3pay- what will work?

flodis79

For the data bundles on 3pay - what will work?

Eg the GMail web site, will it work? It's a padlocked page, but think the url is not an https one.

Other login pages, will they work if they are unsecure pages?

Anyone heard anything on the abolition of the prepay proxy?

Urban Weigl

The Gmail java app won't work, however 3 offer an alternative, if less functional way, of getting into it. Generally speaking you can access any normal (non-http) web site through your mobile, albeit in an often somewhat garbled form due to the way the proxy messes with pages.

Generally speaking it's crap. And the proxy is so slow, it's actually slower than using GPRS, according to user reports on here! I don't know how they managed that...

flodis79

You mean a way to get the _java_ version or is the alternative to use the http access, mobile version?

Urban Weigl

The Gmail Java client won't work. HTTP will work. 3 even give you a link to Gmail.

The €5.99 is more than enough on prepay. I suppose it's not that bad, depends what you want.

flodis79

Will use it for GMail, Wikipedia, and other similar pages. 100 mb would be more than enough.. How long will it take to return a wikipedia request? Gmail? Are we talking 5, 10 or 30 seconds?

apollodjs

Why dont three drop this in pre pay so you can have the same as bill pay does anyone know if they plan to do this in the future?

jimmycrackcorm

The front page of Boards is a quarter of a meg.

100 mb won't last long except for email.

Chardee MacDennis

the gmail app works for me but i am on bill, is there much of a difference between the two services?

The_Hustler

Huge difference. The proxy causes all the problems and bill doesn't use a proxy.

podgeandrodge

I wrote to 3 Ireland's Managing Director about this and was subsequently contacted by their head of PR - initially they were not aware about the difference between billpay and 3pay as their technical team initally told them there was none - but they promised to do an investigation

they have come back to me and said that after conversations with their technical team they confirmed that 3Pay is routed differently (for various reasons) and there maybe some https sites that can't be reached directly -

"Because of this we are upgrading the service (current target dates is Sept) which will mean secure sites will be accessible to 3Pay...."

flodis79

podgeandrodge wrote:

I wrote to 3 Ireland's Managing Director about this and was subsequently contacted by their head of PR - initially they were not aware about the difference between billpay and 3pay as their technical team initally told them there was none - but they promised to do an investigation

they have come back to me and said that after conversations with their technical team they confirmed that 3Pay is routed differently (for various reasons) and there maybe some https sites that can't be reached directly -

"Because of this we are upgrading the service (current target dates is Sept) which will mean secure sites will be accessible to 3Pay...."

Thanks for your efforts! Interesting reply! Would this mean that also java applications can be downloaded and used?

Did they tell you what those various reasons were?

AlmightyCushion

podgeandrodge wrote:

I wrote to 3 Ireland's Managing Director about this and was subsequently contacted by their head of PR - initially they were not aware about the difference between billpay and 3pay as their technical team initally told them there was none - but they promised to do an investigation

they have come back to me and said that after conversations with their technical team they confirmed that 3Pay is routed differently (for various reasons) and there maybe some https sites that can't be reached directly -

"Because of this we are upgrading the service (current target dates is Sept) which will mean secure sites will be accessible to 3Pay...."

Wow that's pretty cool. Hopefully they allow you to use apps from your phone as well.

podgeandrodge

they didnt elaborate on the "various reasons"...but



since yesterday 3pay mobile broadband has been far far faster on my n95 - wonder if they have done some upgrade - it certainly isin't like it used to be waiting for a page to load....

apollodjs

Are you able to use applications now like gmail aft etc?

podgeandrodge

havent got aft - whats the quickest way of checking - a secure site?

apollodjs

do you have banking online? or something like that maybe. try AFT??

podgeandrodge

ok have tried aib internet banking and it works fine - but i hadnt tried that before so dont know if this is a change!

maybe some of the others can confirm the applications?

but something has definitely changed on 3pay - it loads everything fast now.


just wish i could monitor my usage - got the 100mb €5.99 package and havent a clue how much ive used up!

Urban Weigl

Secure sites definitely did not work before, even the likes of https://www.paypal.com used to be blocked. Also the Gmail java app, and Opera Mini, did not work before.

apollodjs

This is good news might be tempeted to switch if they finally fixed it can someone else confirm the applications etc?

podgeandrodge

Urban Weigl wrote:

Secure sites definitely did not work before, even the likes of https://www.paypal.com used to be blocked. Also the Gmail java app, and Opera Mini, did not work before.

urban, when you say https paypal didnt work do you mean you could not even access the site or that the login didnt work?

Urban Weigl

Could not even access the site, it would not load.

mcguyver

Did anyone get a chance to check out GMAIL?

tallus

mcguyver wrote:

Did anyone get a chance to check out GMAIL?

I'm downloading it as we speak! Sweetness Last time I tried to it wouldnt work

mcguyver

tallus wrote:

I'm downloading it as we speak! Sweetness Last time I tried to it wouldnt work

Excellent let us know how you get on...

tallus

mcguyver wrote:

Excellent let us know how you get on...

Ok installed the java app, and when I go to sign in I get the message, "This programme requires a data connection. Please contact your carrier, or visit the Google Mail FAQ on your computer for more info"
Ok got to head off now but will post from work when/if I get it connected.

mcguyver

what phone are you using? sounds like your java settings arent set up hopefully this is all it is.

podgeandrodge

was able to access https:www.paypal.com no bother...

mcguyver

podgeandrodge wrote:

was able to access https:www.paypal.com no bother...

Can you try the gmail aplication and see how ya get on?

ablelocks

tallus wrote:

Ok installed the java app, and when I go to sign in I get the message, "This programme requires a data connection. Please contact your carrier, or visit the Google Mail FAQ on your computer for more info"
Ok got to head off now but will post from work when/if I get it connected.

make sure you set the language to English (US) in your Gmail account settings.

tallus

mcguyver wrote:

what phone are you using? sounds like your java settings arent set up hopefully this is all it is.

Motorola V3x. I'll take a look at the Java.

mcguyver

tallus wrote:

Motorola V3x. I'll take a look at the Java.

I think in Motorola you need to set the access point in the java settings. so just set it to what ever the 3 settings are.

tallus

Ok ta mcguyver will check that out...

tallus

I decided to login to the mobile web based version for the moment. Will look into the java thing later heh.

podgeandrodge

mcguyver wrote:

Can you try the gmail aplication and see how ya get on?

sorry where do i get the gmail application - i was just using pop3 for gmail!

mcguyver

podgeandrodge wrote:

sorry where do i get the gmail application - i was just using pop3 for gmail!

Go to http://m.gmail.com to get the java app.

or maybe try opera mini etc

flodis79

tallus wrote:

I'm downloading it as we speak! Sweetness Last time I tried to it wouldnt work

Oh! The fact that it's possible to download the app at all on 3pay now, should be evidence enough that data connections within the app will also work, methinks? Will pick up a Nokia 6151 on 3pay later today if the mobile BB is the same on pre- and billpay now.

podgeandrodge

mcguyver wrote:

Go to http://m.gmail.com to get the java app.

went to http://m.gmail.com - just gave me option to login to gmail - no mention of downloading an application. Am i missing something? logged into gmail no problem though...

flodis79

podgeandrodge wrote:

went to http://m.gmail.com - just gave me option to login to gmail - no mention of downloading an application. Am i missing something? logged into gmail no problem though...

http://www.gmail.com/app is the right URL for the Java app.

podgeandrodge

yep, google application working perfectly!! and fast loading of webpages too. they have obviously changed things.

AlmightyCushion

podgeandrodge wrote:

yep, google application working perfectly!! and fast loading of webpages too. they have obviously changed things.

Sweet!

mcguyver

Can you try opera mini?

Terrontress

Will Opera mini work?

I have my old 6280 and found that the web application on it was useless. I am going to give it to my girlfriend with the 3pay sim they gave me but there is no point if she cannot browse the web.

flodis79

Terrontress wrote:

Will Opera mini work?

I have my old 6280 and found that the web application on it was useless. I am going to give it to my girlfriend with the 3pay sim they gave me but there is no point if she cannot browse the web.

I suppose it will work, but I havent tried myself. If Gmail application works, then in theory the Opera mini should also work.

The_Hustler

Can somebody check if it's still using a proxy?

rc28

Terrontress wrote:

Will Opera mini work?

Yes can someone find this out please, I'm only with vodafone because they allow opera but they are way overpriced, if 3 now allow opera I'm definitely switching to them. I can buy a 100mb bundle for 5euro with 3pay.

tallus

rc28 wrote:

Yes can someone find this out please, I'm only with vodafone because they allow opera but they are way overpriced, if 3 now allow opera I'm definitely switching to them. I can buy a 100mb bundle for 5euro with 3pay.

Just downloaded and installed Opera Mini 3.1.2 for my V3x, It runs 6 network tests after installation, and sadly, mine failed it . Before it runs the "network" test I see This: URL:beta.opera-mini.net:1080. and "Use data network?" I selected the radio button entitled: Yes, ask once, and then went to install. Tried with Opera Mini 4 beta too and it also failed.
I'll mess around with it for a bit longer. Don't know a lot about the 3 settings tho.

flodis79

podgeandrodge wrote:

yep, google application working perfectly!! and fast loading of webpages too. they have obviously changed things.

Strange. I am trying the Gmail app on a brand new N6151 now and it wont work. I can download the app alright but then get this message that this program needs a data connection. Seems as if the proxy is still there, something like widerweb.net - too bad.

apollodjs

flodis79 wrote:

Strange. I am trying the Gmail app on a brand new N6151 now and it wont work. I can download the app alright but then get this message that this program needs a data connection. Seems as if the proxy is still there, something like widerweb.net - too bad.

Have you configured the access point in the nokia?

flodis79

apollodjs wrote:

Have you configured the access point in the nokia?

Not much you can configure really. It's not possible to add new APNs in this phone so I just use the preconfigured one, 3ireland.ie, and through that one it does not work.

Poster who wrote here that data within the Gmail app works - was that what you meant or just that it was possible to download the Gmail app, but that then you were stuck?

Also, when I try to download Opera Mini from the operamini.com page, it says invalid file format when the download is finished.

I managed to download AFT, but cannot use data within the program.

On another note, am I correct in that once the data bundles have been used up, I will get a message that they are, and that I have to buy a new bundle to use more data, or will it be priced at a per-kb rate after that? I find it difficult to keep track of my usage, when the Nokia data log covers all data, even things that do not come out of the bundle, such as watch free streaming news videos and browing to My3.

ablelocks

flodis79 wrote:

Strange. I am trying the Gmail app on a brand new N6151 now and it wont work. I can download the app alright but then get this message that this program needs a data connection. Seems as if the proxy is still there, something like widerweb.net - too bad.

have you changed the language to English (US) in your gmail account settings?

flodis79

ablelocks wrote:

have you changed the language to English (US) in your gmail account settings?

Yes I have, long ago. Have used the gmail java app in another phone for a long time already. Other suggestions?