Should I have check/folded? Or just a cooler?

Moneymaker

Full Tilt Poker Game #2700849972: $50 + $5 Sit & Go (20594167), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:51:19 ET - 2007/08/02
Seat 1: Sleepy (1,485)
Seat 2: Snow White (1,590)
Seat 3: Doc (1,920)
Seat 4: Happy (1,345)
Seat 5: Dopey (1,270)
Seat 6: Hero (1,900)
Seat 7: Bashful (990)
Seat 8: Sneezy (500)
Seat 9: Villian (2,500)
Dopey posts the small blind of 20
Hero posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
Bashful folds
Sneezy folds
Villian calls 40
Sleepy folds
Snow White folds
Doc folds
Happy calls 40
Dopey folds
Hero checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 8c Qd]
Hero checks
Villain has 15 seconds left to act
Villian bets 120
Happy folds
Hero raises to 360
Villian calls 240
*** TURN *** [9d 8c Qd] [7d]
Hero bets 450
Villian calls 450
*** RIVER *** [9d 8c Qd 7d] [8s]
Hero has 15 seconds to act
Hero bets 1,050, and is all in
Villain calls 1,050
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villian shows [8h 9h] a full house, Eights full of Nines
Hero mucks
Villian wins the pot (3,060) with a full house, Eights full of Nines

Thoughts?

Mr.Plough

i check the river and see what he does

Primewise

All looks ok except the river bet. There's no way he's calling without at least a flush...

Check/call is better, picking off some bluffs, or a bad bet from 10Jo

If your behind you might even lose less this way because he might not put you all-in, he might make a small bet, hoping for a call.

Moneymaker

Yeah, I got a rush of blood alright. I think it was because the guy was so loose and had played almost every hand and made some very dodgy calls. I didn't put him on a set, as he didn't go over the top of me on the flop, on such a drawy board. I figured him for Q9 or J10 or something in that region.

fuzzbox

You played fine. Unlucky river.
Dont go checking here.

johnsheehy

I think the river bet was too much, You didn't do much wrong but when the river came and it paired the board i believe he is only calling with a straight or higher. You were unlucky though because even if you checked he would have still bet the same kind of money.

Captain Tom

river bet is 100% fine. never check there.

cardshark202

River bet couldn't have been any better, anything less than shoving is horrible.

HeeHawsCantona

I push all in on the turn and just take down the pot.
I hate the river - not sure what I'd do there but I probably check - what has he called the 450 with? Yes I think I check and fold to a push unless I have some sort of read.

Mr.Plough

River bet couldn't have been any better, anything less than shoving is horrible.

why?

HeeHawsCantona

cardshark202 wrote:

River bet couldn't have been any better, anything less than shoving is horrible.

Yes shooving here is terrible IMO given the betting in this hand - I've always gone with the idea that you should get your chips in when you were in front - if he has 2 pair I think he will check behind you and most draws in this hand have already hit - the push here is just terrible but I think the original poster knows that already.

Captain Tom

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

if he has 2 pair I think he will check behind you.

which is a good reason to bet. it's unlikely he'll v/bet a worse hand but he can definitely call with worse.

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

and most draws in this hand have already hit

yes so checking to snap off a bluff isnt really an option either.

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

the push here is just terrible but I think the original poster knows that already.

no. this is a really easy shove.

HeeHawsCantona

No it isn't.
But we should have shoved on the turn.

Misneach

You played okay up to the river card 8, the only hand that can really call is one that beats you. Why only bet 450 on the turn when you could have easily made it 900 or so or more....but yet when a card falls that can possibly beat you, you play over aggressively. With the blinds @ 20/40, you can easy check and call/fold a bet, obviously dependant on the bet, a bet of around 450 from ur opponent, u probably call. You still have 600 or so to play with. Its very easy to comment having seen the entire play and say or check/fold..but thats the correct play, just bear in mind in future what kinda hands ur opponent can be calling with, he cud really only have 2 pair or a set on the flop. Its diffcult a lot of the time to accept that ur opponent has a greater hand than you when you have a strong holding, but with the chips you had in relation the the blinds, u cud have easily check folded here and still be in contention. if you are going to continue playing like this, you will be a losing player, especially shoving when the board has paired on the river. Just remember here YOU made the mistake, you should have pushed on the turn and make ur opponent pay extreme odds to hit his hand but yet you push when the card comes??? Have a think and good luck.

Captain Tom

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

No it isn't.

excellent point.

Moneymaker it's probably a good idea to not include the results in your posts from now on.

phantom_lord

Misneach wrote:

You played okay up to the river card 8, the only hand that can really call is one that beats you. Why only bet 450 on the turn when you could have easily made it 900 or so or more....but yet when a card falls that can possibly beat you, you play over aggressively. With the blinds @ 20/40, you can easy check and call/fold a bet, obviously dependant on the bet, a bet of around 450 from ur opponent, u probably call. You still have 600 or so to play with. Its very easy to comment having seen the entire play and say or check/fold..but thats the correct play, just bear in mind in future what kinda hands ur opponent can be calling with, he cud really only have 2 pair or a set on the flop. Its diffcult a lot of the time to accept that ur opponent has a greater hand than you when you have a strong holding, but with the chips you had in relation the the blinds, u cud have easily check folded here and still be in contention. if you are going to continue playing like this, you will be a losing player, especially shoving when the board has paired on the river. Just remember here YOU made the mistake, you should have pushed on the turn and make ur opponent pay extreme odds to hit his hand but yet you push when the card comes??? Have a think and good luck.

he played it fine, at least write some good points if you are going to be so condescending.

Misneach

Sorry, I must realise in future, mug's like you dont have the same in-depth game knowledge as I, my apologies phantom.

Mr.Plough

Misneach wrote:

Sorry, I must realise in future, mug's like you dont have the same in-depth game knowledge as I, my apologies phantom.

trolling aside


will cardshark/captain tom/fuzz explain why anything other than a shove sucks.

thanks

Captain Tom

i think he was just referring to the best sizing. if he's calling 700/800 he's probably calling a shove anyway so shoving is best. plus it kinda represents a bluff better. betting like 4/5ths of your stack or whatever makes it obvious you really want a call.

Moneymaker

Misneach wrote:

You played okay up to the river card 8, the only hand that can really call is one that beats you.

Or J10, Q9, A8. Like I said, this guy had played pretty much every hand so far.

Misneach wrote:

Why only bet 450 on the turn when you could have easily made it 900 or so or more

Because I had a huge hand and wanted a call...?

Also, I wouldn't have made the thread if I was happy with the hand, would I?

Thanks for the input though.

HeeHawsCantona

I dont think that u had such a huge hand - u were about 5% to hit a huge hand on the river - as it was you had a 10 high flush against an opponent who obviously had something as well.

cardshark202

A flush beats a straight btw

nicnicnic

grand just unlucky. I'd always put then in on river here

RoundTower

just unlucky, you played it well and he'd prob have looked you up with AQ.