Live Tourney Hand Fitz 40: Help Appreciated

Theresalwaysone

Background: I have been playing a fairly solid game, Raising in positon, C-betting a moderate amount ( not all the time ). I have been calling with my usual range of gapped suited connectors in postion to pre flop raisers and playing from there. Havent done anything too donkeyish and have only pushed with good hands, over pairs ,trips etc

Villain is youngish, foreign, Saw him raise pre, flop a 6 and call down pot size bets with 36o only to pair his six on the river and take down the pot.
Other than that I have seen nothing from him, only that he seems ok.

Anyway

my stack: 11000
Villain: Covers

Blinds
200 400

Villain UTG limps
Second Limper
I raise to 1200 with AJo

Folded to UTG who calls
Other Limper Folds

pot 3400

Flop J 10 4r

UTG Bets 1000

I?

I know this may be fairly standard, but Id like to see what you all thought.

Shadowless

Raise to 3500 and shove the turn?
Given his description I'm never folding TPTK to this guy with less than 30 BB's.
Smells like KQ to me but no doubt I'm way off.

Moneymaker

What Shadowless said. I'm raising to about 4000 there and getting the rest in on any non-scary turn.

mrflash

i would deffo reraise here and see where i am at. regardless of what you have seen from him, and that is not much, he could well have limped with an overpair, so you have to make a nice raise here like make it 4k to go. if he calls that, its time to slow down. no use throwing away your whole stack if you're not sure. i don't think this is a situation where you can call yourself a certainty, i would be happy to take it down now. if he shoves you have a big decision to make, but in my opinion if he shoves, the best you can be is probably level or else he's just plain crazy!

Flushdraw

Preflop is horrible. If your going to play AJo after an 2 UTG limpers, make it at least 2000/2400. This should force out smaller pairs or maybe AQ if thats their limping range. I'd just fold preflop

If he's a tricky opponent, his weak bet could be a trap. Its possible he has 44 or J10s here and puts a small donk bet out expecting you to raise. You landed yourself in a tough spot. I call his bet and hope he checks the turn to you. I wouldnt be a fan of putting too much more into this pot

Gholimoli

mrflash wrote:

i would deffo reraise here and see where i am at. regardless of what you have seen from him, and that is not much, he could well have limped with an overpair, so you have to make a nice raise here like make it 4k to go. if he calls that, its time to slow down. no use throwing away your whole stack if you're not sure. i don't think this is a situation where you can call yourself a certainty, i would be happy to take it down now. if he shoves you have a big decision to make, but in my opinion if he shoves, the best you can be is probably level or else he's just plain crazy!

this is really horrible advice.
to say make it 4K to see "where you are at" is really bad.
so you want him to put half his stack in to find out "where he is at" and then fold on future streets???
and how can you say "regardless of what you have seen from him" .
hands in poker change in value depending on your opponent and the range of hands he plays so how can you disregard that ?
also since when in poker we are dealing with certainties?

as flushdraw said your raise amount is very bad pre-flop.
both limping and folding i think is better than the amount you have raised.

post flop you have two options IMO:
you can raise and call any reraise .

or you can just call and trap him.
i prefer a raise.
if you had AQ and flop was Q high then i would be more inclined to go with the traping option but i think AJ needs more protection here .

Ace2007

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Villain is youngish, foreign

Was he wearing a hat by any chance?

Mr.Plough

raising half your stack to see where your at is so bad

i just call the flop and see what he does on the turn, wanting to get to showdown cheaply.

Saw him raise pre, flop a 6 and call down pot size bets with 36o only to pair his six on the river and take down the pot.
Other than that I have seen nothing from him, only that he seems ok.

calling pot sized bets with 63o is not ok

DEmeant0r

As said, raise to 2,4k pf, that's 4BB + 1BB/limper.

As played I have a feeling we're still good here so raise flop and get it all in on a non scary turn.

Theresalwaysone

Pre flop advice taken into consideration, 1200 was the standard raise at the table, so thats why I did that, and I didnt want to build a big pot with AJ ( raising to 2000-2500) would have left circa 6thou in the middle, then the pot is getting to big for me to fold to anything but a very scary flop is it not?

This player had aslo called all my preflop raises from any position, and Im thinking it was specifically my pre flop raises he was calling because he pushed over the top of me a few times when I c betted and I laid down mediocre to good hands.

He also sometimes would call my c bet and jam the turn. I was getting frustrated at this. It seemed like every time I hit something he hit something better.

Does that change your advice at all?

note: sorry to be adding in extra background now, I was far too tired last nite to write more.

DEmeant0r

Hmmm so he should've been expecting you to C-Bet as usual and then jam it, but instead elected to donk bet? Smells fishy.

But nevertheless TPTK is good a lot of the time in that donkfest.

LuckyLloyd

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Theresalwaysone

OK Pre flop advice noted. I will use that.

Ok so I shoved over the top of him, I dont know why.

Some of me thought I was good. I had seem him call and all in on a q high board with Kq after the raiser had made a big raise pre flopm and pushed blind.

So like Lloyd did I put him on a weaker j or a10, etc.
I thought he would call with these since my push was so overtly large it mite have looked like a bluff.

Turns out he has JJ so see you all later.