two Omaha decisions

nicnicnic

Game #5329225604: Omaha PL ($5/$10) - 2007/08/06 - 21:16:35 (DST)
Table "Pictorialism" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: panlan ($1257.86 in chips)
Seat 2: Dlukyboat ($435 in chips)
Seat 3: Shazer ($3323.01 in chips)
Seat 4: Yamoto ($1229 in chips)
Seat 5: BEThoven ($5841.90 in chips)
Seat 6: gul_3 ($2133 in chips)
Seat 7: Greekwolf ($602.17 in chips)
Seat 8: njw82 ($228.85 in chips)
Seat 9: sidsnot ($1185 in chips)
Seat 10: MUSTANG ($1097.15 in chips)
Dlukyboat: posts small blind $5
Shazer: posts big blind $10

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HOLE CARDS

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dealt to sidsnot [7c 9h 5d Jh]
Yamoto: folds
BEThoven: raises to $20
gul_3: raises to $75
Greekwolf: folds
njw82: folds
sidsnot: calls $75
MUSTANG: calls $75
panlan: folds
Dlukyboat: folds
Shazer: folds
BEThoven: calls $55

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FLOP

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[Kd 8s 6c]
BEThoven: checks
gul_3: bets $315


Villain has potted flop twice and folded to raise in last twenty minutes. Whats my best line here

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Game #5329502084: Omaha PL ($5/$10) - 2007/08/06 - 22:00:44 (DST)
Table "Pictorialism" Seat 10 is the button.
Seat 1: panlan ($1792.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Dlukyboat ($1355 in chips)
Seat 3: Shazer ($2913.01 in chips)
Seat 4: Yamoto ($949 in chips)
Seat 5: BEThoven ($5561.90 in chips)
Seat 6: hero ($235 in chips)
Seat 7: Travail ($200 in chips)
Seat 8: njw82 ($173.85 in chips)
Seat 9: sidsnot ($1326.83 in chips)
Seat 10: MUSTANG ($1358.65 in chips)
panlan: posts small blind $5
Dlukyboat: posts big blind $10

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HOLE CARDS

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dealt to sidsnot [3h Kh 9s Ks]
Shazer: folds
Yamoto: folds
BEThoven: raises to $35
njw82: folds
sidsnot: calls $35
MUSTANG: folds
panlan: folds
Dlukyboat: folds

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FLOP

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[2s 3c Js]
BEThoven: checks
sidsnot: checks

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TURN

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[2s 3c Js][Kd]
BEThoven: bets $70
sidsnot: raises to $295
BEThoven: calls $225

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RIVER

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[2s 3c Js Kd][6c]


I figure I'm good here so how much should I bet ( opponent seems a bit of a station )

BigCityBanker

Hand 1 is a fold preflop imo. As played and given your read id pot it.

Hand 2 - I think youve played this very passively from LP. Id 3 bet preflop from LP with this hand, id deffo be betting the flop and then the rest plays itself. If he is a station then pot it on the river - your expectation of a call is high so id guess a pot sized bet has the biggest $expectation in the long run. If i didnt have him pegged as a station id bet 2/3 pot.

(retreats into corner and awaits Round Towers response)

corkie123

first hd i reraise pot here with your hd

second hd i check for pot only as if u bet and he reraises wat u going to do then ? call or fold then ? so i just check with him

bops

H1 - raise

H2 - disconnect from table if it's one of those tables

gl nicholas

Flipper

Fold perflop everytime in the first hand. Where we stand now, it would depend a little on what we think the villain could be raising pre with. If he only ever raises with AA and KK, he'll have top set here a lot. If he is capable of raising with a wider range, you pretty much have to raise here.. He will fold AAxx and AKxx and you might pick up a nice pot uncontested. I'm not too bothered by the player behind you.

In hand 2, I'm not mad about a re-pop preflop here as Noel said. I'd rather play a small one until we're in a nice position to inflate the pot. To some players I'll just check it back but if he's a station, let him call $300 or something. Rest is fine.

ianmc38

Hand 1 - Fold preflop. Kiearn has pretty much summed up the flop decision. I would probably shove.

Hand 2 - Fine. Id just call preflop and I'd vb 1/2 to 2/3 pot on the river.

cardshark202

Hand 1: As has been said fold preflop. This isn't actually a great spot. If you get action after you raise you're against a set/better draw but folding is too weak and calling will often put you in a worse spot so just raise and hope they both fold

Hand 2: Preflop is fine, flop is fine turn is good. He is first to act so I assume he checked right? If so then I would bet about 2/3rd pot or as much as you think he will call given he's a station

BigCityBanker

would nobody bet the flop in hand 2? Given that he raised from EP I cant see how that flop will be one on which he should be willing to continue? Bet the flop and win it there and then? thoughts?

kryogen

hand 1: fold pre flop, you get in lot of trouble with these kind of hands.... as played i re raise the flop here, you seem to think theres a chance he will fold and you take down a nice pot there and then, im not bothered about the guy behind as he really needs a monster to continue if you raise...

hand 2: pre flop is fine, you dont want to inflate the pot yet with your holding, if you are sure your good, and if he is a station i might be inclined to pot it, but i think a bet of $300-$325 has to be called as he has called $295 on turn. but you face a horrible decision if you do bet and he raises!! still if you go with your read that your good here you should get paid for a value bet

BigCityBanker

anybody with further comments on the flop play in hand 2?

Killme00

Hand 2:
Preflop i repump with this hand almost every time.
Also i would definitely bet this flop after it is checked to me. Apart from a king its almost as good a flop as you are going to get with suited Kings. Perhaps headups with this hand you want to extract some value but surely you will get more value by betting rather than checking.

RoundTower

First one I fold preflop but shove the flop. You might actually be favourite over a set depending on his side cards, and you hope to fold out other players with weaker draws.

Second one I bet about 400 and fold to a shove. I usually bet the flop but checking is OK.

BigCityBanker

RoundTower wrote:

Second one I bet about 400 and fold to a shove. I usually bet the flop but checking is OK.

would it be wrong/ a mistake to raise hand 2 preflop?

RoundTower

no only if the guy is very passive pf and almost certainly has AA. But calling can never be a big mistake.