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50NL Some AK & Shortie hands

  • 24-07-2007 3:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭


    Hand 1:

    Green Joke Poker "TURBO" Union City 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

    Button ($32.05)
    SB ($51.83)
    BB Hero ($89.45)
    UTG ($37.77)
    UTG+1 ($68.83)

    Preflop: Hero is in the BB with As Kh
    2 folds, Button raises to 2, SB calls 1.75, Hero raises to 7.50, Button calls 6, 1 fold.

    Flop (18.00) 6h 9h 9d
    Hero

    Villain is 38/8/1.5 over 13 hands, he was playing typical shortie sytle, calling/raising preflop and open pushing flop or pushing over flop bets. Not getting madly out of line but doing it enough to know that hes bluffing sometimes but he managed to double up recently.

    I hate this if i bet i more or less committ myself but if i dont im inviting him to push, hes still bad enough to call with and underpair or Qx so am i better off giving him the chance to bluff and call or how the hell do i play this?


    Hand 2:

    Green Joke Poker Paarl 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

    Button ($10)
    SB ($28.65)
    BB ($136.29)
    UTG ($72.79)
    UTG+1 ($24.78)
    SB Hero ($65.57)

    Preflop: Hero is in the SB with Ad Kh
    UTG calls 0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to 2, 2 folds, BB calls 1.75, UTG calls 1.75.

    Flop (7.00) 5c Ks 9c
    BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 5, 1 fold, UTG raises to 18, Hero calls 13.

    Turn (43.00) 7d
    UTG bets 35, 1 fold

    Villain is 19/6/2.2 over 343 hands showdowns won 37.5%
    This is very standard fold on the turn, what about the flop should i always call the 3bet on the flop and see what he does on the turn or should i fold the flop, his showdown won is pretty low over that sample and there is a FD here, i dont have any reads to suggest wheter he does or dosent overplay draws but hes obviously overplaying something giving hes showdown stats? Any comments is general about the hand welcome too


    Hand 3:

    Green Joke Poker Paarl 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

    Button ($16.59)
    SB ($18.50)
    BB Hero ($45.75)
    UTG ($24.70)

    Preflop: Hero is in the BB with Qc Kh
    UTG calls 0.50, Button raises to 2, 1 fold, Hero calls 1.50, UTG calls 1.50.

    Flop (6.25) Th 8s Qd
    Hero bets 4, UTG calls 4, Button calls 4.

    Turn (18.25) Jc
    Hero checks, UTG checks, Button moves all-in for 10.59, Hero??

    Montale is 18/6/2 over 399 hands, Again typical shortie
    Rolandroro7 is 26/9/1.7 over 88 hands again anoying shortie you never know if they have MP or the nuts, this is probably erring on the side of fold conisdering ive another shortie to act and i dont have great implied odds but i do have TP and they love big pots but thats also possibly good as they will also call light with marginal hands simply because the pot is big and it increases my odds. Again i feel i hate playing shorties as alot of us do so i taught id post this as i feel stupid calling shorties something with marginal hands on a dangerous board when id easily fold against a full stack player but also theres nothing worse folding and seeing them showdown MP and TPBK, so how do you play against shorties.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Bump


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 900 ✭✭✭CaptainNemo


    I tend to call short stacks quite light, lighter than you seem to like doing here. If I double them up I don't mind so much because then we can play some real poker and a lot of the time they don't adjust their game and end up losing it all.

    I will very often call a bad shortstack when I know I'm behind simply because I know if I lose the pot all that happens is he is on the table with twice as much money to lose.

    E.g. a recent hand at the SE. I have 400BBs and there is a "shortie" on my immediate right with about 40BBs. He limps, I raise to 15BBs with 56s [you had to be there, there was a context for this!], it fold back around to him and now he shoves. I know I've got a very LAG image at this table and I know he has been shoving preflop with a very wide range, so I call the remaining 25BBs and he shows KQo. I hit a straight and bust him, but even if I double him up here I don't mind, I am the person at the table he is most likely to give it back to anyway because he is playng the same way (shove shove shove) regardless of whether he has 20BBs or 60.

    Anyway my long-winded point is that I like to call short-stacks much lighter than most people do.

    I'm sure this is not a long term winning % play so I'm not interested in people telling me that. Part of the value of making calls like this is putting the table on tilt and then changing your game up. If you bust/double up a shortstack with a trash hand then you have had great advertising for your image at a very cheap price - much less risky than trying to show the same hand down or bluff it through against someone with 100+BBs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭RedJoker


    Hand 1:

    That's an impressive read for only 13 hands.

    Any bet commits us to a call here. So we either check/fold or bet whatever amount makes it the most likely he'll bluff, anywhere from 0 - 10 might do this.

    Hand 2:

    I'm stacking off on AK close to always here. Those won at showdown stats indicate he's a fish who goes to showdown way too much. You'll see KQ, KJ, etc. etc. and flush draws a lot here.

    Hand 3:

    Top pair with an OESD, 2.7 - 1 on the call. The only thing I'd be worried about is UTG pushing and you'll be committed to calling that as well, since he checked it's unlikely he has anything good enough to shove with though. You could be behind atm but I think I call.


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