2/4NL wtf is this?

cardshark202

villain is 18/14/4.6, never seen him do anything like this before.

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Button is in seat 6
Total number of players: 6

Seat 1: UTG ($98,00)
Seat 3: UTG+1 ($359,70)
Seat 5: Hero ($407,60)
Seat 6: BTN ($528,10)
Seat 8: SB ($408,00)
Seat 10: BB ($520,00)

SB posts small blind of $2,00
BB posts big blind of $4,00

Hero is dealt Js,Qs

UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
Hero raises to $16,00
BTN calls $16,00
SB calls $14,00
BB folds


Dealing flop 9s,Jc,7s
Pot is: $52,00

SB checks
Hero bets $40,00
BTN folds
SB is all-in ($392,00)

wtf?

also what if he had just openshoved the flop? does this change my decision?

robinlacey

a lot of the time when i see someone with solid enough stats do something like this,they turn out to have a very strong draw,or a pair and a draw.

i guess they just don't want to have to deal with playing the turn if they miss

BrandonBlock

8-10 wouldn't make sense against him, my moneys on JJ or he hit the wrong button. (it happens!)

nicnicnic

its bops with the nuts

cardshark202

robinlacey wrote:

a lot of the time when i see someone with solid enough stats do something like this,they turn out to have a very strong draw,or a pair and a draw.

i guess they just don't want to have to deal with playing the turn if they miss

Thats what i have lol!

Samba

could be a mis click of the all in button.

That aside

With 56 bucks invested this is a clear fold spades are probably your only clean outs.

He has called from the small blind what range does he do this with?

Samba

oops

mdwexford

Reggie has the Js

i think i call
if he open-shoves i might fold, then again i might not

RoundTower

its bops with no pair no draw.

ocallagh

lol, cashements. call and get his next rebuy off him in 3 minutes.

on a side note, i just saw halibut3 playing 1/2 NL. lol..

rag2gar

Could well be a miss-click. If you think this is a possibility shove it in!!

robinlacey

oh i missed that you had the flush draw as well...

Macspower

ocallagh wrote:

lol, cashements. call and get his next rebuy off him in 3 minutes.

on a side note, i just saw halibut3 playing 1/2 NL. lol..

I'm at a few tables with him.....

NickyOD

I think he might panic push with an over-pair often enough here for it to be worth calling. If they're not in his range then this has got to be a fold.

phantom_lord

i dunno, but i doubt it's a set or a better draw so i'd call.

Hectorjelly

call. I dont really know what his range is here, and I think in these spots you should always err on the side of gambling

Tar.Aldarion

Call.

loosecannon

i think i lean towards a call as i fancy it's quite often bottom/middle pair with the nut flush draw...

cardshark202

If he had that I would be emailing support straight away!

The Al Lad

so wat was the outcome ???

I call here as well

pumpkinpints

is it someone playing a straight really scared?
If they have a set, a straight or possibly badly played overpairs we certainly have equity in the pot.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.753% 47.69% 00.07% 25493 36.00 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 52.247% 52.18% 00.07% 27895 36.00 { JJ+, 99, 77, AKs, KQs, T8s, 97s, T8o, 97o }

loosecannon

ugh.... must start reading the hands properly! brain not work now...

how did it pan out anyway?

u laid it down didn't you u big sissy!!!!:D

Shadowless

cardshark202 wrote:

If he had that I would be emailing support straight away!

lol (took me far too long to get that!)

Call for me.

El Stuntman

gamboooool

Samba

pumpkinpints wrote:

is it someone playing a straight really scared?
If they have a set, a straight or possibly badly played overpairs we certainly have equity in the pot.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.753% 47.69% 00.07% 25493 36.00 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 52.247% 52.18% 00.07% 27895 36.00 { JJ+, 99, 77, AKs, KQs, T8s, 97s, T8o, 97o }

Yer but on that board your equity changes dramatically with that range.

Hold'em Simulation

160,380 trials (Exhaustive)

board: Jc9s7s

Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JJ-AA,99,77,AKs,KQs,T8s,T8,97 70.54% 112,979 322
QJs 29.46% 47,079 322

Hawk Eye

pumpkinpints wrote:

is it someone playing a straight really scared?
If they have a set, a straight or possibly badly played overpairs we certainly have equity in the pot.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.753% 47.69% 00.07% 25493 36.00 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 52.247% 52.18% 00.07% 27895 36.00 { JJ+, 99, 77, AKs, KQs, T8s, 97s, T8o, 97o }

I think a more realistic range for villain is
Hand 0: 55.826% { JJ, 99, 77, AsKs, J9s, J7s, T8s, 97s, 8s6s, J9o, J7o, T8o, 97o }
Hand 1: 44.174% { QsJs }

Plus he could turn up weird stuff like JT etc so def playing for stacks here.

EDIT: forgot to include AsTs and As8s

Hawk Eye

Samba wrote:

Yer but on that board your equity changes dramatically with that range.

Hold'em Simulation

160,380 trials (Exhaustive)

board: Jc9s7s

Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JJ-AA,99,77,AKs,KQs,T8s,T8,97 70.54% 112,979 322
QJs 29.46% 47,079 322

No it doesn't pumpkin was right with the %'s but you can't really include KQs when we have the Qs and he's hardly shoving KhQh

Shadowless

So wait have you entered the cards on the board into the poker stove calcs or not?

Of course your equity changes depending on the board btw.
AK vs 22 preflop does not have the same equity as
AK vs 22 on an AAA flop.

Samba

Hawk Eye wrote:

No it doesn't pumpkin was right with the %'s but you can't really include KQs when we have the Qs and he's hardly shoving KhQh

I copied and pasted and edited 97s didn't spot the Qs

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulationEditor.jsp

Hawk Eye

Your inputting QJs which includes 4 hands you need to just include QsJs for Hero's hand.

phantom_lord

loosecannon wrote:

u laid it down didn't you u big sissy!!!!:D

lol @ cardshark folding!

bops

contrary to popular opinion - i would probably have 99 in this spot

or maybe the nutleys, or maybe no hand/no draw

cardshark202

Yes lol at me folding. I called obv and he had 77 and boated up on the turn. I actually think it was a misclick on his part but mneh. Rigged

BarrierReef

cardshark202 wrote:

Yes lol at me folding. I called obv and he had 77 and boated up on the turn. I actually think it was a misclick on his part but mneh. Rigged

Does nobody else like his push with a set on this board. Especially considering the image you have of him ?