appearance of the development and the disruption it will cause were accepted by the Board.
The Committee of the GPDA would like to thank the members of the Greystones community who supported our campaign over the last 11 years. We are extremely grateful to all those who attended public meetings, distributed newsletters, collected petitions, raised funds and in so many other ways helped us in our efforts.

The Committee would also like to thank the public representatives who supported us and wish them every success in the future.

The community of Greystones worked very hard to protect it’s most valuable asset and can take great pride in that effort. It is a pity that the effort was without success.

Joliegood

Anyone got an idea when this hideous destruction will begin ?

dubrunner

Marcais wrote:

ps. The application was (inexplicably) recommended by board inspector James Carroll. more details here, middle of page under "News" [url] http://www.pleanala.ie/[/url]

[restrained!] Response from the GPDA on the grant of permission for the Greystones Marina Development

The GPDA is extremely disappointed at the granting of permission for the Marina and apartment development. In particular we are disappointed that none of the concerns expressed by the community of Greystones regarding the size and appearance of the development and the disruption it will cause were accepted by the Board.
The Committee of the GPDA would like to thank the members of the Greystones community who supported our campaign over the last 11 years. We are extremely grateful to all those who attended public meetings, distributed newsletters, collected petitions, raised funds and in so many other ways helped us in our efforts.

The Committee would also like to thank the public representatives who supported us and wish them every success in the future.

The community of Greystones worked very hard to protect it’s most valuable asset and can take great pride in that effort. It is a pity that the effort was without success.

Just accept it and realise progress must happen in every area.

If you had your way, Charlesland would not have been built and we'd all be renting somewhere else.

Joliegood

dubrunner wrote:

Just accept it and realise progress must happen in every area.

If you had your way, Charlesland would not have been built and we'd all be renting somewhere else.


Progress ? Vandalism is the word you should be using.

Marcais

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dubrunner

Joliegood wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

Just accept it and realise progress must happen in every area.

If you had your way, Charlesland would not have been built and we'd all be renting somewhere else.


Progress ? Vandalism is the word you should be using.

Was building Charlesland an act of vandalism on the farmland?

Wiseup and stop whinging. Decision made.

dubrunner

Marcais wrote:

Joliegood wrote:

Jolie, there are some posters on here whose bizarre "logic" would point to them making very good FF councillors and you would be wasting your time engaging with them, with suggestions like "if you don't like it why don't you move" !

Anyway back on topic. I see condition 12 states that:

12 Prior to the commencement of development, the local authority shall establish a locally based liaison committee, which shall act as a forum for disseminating of information on planning and construction work relating to the overall development. The committee shall be representative of the local authority, their consultants and contractors and local community and business interests.

Reason: To facilitate and promote the involvement of the local community in ensuring that the development is being provided in accordance with this approval.

Not sure if this is meant as a joke given the Local Authority's general disregard for consultation with the community. I would hazard a guess that certain members of the Chamber of Commerce will be appointed to this fiduciary position to truly represent "local community".

OK, now can you just leave it Marcais.

As the council have stated, "Decision Granted"

Now go and have a drink or whatever you need to do to drown your sorrows!

Then focus on your next project!

Marcais

Joliegood wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

Just accept it and realise progress must happen in every area.
If you had your way, Charlesland would not have been built and we'd all be renting somewhere else.

Progress ? Vandalism is the word you should be using.

Jolie, there are some posters on here whose bizarre "logic" would point to them making very good FF councillors and you would be wasting your time engaging with them, with suggestions like "if you don't like it why don't you move". You should demand at least a basic level before engaging with someone.

Anyway back on topic. I see condition 12 states that:

12 Prior to the commencement of development, the local authority shall establish a locally based liaison committee, which shall act as a forum for disseminating of information on planning and construction work relating to the overall development. The committee shall be representative of the local authority, their consultants and contractors and local community and business interests.

Reason: To facilitate and promote the involvement of the local community in ensuring that the development is being provided in accordance with this approval.

Not sure if this is meant as a joke given the Local Authority's general disregard for consultation with the community. I would hazard a guess that certain members of the Chamber of Commerce will be appointed to this fiduciary position to truly represent "local community".

Lumbarda

dubrunner wrote:

Marcais wrote:

OK, now can you just leave it Marcais.

As the council have stated, "Decision Granted"

Now go and have a drink or whatever you need to do to drown your sorrows!

Then focus on your next project!

Dubrunner, I suggest you go and have a drink in the Beach House and take a look at the view that isn't going to exist for much longer thanks to this "progressive" development. I for one will be spending more time on the North Beach while I can before it gets destroyed......

Wineman

Lumbarda wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

I for one will be spending more time on the North Beach while I can before it gets destroyed......

I think replacing huge grey cobbles with sand might make that beach a bit more user friendly and more attractive. Having a marina and the biggest public square in Ireland is certainly something to look forward too also. Well done to the planning board for a sober desicion and welcome to the 21st century Greystones!

Hammiepeters

Lumbarda wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

Dubrunner, I suggest you go and have a drink in the Beach House and take a look at the view that isn't going to exist for much longer thanks to this "progressive" development. I for one will be spending more time on the North Beach while I can before it gets destroyed......

Just a thought. But wont there be views from the bars and restaurants planned for the marina? And I thought the North beach was a bit of dump the way it is now.

Marcais

Lumbarda wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

Dubrunner, I suggest you go and have a drink in the Beach House and take a look at the view that isn't going to exist for much longer thanks to this "progressive" development. I for one will be spending more time on the North Beach while I can before it gets destroyed......

Lumbarda, the few soulless people in favour of this appalling abomination would not have the capability of appreciating natural beauty so don't waste your time.

A very symapthetic refurbishment of the harbour was proposed by GPDA but summarily dismissed by lazy FF and FG councillors lacking imagination, taste or decency. A small bit of consideration to this plan and a few amendments and a feasible, financilaly sound solution acceptable to all could so easily have been found.

FF and FG councillors pulled out all stops to push this through including multiple cases of misrepresentation, even going as far as noting the support of fictional groups such as "Greystones Communtity Group" in their glossy misleading litetrature. An insult to all real community groups in the area. They could have used their efforts to poll the community and find an acceptable alternative.

The easy option has been taken a complete destruction of the natural seascape without regard for anything other than a quick fix and maximum profit for Sispar. WCC have washed their hands of their responsibility in maintaining the harbour area and instead have chosen to abandon it to developers.

Lumbarda

Wineman wrote:

I think replacing huge grey cobbles with sand might make that beach a bit more user friendly and more attractive. Having a marina and the biggest public square in Ireland is certainly something to look forward too also. Well done to the planning board for a sober desicion and welcome to the 21st century Greystones!

Do we really need the "biggest public square in Ireland" in what is still essentially a relatively small seaside town? The Victorian Harbour is a huge part of Greystones charm and attraction for many people (and yes it needs refurbishment without a doubt but not complete destruction). Personally, I prefer the look of 19th Century Greystones to the planned monstrosity of 21st Century "progress".... In this case I have to say Biggest isn't necessarily Best and, as a woman, that's not a view I'd concur with very often

Hammiepeters, yes there probably will be bars and restaurants in the new marina but the view will be rather, hmm, how can I put it.....different. :rolleyes:

Wineman

Marcais wrote:

Lumbarda wrote:

Lumbarda, the few soulless people in favour of this appalling abomination would not have the capability of appreciating natural beauty so don't waste your time.

So now you are an authority on natural beauty too. Whether a person is pro or anti harbour I think they are entitled to express their opinion. There is no call for you to patronise people who have a different opinion to your own.

Hammiepeters

Wineman wrote:

Marcais wrote:

So now you are an authority on natural beauty too. Whether a person is pro or anti harbour I think they are entitled to express their opinion. There is no call for you to patronise people who have a different opinion to your own.

With you on that wineman. I am also undecided about the whole project but totally decided against the rabid responses from many of the anti development lobby anytime their infallibility is called into question.

scivvy

FF and FG councillors pulled out all stops to push this through including multiple cases of misrepresentation, even going as far as noting the support of fictional groups such as "Greystones Communtity Group" in their glossy misleading litetrature. An insult to all real community groups in the area. They could have used their efforts to poll the community and find an acceptable alternative.


I wonder are the same FF and FG councillors planning on entering the local elections which are not in the too distant future ??

dubrunner

Marcais wrote:

Lumbarda wrote:

Lumbarda, the few soulless people in favour of this appalling abomination would not have the capability of appreciating natural beauty so don't waste your time.

A very symapthetic refurbishment of the harbour was proposed by GPDA but summarily dismissed by lazy FF and FG councillors lacking imagination, taste or decency. A small bit of consideration to this plan and a few amendments and a feasible, financilaly sound solution acceptable to all could so easily have been found.

FF and FG councillors pulled out all stops to push this through including multiple cases of misrepresentation, even going as far as noting the support of fictional groups such as "Greystones Communtity Group" in their glossy misleading litetrature. An insult to all real community groups in the area. They could have used their efforts to poll the community and find an acceptable alternative.

The easy option has been taken a complete destruction of the natural seascape without regard for anything other than a quick fix and maximum profit for Sispar. WCC have washed their hands of their responsibility in maintaining the harbour area and instead have chosen to abandon it to developers.

Marcais. think you may have muddled up the quotes there....

Anyway what else can you do? Is there a further appeal process available?

If not, why continue whining on this topic?

Mine is a Guinness.

dubrunner

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woodser

Marcais wrote:

A grey day for Greystones and a very dangerous precedent which could destroy the Irish coastline. Just when you thought it was safe to back near the water!

These pictures are from the EIS on WCC website. Appalling that ABP would allow this to proceed. See the 4th picture (except they have somehow managed to remove the cliffs and replace with golden sand!)

Greystones Beach Destroyed

East Coast news reported on 25th July that the Bord may have done a deal with the developers. The Bord would not comment and Sispar denied it. A total lack of transparency leaving many questions to be asked.

"The scheme has been approved subject to 13 conditions, including the redesign of roads and re-nourishing the beach from the sea every year.

The public-private development, which involves Wicklow County Council, was bitterly opposed by local residents."

Thanks FG and FF no other parties supported this (and Joe Behan was the only FF'er opposed). No doubt we will hear how good this is for Greystones and how those opposed (i.e 90%+) should just get behind the project and voice no more opposition.

90% mearseIt is a great day for Greystones the mish mash of what is the area at the moment will have a new focus and heart to it a proper centre not to mention the new harbour facilities.6000 signatures out of a population 23500 check the C.S.O.as the petition counted Kilcoole 200 signatures Delgany Kilmac and Killincarrig as well as Charlesland and Eden gate then I say 23500 and 6000 signatures doesnt add up to 90% on top of that Bray had 600 signatures and I even saw 5 from Finland along with a couple of hundred from the U.K.Thanks to all those who silently supported this project we'll see real progressin greystones and it can take its place amongst the finest coastal towns in ireland.When the new charlesland phase 2 is in place we'll see indigenous jobs asnd services and we will no longer be a satellite dormitory town for dublin

woodser

Lumbarda wrote:

dubrunner wrote:

Dubrunner, I suggest you go and have a drink in the Beach House and take a look at the view that isn't going to exist for much longer thanks to this "progressive" development. I for one will be spending more time on the North Beach while I can before it gets destroyed......

The beach house is sold and will form another development it wont even be there when the harbour is built.:rolleyes:

dubrunner

woodser wrote:

90% mearseIt is a great day for Greystones the mish mash of what is the area at the moment will have a new focus and heart to it a proper centre not to mention the new harbour facilities.6000 signatures out e nof a population 23500 check the C.S.O.as the petition counted Kilcoole 200 signatures Delgany Kilmac and Killincarrig as well as Charlesland and Eden gate then I say 23500 and 6000 signatures doesnt add up to 90% on top of that Bray had 600 signatures and I even saw 5 from Finland along with a couple of hundred from the U.K.Thanks to all those who silently supported this project we'll see any real progressin greystones and it can take its place amongst the finest coastal towns in ireland.When the new charlesland phase 2 is in place we'll see indigenous jobs asnd services and we will no longer be a satellite dormitory town for dublin

Agreed Woodser. The propaganda has niuow gone totally out of control. This will make Greystones the envy of any coastal town across Ireland. Finally we will have a slick upto date/modern plaza compared against any US/European town..........

Wake up Marcaise and smell the coffee and quit the whining.

It's good for Ireland, good for Greystones and good for you.

mikedragon32

Everyone needs to tone down the language here.

Every thread on this subject has spiralled out of reason and this one is heading the same way.

If the discussion can't be kept civil, I won't just lock the thread, it will be deleted and any further threads on development closed immediately or moved elsewhere, probably the Recycle Bin under Sys.

matt-dublin

mikedragon32 wrote:

Everyone needs to tone down the language here.

Every thread on this subject has spiralled out of reason and this one is heading the same way.

If the discussion can't be kept civil, I won't just lock the thread, it will be deleted and any further threads on development closed immediately or moved elsewhere, probably the Recycle Bin under Sys.

do it anyway mike, it will spiral out of control and some people can't keep their heads.

back on topic, im pro harbour, particularly because greystones looks so delapidated and old. The marina and yacht club alone will bring tourism into the town in the form of inshore cruisers stopping in over night, Sailing events can be held there etc etc.

More restaurants, hopefully a few more bars now that the beech house will be gone.

and just give up the whole its going to ruin the irish coast line, cos to be frank, its not. There harbour at the moment is only useable for dinghys and fishing. It needed to be vastly upgraded. If you were really objecting to it because it is going to destroy general amenity you wouldn't have moved into charlesland in the first place.

Hammiepeters

matt-dublin wrote:

do it anyway mike, it will spiral out of control and some people can't keep their heads.

back on topic, im pro harbour, particularly because greystones looks so delapidated and old. The marina and yacht club alone will bring tourism into the town in the form of inshore cruisers stopping in over night, Sailing events can be held there etc etc.

More restaurants, hopefully a few more bars now that the beech house will be gone.

and just give up the whole its going to ruin the irish coast line, cos to be frank, its not. There harbour at the moment is only useable for dinghys and fishing. It needed to be vastly upgraded. If you were really objecting to it because it is going to destroy general amenity you wouldn't have moved into charlesland in the first place.

If the builder behaves responsibly(he probably wont) and it doesn't create too much mess, then I think you have a point. If those vehemently opposed to it, now focus their energy on best case scenario i.e. making sure the thing is kept tasteful. Maybe this result is not the end of the world.

woodser

Well said Hammi maybe this should be the end note to this thread mike locking it now would be a good idea before we have more fractitious comment

Ossie

The decision by the Bord to allow the destruction of the north beach is indeed a very dark day for the people of Ireland. Yet again the civil rights of the people have been usurped by the political classes and their benefactors.

The fact that the Harbour development was embedded into the Wicklow County Development plan in 2003 and in the Greystones/Delgany Local Area Plan in 2006 and the total neglect of the harbour by the council made it very easy for the developers to get it passed by the Bord. Apparently the Bord do not over ride county development plans.

The real villains of this outrage are the county councillors who perpetrated the outrageous material variation of the Wicklow County Development Plan back in November 2003. (Jones, Mitchell et al). Zoning powers of county councillors should now be removed to prevent this outrage happenning again to some other poor unfortunate citizens.



In reality it transpires that the whole EIS/Public submissions/oral hearing process was a total sham which gave the appearance that the planning system is fair and open to public scrutiny.

matti

and just give up the whole its going to ruin the irish coast line, cos to be frank, its not. There harbour at the moment is only useable for dinghys and fishing. It needed to be vastly upgraded. If you were really objecting to it because it is going to destroy general amenity you wouldn't have moved into charlesland in the first place.[/QUOTE]

I am opposed to the harbour development but also live in Charlesland. I have lived in Greystones for most of my life and I love it. The new harbour development is going to ruin it. What I love about Greystones is the little bit of rural beside Dublin! Yes the harbour needs work, but I don't think this scale is suitable. When Charlesland started, I was against it. I tried for 2 years to buy a house in Greystones that wasn't in Charlesland, but couldn't afford it! The difference between the Charlesland development and the harbour is that Charlesland is still a mile outside the village!! Its on the outskirts of the village. Why should we have to give up our 'quaint' village to development?

Lumbarda

Well said, Matti! While I didn't live in Greystones before, it's somewhere I've always loved and it was a long held dream to move here and Charlesland made that dream affordable! I also wrestled with my conscience about buying in Charlesland but at the end of the day it was built on farmland outside of the town and doesn't affect the character of Greystones in itself the way that this development will.

My father spent a big part of his life in Greystones as a child back in the 1920s, he passed away some years ago but I loved the fact that some of Greystones as he would have known it (i.e. the harbour) still exists - not for much longer thanks to so-called "progress"...

I also think it's an absolute disgrace the way that Wicklow County Council have held the people of Greystones to ransom over this issue by not maintaining the harbour and the "it's either this marina or nothing" approach. Dublin Corporation allowed huge parts of the historic centre of Dublin to be destroyed in a similar way in the 1960s/70s in the name of progress (e.g. Fitzwilliam St) - I guess some people have learnt nothing from past mistakes....

Hammiepeters

Guys I think that you are romantisising in you picture postcard view of little oul Greystone by the sea. And lets face it, the town never fully exploited this by way of tourism, etc. We are not really a destination for tourists or conferences that I believe we could have been. our populaion has now doubled in the last few years and it is obvious that we are now to all intents and purpose, an extension of greater Dublin. The reality of the North beach is that it is eroded and covered in dog s**t. Part of the new project is the restoration of a beach not the destruction of one. A private interest may stop the practice of people using it as a dogs toilet. And if I remember rightly, a band of travellers helped themselves to the public car park a couple of years ago. Maybe having private ''vested interest'' is not such a bad thing.

matti

Hammiepeters wrote:

Guys I think that you are romantisising in you picture postcard view of little oul Greystone by the sea. And lets face it, the town never fully exploited this by way of tourism, etc. We are not really a destination for tourists or conferences that I believe we could have been. our populaion has now doubled in the last few years and it is obvious that we are now to all intents and purpose, an extension of greater Dublin. The reality of the North beach is that it is eroded and covered in dog s**t. Part of the new project is the restoration of a beach not the destruction of one. A private interest may stop the practice of people using it as a dogs toilet. And if I remember rightly, a band of travellers helped themselves to the public car park a couple of years ago. Maybe having private ''vested interest'' is not such a bad thing.

Maybe we are romanticising, but so what? Greystones does need work (definitely not denying that) but it has the potential to be a lot more than what is planned. The way things are going, every town in this country will be the same as the next - same houses, same shopping units, same shops. Yes, Greystones will have this great Marina or whatever, but once that is done, the next town will be the victim in the race to be bigger and better than the last. The charm that makes Greystones so desirable as a hometown will be lost. Ireland will be like living on The Truman Show!

JupiterKid

Great. Just what Ireland needs - more development of unsuitable shoebox "apartments" that will be probably by 75% vacant by the time they're completed given the way the housing market is going at the moment.

It will destroy an existing public amenity and transfer it into the hands of private developers. Typical. There will be little or nothing given back to the people of Greystones save for a overpriced "trendy" eatery.:(

Hammiepeters

JupiterKid wrote:

Great. Just what Ireland needs - more development of unsuitable shoebox "apartments" that will be probably by 75% vacant by the time they're completed given the way the housing market is going at the moment.

It will destroy an existing public amenity and transfer it into the hands of private developers. Typical. There will be little or nothing given back to the people of Greystones save for a overpriced "trendy" eatery.:(

Well , as I never felt that strongly about it. This is my last word on the subject. 75% vacant? Don't think so. They would(for better or worse) sell off the plan today. The existing amenity is barely useable and in it's new form will be available for the public to use. Sailors, Boaters, fishermen,etc. A reconstructed beach and public square is to be given back as well as a boardwalk. How do you know that there will be a trendy eatery and that it will be overpriced? Thats it, thank you. I shouldn't really have bothered.

matt-dublin

JupiterKid wrote:

Great. Just what Ireland needs - more development of unsuitable shoebox "apartments" that will be probably by 75% vacant by the time they're completed given the way the housing market is going at the moment.

It will destroy an existing public amenity and transfer it into the hands of private developers. Typical. There will be little or nothing given back to the people of Greystones save for a overpriced "trendy" eatery.:(

Shoebox apartments are now a thing of the past, the law was changed last year on apartment planning and now apartments have to come with more storage and bigger areas capabale of housing families and not just you professionals on the quick buy.

mikedragon32

There is an article on page 14 of todays Irish Times about the development for anyone who is interested. I'll try to post it up from the electronic version later.

The Yipper

Hows the development of the marina going to affect the old landfill site?
if that has to be broken into as part of the ongoing works, i can't imagine what the smell's gonna be like...not to mention all the critters that'll become homeless.
For those of you living in charlesland, the increased construction traffic, which could surpass 20 trucks PER HOUR, will all have to access and exit the harbour area via the new link road...which'll bring it right into your community...but then again, i'm sure all those in favour of the marina on this thread have no problem with that! Superquinn should make a bit of cash with all the extra passing traffic.

Joliegood

There was also a piece in the times stating that there may be a legal challange to it. Can you imagine 20 trucks per hour travelling through the main street to get to the harbour. I was under the impression that they would travel down Rathdown Road (the risk factor to school kids being one of the objections raised). The whole thing is lunacy anyway.

matt-dublin

does anyone know where i can find the most up to date plans for this?