Donkey Over Bet ?

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Since coming to the table 2 orbits ago, myself & Villain (country50) have been the most active, I've taken down 3 pots with 2 raises PF in pos, and a Cbet on the flop a couple hands previously. Villain has been limping allot and winning pots with aggressive bets, he stacked a player last hand after making a straight on the river (J,10) killing a 2 pair hand which was betted on all streets.

Although the table was fairly passive I felt players patience were starting to wear thin so I limp hoping to see a cheap flop.

My question relates to my turn bet, I wanted to play this as a donkey bluff bet if there is such a thing (maybe if the cap fits), like a FD or SD, I felt that Villain would call or possibly come over the top with as little as TPWK, slow playing a set or even any draw, I've made up my mind to CallAI if he does so results are irrelevant. Anyway was this bet complete bollox as I didn’t have the Nuts at that point.

Paddy Power 6,000 GP Freezeout 30/60, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button GALION67 (690)
SB country50 (3560)
BB TUFDCHIPS (1975)
UTG taffen (5840)
UTG+1 phatshaff1 (2600)
MP Hero (2435)
MP FredMo74 (6230)
MP BigBig (1680)
CO-1 kenedi71 (1505)
CO GINSENG (645)

Preflop: Hero is in MP with Ah 8h
2 folds, Hero calls 60, 5 folds, country50 calls 30, TUFDCHIPS checks.

Flop (180) 5c 9c 7h
country50 checks, TUFDCHIPS bets 60, Hero calls 60, country50 calls 60.

Turn (360) 6h
country50 checks, TUFDCHIPS checks, Hero bets 600,


edit to change title, as Rickyroma pointed out my error.

Hectorjelly

this hand sucks from start to finish.

edit flop is ok

Rickyroma

First up, that's an over bet, not a donkey bet.

A donkey bet is where someone OOP bets (usually v small) into the aggressor or raiser on the previous street.

e.g. A raises to 150 OTB and B calls from the BB.

Flop

B bets out for 10 into a pot of 300(ish).





I take it you are trying to disguise the strength of your hand with an overbet which can work very well against a loose calling station. This play is very situation and read dependant; most of the times that I have seen someone overbet they are very strong.



EDIT: Thread title change has rendered the first part of this post redundant.

insafehands

Which direction are you coming from?

Value or the amount you'll lose?

If you think he'll call, it's fine I guess?

mrflash

thats a ridiculous bet, who in their right mind will call a bet that size without a better hand ie. 10 8.

its a donk play alright, and as you said you are not holding the nuts, you are behind to 10 8, theres also another card to come. if it pairs the board you are likely to be in a lot of trouble, and if its a ten or eight or club, you could also be in trouble, and if this guy is such a loose cannon, he will probably call with a flush/straight draw. you should put in a raise alright but not that big, you are more than likely ahead, so why not just make as much as you can and stop trying to out think yourself.

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Hectorjelly wrote:

this hand sucks from start to finish.

edit flop is ok

I was hoping you'd post a reply HJ, as I always thought your analysis of a hand was insightful, preception changing and well worth reading....unfortunately your post was well, just anal.

I explained why i thought a limp was in order PF, should I always continue to raise with this type of hand IP regardless? or just R/FPF?

I guess Flop is only good because I was getting odds to call, I'm not beating anything really.

Should I have RR PF?

What do you thing about Overbet on the turn, (main question) does it have merit based on Villian's form? Is the bet really all that transparent?

These questions are the reason I posted the hand, in the cold light of day the hand probably does suck but you/we all know that we've only got 10sec to make up our mind and make an informed decision on each street.

Hectorjelly

Preflop isnt that bad, but raising is still better than limping. The flop is obviously fine, but the turn is crazy. The more you bet the less likely you are to be raised as a bluff. Donkeys don't bet twice the pot as a bluff there; they do it with a one card straight committing themselves to the pot without the nuts and forcing all non-straights out of the pot! The pot isnt that big before you bet, and you are making it really hard for anyone to call you unless they have an 8. You are much better off just playing the hand normally and making a normal sized bet (or checking).

You would only be making a tiny mistake (if one at all) if you never bet more than the pot.

cardshark202

All you will realistically get called by on the turn there is another 8, which you are freerolling against. However, you would like to be called by more than just an 8; so bet 2/3rds pot or something.

valor

please to be playing good at poker

Blip

Thanks guys for all the posts

mrflash wrote:

thats a ridiculous bet, who in their right mind will call a bet that size without a better hand ie. 10 8.

its a donk play alright, and as you said you are not holding the nuts, you are behind to 10 8, theres also another card to come. if it pairs the board you are likely to be in a lot of trouble, and if its a ten or eight or club, you could also be in trouble, and if this guy is such a loose cannon, he will probably call with a flush/straight draw. you should put in a raise alright but not that big, you are more than likely ahead, so why not just make as much as you can and stop trying to out think yourself.

Come on I see players calling all sorts of bets, overbets or otherwise with absolute sh1te, especiallly at the micro levels I play.

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I was trying to make as much as I could, I knew he was going to at least call and he would do this with poor cards, Scientific classification "Retardostation"[/LIST]

The rest of your post is spot on of course, I was trying to think outside the box, I had a made straight and had other outs to the flush but in this instance I agree I did out think myself....so note taken.