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MA articles in Metro Eireann

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Magic Eight Ball


    Haven’t had a chance to read them all but seem cool.
    I think some of the things he said about Tae Kwon Do was a little.. well Stupid.
    TKD needs to get rid of the ‘wired myths’? board breaking and leave patterns behind?? :eek:

    Suppose a WFT class would have suited his personality better.. ;)

    Had to laugh about his description of John Ng..

    Good aul John, he’s an excellent instructor and sound bloke.. but does tend to waffle a bit sometimes.. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    they're not bad at all. fair play to him.

    vasch_ro and david jones mentioned in the proceedings all very good.

    Apparently the author had dabbled in MT before writing the articles.

    Also it seem the pro-wrestling club in bray also train subwrestling
    might have about pro wrestlers as being incapable of actually fighting, by making it a requirement that members be trained in the all-too-real shoot/submission wrestling style. And that’s what we moved onto next.

    anyone ever rolled with these guys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    I read the MMA one.

    Fair play to him, he sounds like a reasonable reporting. Amazingly, Dave didn't kill him. He likes to hurt people :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭BLUNT


    I looked at the Muay Thai one,not bad but there has been Thai arts taught in Belfast for over 15yrs.Also the myth of the broken class thing aint true,as two Grand Masters ( Ketr Sriyapal 72yrs old & Too Thaiprasert 78yrs old ) both had stated that in all there years learning and teaching,along with being true fighteres them selves,had never once saw broken class on any bound fist ? They also stated that every throw in the Thai arts can be deadly if used correctly.No one would choose to use them,unless driven beyound all tolerance.....as there is so much more than just "Muay Thai" in the Siamese arts and all of these have been taught in Belfast for some time now....keep it real J


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭DITTKD


    Cool, I read the TKD one. I'll read the others for defo, something might catch my eye.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Gorman


    Every article a great read, I loved the TKD one, reminded me of a karate teacher I once had. Constant nit-picking, "your foot is at 50º, it should be 45º", it used to really get on my nerves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭vasch_ro


    Thanks having looking for these articles, the journalist was a friendly guy with a great job and was really into martial arts, plus he gave me a mention !!!:)
    I have to say fair play to him he really got stuck in at NG loughlinstown .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭MaeveD


    Oh dear...the Aikido one is cringe-worthy.... :eek:

    Now if you were wondering why I never recommend his club, this article will give you some idea why :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    I read the MMA TKD and Aikido ones, good read.
    Oh dear...the Aikido one is cringe-worthy....
    The Aikido read like I'd expect a review of any training I've seen TBH. I thought the comparison to pro-wrestling was actually quite good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    MaeveD wrote:
    Oh dear...the Aikido one is cringe-worthy.... :eek:

    Now if you were wondering why I never recommend his club, this article will give you some idea why :rolleyes:

    Good jesus. That's not a great way to intro yourself to a journalist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    Scramble wrote:
    Anyone been reading Robert Carry's series of articles in Metro Eireann, titled 'Martial Arts... For the uninitiated'? I've stumbled across the online versions and I gather that the idea is that every week he visits a martial art from a different country (in keeping with the paper's multicultural ethos) and then reports on it.

    Carry goes in with his sceptical faculties turned on and manages to capture some of the more ludicrous aspects of some martial arts classes.

    The articles on-line:-

    Aikido
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=420&Itemid=26

    Taekwondo
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=26

    Capoeira
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=328&Itemid=26

    Pro-wrestling
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&Itemid=26

    Gakta
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&Itemid=26

    Krav Maga
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=264&Itemid=26

    Brazillian Jiu Jitsu & MMA
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=221&Itemid=26

    Kung Fu

    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=198&Itemid=26

    Muay Thai
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=140&Itemid=26

    Boxing
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=147&Itemid=26

    Hapkido
    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110&Itemid=26

    I've been wondering why my ears have been burning all week! Thanks for taking the time to post up this thread about my lowly column. I've been writing the thing for months without any feedback whatsoever and I was starting to think my Ma was the only one reading it.

    What I was trying to get at in the TKD column, and it's a common theme in most of the columns, is that I'm really not fond of the practices in martial arts that don't make the best use of your time in a practitioner's bid to improve as a fighter (and that's just my own opinion). For me, Kata falls into that category. The 'weird' myths (sorry, that was actually a typo :o ) I was on about where the likes of instructors telling you that you'll break a fighters leg with a flick of the wrist if you concentrate hard enough. Now I know not all TKD instructors will say that sort of stuff but I was basically telling the story of my own experience and the conclusions I drew from it.

    On the Muay Thai, apologies for the error on when it came to Ireland. I'd no idea there's been a club in Belfast for that long. And I know there's a debate about whether or not the glass fists thing happened but although it may not have taken place in living memory, the stories have been flying around for quite a while so there's a possibility a couple of fights were settled that way. That's the beauty of a column - they give writers a chance to be more flexible in the things they say!

    Anyway, delighted that people are reading the column and there's a load more that have appeared in the paper but which are yet to be uploaded onto the website. There should be stuff on Escrima, kickboxing (tiring), ninjitsu (weird) Iaido (ughh), Bujinkan Tai Jutsu (enjoyable), and Kendo (couldn't find the place) up over the next week or two. I'm actually running low on ideas for where to go next so if you know of a style that I haven't covered, which are now all listed, and the classes in the Dublin area then give me a shout. Also, if you email editor@metroeireann.com with any comments, corrections, criticisms or praise your letter will be published.

    And vash_ro, are you the big bloke from the Loughlinstown BJJ/MMA class against whom I had absolutely zero joy when were doing the submittion stuff??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    Double post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    Judo? Coolmine, Lusk and in a couple of weeks Marino and some schools/colleges.

    Tai Chi Chuan in Rathmines (St. Mary's).

    Olympic Wreslting? Lurgan Street (Hercules)

    Kyukushin Karate - Kokoro, East Wall or a club in Killester (I think)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    There's Kyukoshin in Swords too.

    There's also WTF Taekwondo wich is the Olympic varient


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    Cheers for that.

    I just rang up about a Tai Chi class in Dun Laoghaire. I would have never thought of that. I'm going to hold off on the Judo until the term starts and then head to maybe UCD. Do you by any chance know what night the Olympic wrestling is on in the Hercules?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Roper wrote:
    WTF Taekwondo

    The nerd in me always sees "what the f*ck Taekwondo" when I see that wtf anywhere. I don't think I'm ever gonna overcome that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    I don't know what time the wrestling is on it. You can check by ringing Mick McAuley on 8315522, this information is in the Irish Fighter Magazine.

    i think Tai Chi comes in many different shapes and forms and I'm certainly no expert on them but make sure you try the "hard" and "soft" styles. I've been led to believe that tai chi can be that hand waving yoga stuff done in public parks and san shou (similar to Thai) and wrestling (similar to judo) so try and do all of it.

    There's also Silat in Firhourse with Liam which I'd imagine is a fairly "different" martial art.

    Also Wing-chun/tsun/suey , Michael O'Leary has a club in Blanch (same place as the judo club in coolmine leisure centre so two birds one stone).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭StrateBlastJim


    Good to see everybody giving everyone else a shout out.

    As regard wrestling The Shane just informed me that wrestling is on in hercs Tuesdays and Thursdays at 7.30.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭vasch_ro


    Rob Carry wrote:

    And vash_ro, are you the big bloke from the Loughlinstown BJJ/MMA class against whom I had absolutely zero joy when were doing the submittion stuff??


    I am the Garda referred to !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    vasch_ro wrote:
    I am the Garda referred to !

    Small world eh? I have to say, that was a deadly class, great laugh.

    I just got through to Mick McAuley so I'll be wrestling tomorrow evening. I reckon I'll have to pop out to a Silat and San Shou class at some stage aswell.

    Is there much of a difference between Kyukoshin and the Wada Ryu stuff?


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  • Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    worlds apart.

    Wado is quite traditional. Kyokushin is badcore full contact. Check it out on youtube. It's like a refined jackass. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭FiannaGym.com


    Wrestling in Hercs is on Tuesdays and THursdays and weight training on Saturdays for the Wrestlers.

    Prepare to be "man handled" by boys. And I dunno, "monster" handled by the men.

    It can also be fairly tricky to find. The best way to get there is say you were coming from Capel Street, you walk away from the Liffey right to the top of the road, coming to Bolton Street. Take a right, cross the road over to the post office and its the second right. Which is Lugan Street, (more like LANE) and if you walk up there about 50 metres you'll see a big white building on the right with a car park/yard walk into the Yard and at the back there's a corridor you go through to a push button locked door. Thats the club.

    Pretty much the most difficult, intimidating and place to get training in. Once you do though the benifits are pretty massive. I dont train there though haha.

    Peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭O'Leprosy


    Haven’t had a chance to read them all but seem cool.
    I think some of the things he said about Tae Kwon Do was a little.. well Stupid.
    TKD needs to get rid of the ‘wired myths’? board breaking and leave patterns behind?? :eek:

    Suppose a WFT class would have suited his personality better.. ;)

    Had to laugh about his description of John Ng..

    Good aul John, he’s an excellent instructor and sound bloke.. but does tend to waffle a bit sometimes.. :D

    A good, honest account by the journo. I used to train in Exchequer St. TKD. I do agree with the statement " groundless myths around concentrating body strength and suchlike that are associated with Taekwon-Do and some other Asian forms. That stuff just gives martial arts a bad name. You cannot imbue parts of your body with mystical, physics-defying qualities. no matter what people say, Trad MA is not as bad as some make out, Karate, TKD, Kung Fu etc aren't as completely useless as some preceive. Pity he didn't train with Brendan O'Toole, he's a gas man, but boy, can he do the business, and I'm not talking about kata either.

    He rightfully contends that Muay Thai and BJJ are probably the most effective he has encountered.

    As for his (fair) contention that BJJ " In a one-on-one fight, BJJ – as trained for MMA – is basically unbeatable. Even a Thai boxer will only get in a couple of shots before generally succumbing to a takedown and submission. Unfortunately, as a form of defence, this is where it falls down. As anyone who has braved O’Connell Street at closing time will tell you, one-on-one fights are rare. This means that the last place you want to end up if set upon is on the ground with your attacker, because as sure as night follows day a third party will start raining down boots until you let go of his buddy. And then all you can do is curl into a ball and wait for John the garda to come help you. " Well if you get into a scrap on O'Connell St or any street for that matter at closing time, your usually half if not fully scuttered and apart from been James Bond or Fatty Seagull ( Steven Segal) - your well and truly bolloxed :D .

    As for defending your self against multiple attackers, if you got into a street brawl with another guy, and a 3rd fella comes behind him also raining in punches, kicks, grabs you by the neck etc while the other guy is also pummeling you, in the sheer pannick and few seconds you'll have to 'dispose ' of your attackers...... you'll be waking up in the A + E department. If you ever do get into a situation with multiple attackers - RUN.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    There's a few more editions of the column up if anyone is still interested. Here's the lastest:


    http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=565&Itemid=26


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    That article was brutaly honest and i nearly wet myself reading it-:D

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    I laughed- a lot.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Rob Carry


    cowzerp wrote:
    That article was brutaly honest and i nearly wet myself reading it-:D

    Cheers. I've decided that holding back on what I really think about some of these forms is actually quite dishonest and could be misleading for readers. So if I don't like something I'm just going to say it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Rob Carry wrote:
    Cheers. I've decided that holding back on what I really think about some of these forms is actually quite dishonest and could be misleading for readers. So if I don't like something I'm just going to say it!
    Thats the best way to go-then people who choose these arts know what there doing and cant act suprised when they get in a real life situation....

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Good articles, fair play.

    Disaster about the aikido guy :o


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