"two lost souls living in a fish bowl, year after year"

BigCityBanker

Some random hands from the 1/2pl in the Emporium. Im not necessarily involved in them all - but i am curious as to the optimum lines.

All thoughts and comments appreciated. Some of the lads at the table please save the spoilers until you have got home from the acquarium, gone to bed and got up again - that should take us to 5pm and give anybody whos interested a chance to reply without results.

cheers.

Hand 1 - Effective stacks 500. You raise JJ in EP to 7, after a few callers the button makes it 40. You call as does one other limper.

Flop 10c9h4c

checked to the button who bets 125

your move? no reads on villian.

Hand 2 - Effective stacks c.900. After a few limpers the CO makes it 15 to go. You call on the button with 9 10o, in typical fashion 7 people see a flop (pot 95)

Flop A 10 9 r - its checked to the CO who pots it for 95? whats your move?

CO is not great imo. Im very confident that he has an A but i also feel A 10 and A 9 are in his pre flop raising range from the CO. Im also pretty sure he will bet almost any turn card strongly.

Hand 3 - Effective stacks 600. Somebody raises in EP to 7, after a couple of limpers you make it 50 to go with QQ. EP raiser and one other call. Flop comes 10h9h2c.

Its checked to you and you bet 125. Am I losing value with such a strong bet or am I effectively semi bluffing here with QQ in this spot?

Hand 4 - Your in the MP with JJ, somebody makes it 10 in mp1 and you call as do a few others. Pot c.40.

Flop comes 7d6d3h. EP raiser leads for 35, you call, button makes it 150. Your action? Button has been somewhat agressive but shown down good holdings. Is folding weak considering how underrepresented my hand is? Edit Effective stacks c. 800.

Hand 5 - your in LP with KK. Effective stacks c.5o0, raises to 7 in MP, villian calls and you make it 25. Ep raiser calls as does villian. Pot 78

Flop 8 5 3r, checked to villian who bets 65. Whats your best line with KK? Am i losing too much value by raising here? Villian is pretty solid.

I call, turn is an 8, villian leads for 150 (i think - may have been 175). Action?

Theresalwaysone

Hand1: I call and see what he does on the turn.Check/Fold to a strong turn bet.

Hand2: Flat call and bet out 2/3+ pot on the turn. If raised then, admit defeat? Or is this too weak? I cant see him re raising the turn with anything that you have beat.

Hand3: This is a question I often ask myself. Interested to see the answers on this one.

Hand4: Nope I fold unless I know Button is capable of such a strong squeeze play with a vulberable hand.

Hand5: Again, I don't know. I never am sure in these situations. I always err on the side of caution and try and take it down now though, KK is still only one pair. Interested to see other replies on this though.

ocallagh

hand 1: how can we possibly comment without stats on the villain. Without stats I fold but if effective stacks were less than 300 I go broke.
hand 2: go broke
hand 3: You can't check. If you bet 125 they prob need a set to come over the top. They have a set a very small % of the time. You defo do not want to slow play QQ against two opponents, so in essence your bet of 125 is a bluff with a very high percentage of getting through and is probably the best course of action.
hand4: ok this hand is interesting. You are ony behind to a set here... but you failed to let us know whether EP called or not. This is important obv.
hand 5: preflop fine. raise the flop. why on earth did u call? You should be rasing on the flop.

thebigmc

Ok this is my first time posting replys to hand histories but these seem to be situations I also find myself in alot too. Any advice on my thinking welcome;


In most of these You're trying to figure out what the best line is with big pairs, whether you should just make the big reraise on the flop and try to take the pot, or is this taking from the value of your hand. When you get to the turn you're left with a big decision for alot of your stack.

Hand 1: I lay down jj here, he's reraised and bet the flop strong, any pair over nines beating you now. A reraise now pretty much commits you so let it go? Calling and checking the turn seems weak and he'll take the pot off you.

Hand 2: I don't think I like a flat call here , reraise and take the pot now if possible, otherwise fold.

Hand 3: Ya I like this bet size, means all draws have to fold and you should win the pot now.
All draws on this board will be quite obvious so maybe betting 100 gets the flush or open ended draw to call with incorrect odds, as long as your willing to lay down if the draw hits? Is this what you mean by losing value?

Hand 4: I reraise the 35 on the flop here, with 2 players behind, calling was questionable, you don't really want this hand to go to a showdown so try and finish it on the flop. I presume the EP raiser folds before you so the pot is now 40+35+35+150=260 With the stacks at 800 and you only having 45 invested so far I think you can fold. Even thought your hand is underrepresented he's made a strong squeeze play and a set is quite possible.

Hand 5: The question is whether or not you should have raised the flop? Ya you should have, now your in a tricky situation.
I can see why you flat called, the ep may also call and you hope to take the pot on the turn. This is not the turn card you want because top pair on the flop is now beating you. Your hand is underreperesented here so that may have encouraged him to bet, but I still think its a fold now.

Mr.Plough

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 1 - Effective stacks 500. You raise JJ in EP to 7, after a few callers the button makes it 40. You call as does one other limper.

Flop 10c9h4c

checked to the button who bets 125

your move? no reads on villian.

you have to have some sort of info to make this decision. even knowing if he is fairly good or bad would help. against a total unknown i lay this down, but then i go back to thinking "this is live cash in dublin". I probably fold without any info though, but i would have some.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 2 - Effective stacks c.900. After a few limpers the CO makes it 15 to go. You call on the button with 9 10o, in typical fashion 7 people see a flop (pot 95)

Flop A 10 9 r - its checked to the CO who pots it for 95? whats your move?

CO is not great imo. Im very confident that he has an A but i also feel A 10 and A 9 are in his pre flop raising range from the CO. Im also pretty sure he will bet almost any turn card strongly.

If hes not a good player im pretty sure he's betting this flop with kk,qq,jj, any ace,TT,99. Your ahead of this range and this could even be giving him alot of credit for the SE, he may show up with other crap such as KT type hands, JQ, etc aswell.

I repot this and get it in on the turn.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 3 - Effective stacks 600. Somebody raises in EP to 7, after a couple of limpers you make it 50 to go with QQ. EP raiser and one other call. Flop comes 10h9h2c.

Its checked to you and you bet 125. Am I losing value with such a strong bet or am I effectively semi bluffing here with QQ in this spot?

I dont mind bigmcs line here heads up but against 2 players i like the 125. Depends on the player but if its your average dublin cash player he'll come along for the ride with hearts or a T so i tank it on a safe turn.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 4 - Your in the MP with JJ, somebody makes it 10 in mp1 and you call as do a few others. Pot c.40.

Flop comes 7d6d3h. EP raiser leads for 35, you call, button makes it 150. Your action? Button has been somewhat agressive but shown down good holdings. Is folding weak considering how underrepresented my hand is? Edit Effective stacks c. 800.

i hate this spot. I 3bet this pf though. As played if ep called, id lay it down, if he folds, ugh i dont know.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 5 - your in LP with KK. Effective stacks c.5o0, raises to 7 in MP, villian calls and you make it 25. Ep raiser calls as does villian. Pot 78

Flop 8 5 3r, checked to villian who bets 65. Whats your best line with KK? Am i losing too much value by raising here? Villian is pretty solid.

I call, turn is an 8, villian leads for 150 (i think - may have been 175). Action?

Usually I raise the flop and shove the turn. As played, I cant see a solid player donkbet the flop with A8 or whatever here givin the pf action. so i think your only behind to 55,33,AA, and 88(unlikely). He could show up here with QQ,JJ,TT, the other two kings. I shove the turn against that range.

ianmc38

Hand 1 unless he's stupid is a simple fold. Sometimes calling and reevaluating turn is ok. Hard to say without knowing if he's able to cbet pot into 2 people with AK.

Hand 2

I would raise to 250 or so and probably fold to a shove.

Hand 3

Is that a joke? Semi bluffing with QQ on a ten high board? Looks like betting for value to me.

Hand 4

I would fold. You have very little invested. if you manage to get your entire stack in the middle you are nearly always going to be drawing to 2 outs or runner runner. Folding sucks and may be nitty but this is a very easy fold for me even though our hand is very underrepped.

Hand 5

I would call the turn bet and probably call any river.

phantom_lord

swimming.

BigCityBanker

phantom_lord wrote:

swimming.

you must be confused or mixed up? do you think im quoting PF here? mistaken! ul, nh.

phantom_lord

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Goodluck2me

BigCityBanker wrote:

you must be confused or mixed up? do you think im quoting PF here? mistaken! ul, nh.

what were you quoting then?

BigCityBanker

goodluck2me wrote:

what were you quoting then?

me.

its a play on words!!

BigCityBanker

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 2 - Effective stacks c.900. After a few limpers the CO makes it 15 to go. You call on the button with 9 10o, in typical fashion 7 people see a flop (pot 95)

Flop A 10 9 r - its checked to the CO who pots it for 95? whats your move?

CO is not great imo. Im very confident that he has an A but i also feel A 10 and A 9 are in his pre flop raising range from the CO. Im also pretty sure he will bet almost any turn card strongly.

I actually just called in this spot for a number of reasons, alot of players left to act behind, and i was confident that he would fire almost any turn card strongly and wouldnt unduly compromise my ability to get my stack into the middle from that point onwards. Anyway the turn brought an A. He potted and i folded. Peter suggested that i needed to be raising this flop to get my stack in there.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 3 - Effective stacks 600. Somebody raises in EP to 7, after a couple of limpers you make it 50 to go with QQ. EP raiser and one other call. Flop comes 10h9h2c.

Its checked to you and you bet 125. Am I losing value with such a strong bet or am I effectively semi bluffing here with QQ in this spot?

I thought this was pretty standard myself but it was suggested that I was losing value with QQ here by betting it? I ask if im semi bluffing as if im put to the test in this spot im generally toast. As niall said its sort of a bluff but with a massive chance of suceeding. This lead me to fabricate the below hand..

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 1 - Effective stacks 500. You raise JJ in EP to 7, after a few callers the button makes it 40. You call as does one other limper.

Flop 10c9h4c

checked to the button who bets 125

your move? no reads on villian.

this hand didnt take place but was sparked from discussion from the above hand. Mickste took an age to fold 88 here. I said I felt he had JJ when if took him so long as I thought JJ would be a pretty standard fold in that spot - unless as Ian pointed out you felt villian was capable of doing it with AK. In short were toast against his range imo. I did not buy into a point of view that if you called pre with JJ that you should happily jam it in on that flop.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 4 - Your in the MP with JJ, somebody makes it 10 in mp1 and you call as do a few others. Pot c.40.

Flop comes 7d6d3h. EP raiser leads for 35, you call, button makes it 150. Your action? Button has been somewhat agressive but shown down good holdings. Is folding weak considering how underrepresented my hand is? Edit Effective stacks c. 800.

I folded - I wouldnt know where i was in the hand on the turn. I felt villian was capable of semi bluffing with a FD but i also felt he was as likely to do it with 45, 66, 77 or 33.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 5 - your in LP with KK. Effective stacks c.5o0, raises to 7 in MP, villian calls and you make it 25. Ep raiser calls as does villian. Pot 78

Flop 8 5 3r, checked to villian who bets 65. Whats your best line with KK? Am i losing too much value by raising here? Villian is pretty solid.

I call, turn is an 8, villian leads for 150 (i think - may have been 175). Action?

I was villian in this hand with 78. I called pre cos I felt i could take it on a low flop if the player who had KK actually had missed overcards. Me hitting my 8 on the flop here was irrelevant to my decision to bet at the pot. When villian flat called and I hit the turn card the rest of the hand played itself from my perspective. KK player was boardsie so he might not thank me for putting this up here! I thought it was somewhat interesting though.

cardshark202

Your thinking seems way off in the 78 hand. You were hoping to take the pot away from 2 players after it had been raised and re-raised preflop?

The QQ hand, you are betting for value, not bluffing at all. You have a big overpair in a live game. I bet three streets for value here.

BigCityBanker

cardshark202 wrote:

Your thinking seems way off in the 78 hand. You were hoping to take the pot away from 2 players after it had been raised and re-raised preflop?

the EP raiser to 7 is the same villian as in the 9 10 hand. When he didnt 4 bet pre i can safely rule out almost any pair from 99+ and once he has checked the flop I can be very confident that he has missed with whatever overcards he has - also an open raise to 7 in this game doesnt really mean a whole load. I agree its prolly a high variance play but i felt i had a decent understanding of bath players involved.