1 2 live hand with added speechplay

strewelpeter

UTG (Villan 1) stack £200 raises to £7 nothing unusual here, he has taken some big hits recently been moaning about bad beats and wants to gamble. He is playing ATC here.
UTG+1 calls (Villan 2) stack £150 This guy has been in almost every pot since he came to the table (less than two laps), has won a couple with decent holdings has also won calling with rags in the blinds. I have him on ATC at this stage.

1 more caller makes the pot £26

I make it £20 from the button with 10d 10h (?)
I have been rolling over this table playing aggressively in position, in the last few hands I've folded to a re raised c-bet. Until then I'd either had the goods when played back at or induced folds.
blinds fold Villan 1 and Villan 2 call

Flop 3s 6d 8d - pot £86

Villan 1 checks -I don't think he likes the flop.
Villan 2 shoves for c. £120

I pause to consider my situation and Villan 1 who is pretty mouthy starts speech playing, asking the table for odds about my folding, I don't know the rules about speechplay in this place and even though he's an annoying prick I'm not looking for a ruling. I'm trying to figure out if he's going to call or fold - I ask him to raise his arm , even though I know I have him well covered, he has about an extra 50 behid and he starts talking again - "You don't want to worry about me you want to worry about him"
At this stage I'm thinking Villan 2 could have TPTK or any draw but I could be being whupped by 2 pair or a set. He has been in so many pots in such a short space of time and playing them so strongly that I can't get a clear estimate of how often I'm ahead.
I would expect Villan 1 to call with any draw (whether or not I call) but my initial read was that he is going away, now I'm thinking he wants me to call.

Your move?

5starpool

If you put them both on basically ATC then how can you fold here? Shove it in. It doesn't really sound like speechplay. but more of a moron who loves talking.

El Stuntman

bleh, I'm not sure I'd get too hung up on Villain no 1's verbosity (although some bad players do start talking uncontrollably when they have a very big hand).

just work out a range for villain 2 (which it sounds like you have already done) and play the hand accordingly

personally, I fold this - sounds like you will find better spots to stack both

buck65

YUCKY
personally I fold here , my macho side is re raise and show your balls but I think fold is ok.

El Stuntman

buck65 wrote:

personally I fold here , my macho side is re raise and show your balls :eek: but I think fold is ok.

testicular display not strictly encouraged in most casinos

buck65

Lol

LuckyLloyd

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Moneymaker

I'm calling in that spot. I'd say the guy who shoved is on a draw of some sort, maybe top pair. But yeah, from what you described, this is an immediate call.

Lazare

El Stuntman wrote:

testicular display not strictly encouraged in most casinos

LOL, brilliant.

bops

Raise more preflop - this will help make these post flop decisions easier - the speachplay guy is just a monkey

phantom_lord

snap call.

strewelpeter

I'd made a mistake and missed the extra limper so in betting 20 I thought I was making a PSB - 30 would have been much better.
I settled on being ahead of Villan 2 about as often as the odds I'm getting (5/3 ish), then if Motormouth comes along with a weak draw, which I decided all this talk was a sign of, then I'm getting decent value to call.

So I call Villan 1 folds claiming 2 overs, he turns out to be the worst and the luckiest player at the table (though not at my expense). Villan 2 turns over 38 off and I get no help. Strangly enough Villan 2 turned out to be quite a good player, I reckon he was advertising as he tightened up considerably soon after this.
I didn't have any great problem with the call, I could have got away from it but meh...
The thing that made me post it was that I got a fair bit of stick at the table for making the call also I wrongly convinced myself that the talk was a sign that he was going to call. As most posters said it was just a sign that he was a muppett.

This was at the Vic in London, I played 5 sessions in four different casinos in the UK last week and the standard is apalling. It really was the softest I have ever come across and not just on weekend nights, I was up in Newcastle on the night before the GUKPT tourney started and all the big guns were in town
and they were queuing up to give it away. One thing that was amazing was how much easier it was to identfy the muppetts from the few who had a clue at all.

Here is a good one...actually I'll post it as a moral dilemma on a fresh thread.