Speeding

bnev

Hey all

If you are pulled over for speeding and the garda doesnt mention points or a fine.......just said be more careful.......can i take that to mean i wont be hearing anything more about it?

Or does he not have to mention it at the time?

Thanks
Bnev

jhegarty

bnev wrote:

can i take that to mean i wont be hearing anything more about it?

Or does he not have to mention it at the time?

no and no..... watch the post for a letter in next 6 months...

bnev

My Insurance is up soon, is there any way to find out before they send out the letter if some points have been added, for the insurance.

And is it possible that they would let you go with a warning?


Thanks

Mitch Connor

bnev wrote:

My Insurance is up soon, is there any way to find out before they send out the letter if some points have been added, for the insurance.

And is it possible that they would let you go with a warning?


Thanks

until you get a letter stating you have recieved points, you do not have any points, so you don't need to mention it to your insurance company.

Henry Ford III

bnev wrote:

My Insurance is up soon, is there any way to find out before they send out the letter if some points have been added, for the insurance.

And is it possible that they would let you go with a warning?


Thanks

1/. As Tauren said above.

2/. Possible, but highly unlikely.

Seinas

its looks fairly obvious that he had been let off.....

jhegarty

Seinas wrote:

its looks fairly obvious that he had been let off.....

no , from previous threads on here it seems the guards don't mention the points on the road side, to avoid conflict....

bnev

but I always heard them mentioning the fine "will be in the post". So i'm not too sure why he didnt say anything about that.

He didnt even confirm that I was still living at the address on the licence.

fasty

It's up to you to make sure the address is correct. You're getting penalty points.

Mitch Connor

fasty wrote:

It's up to you to make sure the address is correct. You're getting penalty points.

not definately, i know someone pulled in recently for speeding, and the gard let them away with a warning.

iblis

bnev wrote:

Hey all

If you are pulled over for speeding and the garda doesnt mention points or a fine.......just said be more careful.......can i take that to mean i wont be hearing anything more about it?

Or does he not have to mention it at the time?

Thanks
Bnev

If you got a ticket, it's automatic points and a fine. If you didn't get a ticket... then there's no offence.

Fey!

iblis wrote:

If you got a ticket, it's automatic points and a fine. If you didn't get a ticket... then there's no offence.

WRONG! Tickets aren't always issued anymore, and don't have to be.

OP; you could be lucky, then again you may not be. Nobody on here can say one way or another. The only person who actually knows is the Garda who stopped you.

antodeco

ive been stopped by a guard because I broke a red light. Well it was orange, but still..! He pulled me over and asked why I thought he pulled me over. He then asked was the car my own car or a company car. He then asked how much I paid for it. He then informed that the next time I break a red light to be more careful because it was a nice car and he didnt want to see it getting damaged!

OP, i wouldnt worry regardless. If you are getting a fine and points, theres not much you can do about it now. You are already prepared to receive them. If you dont, then thats a bonus! Better to have a bonus not getting them, then being pissed off because you get them!

iblis

Fey! wrote:

WRONG! Tickets aren't always issued anymore, and don't have to be.

OP; you could be lucky, then again you may not be. Nobody on here can say one way or another. The only person who actually knows is the Garda who stopped you.

So motorists are no longer provided with evidence that the offence occurred when pulled over by an officer?

If so, then your post is just. It's been 5 years since I have got a speeding ticket, I shall shut my mouth now.

antodeco

iblis wrote:

So motorists are no longer provided with evidence that the offence occurred when pulled over by an officer?

If so, then your post is just. It's been 5 years since I have got a speeding ticket, I shall shut my mouth now.

I was pulled over for speeding before (not painting a good picture again!) and the garda advised me I was getting points. He showed me the speed I was doing on his gun, but that was it. Didnt get a ticket or a printout. I did get the points though!

iblis

antodeco wrote:

I was pulled over for speeding before (not painting a good picture again!) and the garda advised me I was getting points. He showed me the speed I was doing on his gun, but that was it. Didnt get a ticket or a printout. I did get the points though!

I stand humbly corrected, my how things change lol. I guess it is greener.

antodeco

iblis wrote:

I stand humbly corrected, my how things change lol. I guess it is greener.

In fairness, they have the handhelds to record everything now. Battery + charging power = more carbon usage then paper!

Fey!

Iblis; just re-read my post and realised I sounded like an obnoxious arse! Sorry.

They did away with the paper trail a while ago; it's come up here a few times, and a friend of mine in the traffic corps confirmed it for me.

Didn't think it'd be nice for the OP to get his hopes up and suddenly get the points.

iblis

Fey! wrote:

Iblis; just re-read my post and realised I sounded like an obnoxious arse! Sorry.

They did away with the paper trail a while ago; it's come up here a few times, and a friend of mine in the traffic corps confirmed it for me.

Didn't think it'd be nice for the OP to get his hopes up and suddenly get the points.

Nope, you were dead right. There's nothing worse than someone posting up something when they don't know what they're talking about. Doesn't help anything.

And it's frustrating when you do know what you're talking about lol. My info was way out of date.

TomMc

bnev wrote:

Hey all

If you are pulled over for speeding and the garda doesnt mention points or a fine.......just said be more careful.......can i take that to mean i wont be hearing anything more about it?

Or does he not have to mention it at the time?

Thanks
Bnev

Only you know yourself what speed you were doing (i.e. just over the limit or well over it), and if it was a somewhat speculative patrol car pull based on an observation of speeding or the Garda actually had a speed measuring device of some description which recorded same. If it was a speed checkpoint, well then anything could happen in the next few months or not. Its at their discretion (even though the road traffic law actually isn't) whether to prosecute or not. If he took your details in a notebook where you had presented your drivers licence and insurance cert, then I would fear the worst.

However, If the Garda did not have anything scientific to substantiate his belief you were speeding well then you are in the clear. If he/she did not mention anything at all about offenses under the traffic law ... blah blah and you were very polite and he told you to be careful in a concerned/caring rather than dictatorial way, then again my guess is also you are in the clear.

Limbo is not a nice place is it ?

bnev

TomMc wrote:

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Limbo is not a nice place is it ?

it is a pain alright.

Just to clear it up, he said he caught me doing between 140 and 150 in a 120 zone for a few mins. He said that I wasnt driving to the conditions(it was raining heavily), which I agreed with. He took the licence and went to his car for a few mins and came back and told me to drive a bit safer in case somebody does something stupid in front of me and I cant stop in time.

He didnt show me any proof of the speed I was doing, but he was in a new 07 unmarked BMW and I dont know if they have any devices fitted to record the speed scientifically.

I guess I'll just wait and see if I hear anything. I have slowed down since though, so either way he did his job!

antodeco

bnev wrote:

it is a pain alright.

Just to clear it up, he said he caught me doing between 140 and 150 in a 120 zone for a few mins. He said that I wasnt driving to the conditions(it was raining heavily), which I agreed with. He took the licence and went to his car for a few mins and came back and told me to drive a bit safer in case somebody does something stupid in front of me and I cant stop in time.

He didnt show me any proof of the speed I was doing, but he was in a new 07 unmarked BMW and I dont know if they have any devices fitted to record the speed scientifically.

I guess I'll just wait and see if I hear anything. I have slowed down since though, so either way he did his job!

Based on that post you will be getting a fine and points!

Hagar

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

If you're going to be driving at 150 in heavy rain you may not be alive when the points are eventually processed.

May sound harsh but the purpose of speed limits is to keep people alive.

Gregor Samsa

Hagar wrote:

If you're going to be driving at 150 in heavy rain you may not be alive when the points are eventually processed.

In all fairness ot the OP, he did say he's slowed down since.

Hagar

Yeah sorry, not really aimed directly at the OP, more a general swipe at the madness of driving at high speeds in bad weather conditions.

mikedragon32

phutyle wrote:

In all fairness ot the OP, he did say he's slowed down since.

Well he'd have to.

Typing at those speeds is very dangerous.

bnev wrote:

He didnt show me any proof of the speed I was doing, but he was in a new 07 unmarked BMW and I dont know if they have any devices fitted to record the speed scientifically.

I don't think there's any need for a scientific device if a Garda had to drive at 150kmph to keep up with you, however these BMWs were purchased for exactly this, so I would imagine they are equipped with all sorts of gear!

Tails142

If I were you I'd be expecting points.

Same thing happened to me, I made a somewhat questionable overtaking maneouvre and got pulled over by a garda on a bike who had been behind me.

Exact same thing as you I think, came over to the car and asked me to stand out, asked me did I think what I did was dangerous, agreed with him because I just wanted to be passive and get off as lightly as possible, he took my licence and asked me to sit back in, went to his bike and was on the radio for a couple minutes. Came back and was all like "Thanks, drive safely in the future!". I replied, "Thank you very much officer!!" and drove away thinking I had got off scot free. Only to get a letter in the post 2 weeks later, 2 points and an 80 euro fine.

I felt very hard done by - the overtaking maneouvre wasnt actually all that dangerous. I only agreed with him because I didnt want to seem confrontational and I very rarely speed too. But c'est la vie. Thought about appealing it but seems like more hastle than its worth so I just decided to take it as a life lesson. Next time though I wont agree with anything the Garda says and see how that route pans out.... probably end up in court.

is_that_so

Even if you do and they are your first two points it will have no material effect on your insurance. In my case it was six months after the event I got the points. and if you don't well it was good judgement on the Garda's part, seeing as it has positively affected your driving and attitude to speed.

bnev

Hagar wrote:

If you're going to be driving at 150 in heavy rain you may not be alive when the points are eventually processed.

I hold my hand up to the speed, it was stupid and like I said either way the garda did his job, I have slowed down since.

I just dont think its fair to not be told(or even get hinted at) at the time that you are getting a fine and points only to get a letter a few days later, if I do. I understand that the garda are trying to avoid confronations and all that, but surely anyone who is pulled over has a right to know at the time, especially if it is the first offence and I don't know the whole procedure.

But thats life, lesson learned.........:o

Vikings

I'm sort of in the same boat now!

Was in a hurry to get to work as I had left a meeting I was in kind of late and was rushing (read: speeding) to get to work on time.

Anyway, got on to the M4 at Maynooth: Garda sitting at the slip road checking cars, let me through without checking.

Drove down the M4 and as I came onto the N4 I hadn't slowed much, pulled on down into Lucan and heard the sirens just as I left the slip road.

Anyway, he showed me my speed on the gun and I gave him my license (not that he asked for it) and he just took a look at it. He didn't take down any of my details and just told me to slow down and take it easy. He may have gone easy on me as I told him I was pushing it to get to work on time, it was 8:35 so I had 20 minutes to finish the trip from Lucan to Blanch (made it in on time though!).

Hopefully i'm in the clear now but if I do get a fine+points in the post I deserve them, the Guard said that 'it would have been 2 points' to me so i'm presuming that he will let me off with it, fingers are crossed.

rowanh

I got stopped speeding on the m50 by an unmarked car. The gaurd said i was doing 150 kms and gave out to me for a while but not in an unpleasant manor, then checked my discs, asked me to produve insurance and asked why i had no nct. Then told me i was lucky not to be getting any points and got back in his car. I was in shock, the one other time i was caught seeding doing 86mph in a 60 zone the gaurd said they are obliged to give a ticket if you are going over 20mph over the limit. I was trying to figure out why i didnt get a ticket, i was only doing about 120 when i was actually stopped, he followed me for several miles, maybe that had something to do with it.

Bored-Stupid

I wasnt stoppeed today but I spotted the boyo with his handheld up on the fly over of the motorway at the drogheda north exit. My car has an English reg and I havent registered it in my own name as I havent has time to tax it. Could I still be traced?I was doing 130kmh (80mph) in a 120kmh (75mph) zone so would I be ok doing that speed anyway?

what_car

Bored-Stupid wrote:

I wasnt stoppeed today but I spotted the boyo with his handheld up on the fly over of the motorway at the drogheda north exit. My car has an English reg and I havent registered it in my own name as I havent has time to tax it. Could I still be traced?I was doing 130kmh (80mph) in a 120kmh (75mph) zone so would I be ok doing that speed anyway?

are you living and residing in the south? have u paid vrt?

princess-lala

if he didnt take your details then you were let off!!!it is very unusual to be let off for speeding though!!

Bored-Stupid

what_car wrote:

are you living and residing in the south? have u paid vrt?

Im living in the south and havent paid VRT yet.Dont have the tax book as yet.
Have I escaped?I have a clean licence so would they take pity on me?

Bozacke

I just had a very strange but similar experience. Late the other night I was heading home on a 100Kph road and I was doing 100 the whole way, but as I was going down hill I picked up speed to about 105-110 and just then I saw the police car in the dark. I immediately tapped the brakes and dropped below 100, but I knew it was too late. As I watched in my mirror he eventually pulled out and turned around heading towards me, but with no flashing lights (it was late an no one else was on the road). He then followed be at a distance for about 2-3 miles while I kept it at about 90Kph. I assumed since it was late at night he might have been observing my driving and fortunately I had nothing to drink. He eventually put on the flashing lights and I pulled over. He said I was going a bit fast, but didn't specify a speed and asked to see my license and asked if that was my current address. When I told him I recently moved he requested my new address and wrote it down on a very unofficially looking piece of scrap paper with all other notes and scribbles on it. He then checked my tax and insurance and went back to his car. He then returned to my car and gave me back my license and just say slow down and he started to walk away. I then called him back and asked "does this mean you are not going to give me a ticket?" and he replied, "I'm not going to give you a ticket, but you'll get one in the post and he left. I tried to ask another question but he jumped in his car knowing I was try to ask him a question and took off.

I find this very strange since he never stated how fast I was going, he followed me for a good few minutes before signally for me to pull over, never gave me any piece of paper, wrote my new address not on any special form just a busy piece of scrap paper and if I didn't ask he never would have even told me I was getting a ticket, he never mentioned anything about the fine or points and other than saying I was going a bit fast he never gave me an opportunity to defend myself. Now I hear when I eventually do get the ticket (with the fine and points) if I try to question it I will almost certainly lose and they will double the penalty for my arrogance for questioning such an unprofessional procedure. Certainly it must be time for a revolution! What can I do???
Boz :mad:

Marcus.Aurelius

Hi Boz,

Very strange experience!! I was under the impression that Traffic Corps had a sort of PDA device on which they wrote the tickets. This sounds more like a member of the standard units trying to get his numbers up for applying to Traffic Corps.

If you were doing only 100-110 kph when he got you with (I'm assuming) a laser gun, it's still not high enough to prosecute for speeding. The fact that he said a ticket was in the post, while not specifying what, is stupid. I would be very interested to see what comes in the post. If your tax, NCT and insurance are all fine, I can't really tell what he would have pulled you over for.

Seriously, your speed was only like 94-105 on his laser gun. I can't see why it would be speeding.

It's fairly annoying waiting, I'd be inclined to call over to the station, ask to speak to the Superintendent or Sgt in charge to complain, that was beyond unprofessional. Hopefully your ticket will be reneged as well. Don't leave it to the court date!!

Bozacke

Maoleary,

Thanks for the reply. I couldn't have been going any faster than 110 in a 100 and I suspect I was closer to 105, do they have a limit or percentage for prosecution, +10%?

Can't call into any Garda station, because he gave me no details, I know I should have at least asked his name, but I was scared and although he was nice, he was very uncooperative/talkative. Since it was at night and I was miles from home, I wouldn't even know the jurisdiction.

Finally, I'm just after finding out if you pay the fine you get 2 points and it's €80, but if you got to court and loose (and it's just your word against them) they double the points to 4 and increase the fine to €120. How is this fair and constitutional, do we live in a communist country, where they bully and intimidate you to accept it. It seems that murders and drug dealers have more rights in the courts than ordinary people!! I know many will argue they want to stop the carnage on the roads, but that doesn't mean they can walk all over our rights! :mad: