QQ 3betted by a nit 100nl

dvdfan

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($57.70)
SB ($117.42)
BB Hero ($109.00)
UTG ($89.89)
UTG+1 ($96.45)

Preflop: Hero is in the BB with Qc Qs
UTG raises to 2.00, 2 folds, SB raises to 7.50, Hero calls 7.00, UTG calls 6.00.

Flop (24.00) 5c 6c 7s
SB bets 16.00, Hero raises to 40.00, 1 fold, SB moves all-in for 93.42, 1 fold

SB shows

SB is 20/5/2.0 over 100 hands, other villain is 65/15 muppet. As soon as this hand was 3bet and came to me i taught of the KK thread i posted today where i said i should 4bet to narrow ranges but in this case giving his PFR stats AA-JJ and AK makes up probably 90%+ of his range so 4betting is only likely to get him to fold JJ which im ahead of and maybe AK. I didnt see the point and neither of us had any 3betting history up to this.

Then comes the flop and he bets 3/4 of the pot, im not worried about UTG although the flop could well have hit him but i think when i raise on the flop im doing the exact same thing i didnt want to do preflop, fold out JJ and AK, hands which im ahead of and get pushed on by hands that beat me.

Should i just call here and fold to turn bet with the hope of getting a cheap showdown. I was thinking if i 4bet preflop to say $20+ and he pushes i have to fold, if he calls and the flop comes K or A high im in a terrible situation so i definetely dont like the 4bet but i feel the raise on the flop was bad, in heinsight i like call the 3bet preflop and call the flop bet and reassess the turn pushing if i improve and folding if he bets again????

This is in contrast to the similar KK hand i posted earlier where people are saying raise on the flop but i think here it was bad as hes range is clearly defined IMO?

con_leche

The SBs range should be wider since there is dead money money in the pot from the donk bet pre-flop, and they are second last to act.

I would re-pop to 25 bucks here pre-flop.

Flat calling means you don't know where you are, and the donk can call and hit a crappy 2 pair on a flop like that.

breadmonkey

Yeah I think this is tough. Someone with those stats has such a narrow range for 3betting from the SB. Are we calling pf for set value against this guy?

opr

Folding the flop here after you raise is pretty bad. You have to call 50odd more for a pot that will be over 200 so your getting about 3/1.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

118,800 games 0.031 secs 3,832,258 games/sec

Board: 5c 6c 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.726% 57.19% 04.53% 67944 5386.50 { JJ+, AcKc }
Hand 1: 38.274% 33.74% 04.53% 40083 5386.50 { QQ }

Opr

fuzzbox

opr wrote:

Folding the flop here after you raise is pretty bad. You have to call 50odd more for a pot that will be over 200 so your getting about 3/1.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

118,800 games 0.031 secs 3,832,258 games/sec

Board: 5c 6c 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.726% 57.19% 04.53% 67944 5386.50 { JJ+, AcKc }
Hand 1: 38.274% 33.74% 04.53% 40083 5386.50 { QQ }

Opr

Yeah ... but ...


Board: 5c 7d 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.793% 11.31% 05.49% 9402 4563.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 83.207% 77.72% 05.49% 64632 4563.00 { QQ+, AcKc }

opr

fuzzbox wrote:

Yeah ... but ...


Board: 5c 7d 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.793% 11.31% 05.49% 9402 4563.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 83.207% 77.72% 05.49% 64632 4563.00 { QQ+, AcKc }

I did look at this but the guy who raises initially has a huge range so i think his 3 bet range is wider than normal here. Our hand is also pretty under represented here.

I hate rasing and then folding to a push why not just call the flop and fold to a second barrel if your that confident in this guy being so tight.

Opr

dvdfan

Thanks for the replies, he showed AcKc so i was slight dog, But i still think against hes range i should have called the flop and folded to a turn bet as the Raise/fold line is just horrible

valor

god that flop raise is terrible