Licence renewal

Our man in Havana

Anyone get the notice yet?

bullets

Bond-007 wrote:

Anyone get the notice yet?

Nope got nothing yet. Hoping when I do get this years
one that they will be able to up the limit from 100 to 500.
When I first got my licence the local FO wouldnt let me increase it.

~B

Trojan911

Still waiting here as well... I reckon Monday or Tuesday.....


TJ911...

newby.204

im hoping i get mine after payday!!!

Our man in Havana

bullets wrote:

Nope got nothing yet. Hoping when I do get this years
one that they will be able to up the limit from 100 to 500.
When I first got my licence the local FO wouldnt let me increase it.

~B

What is the procedure to get the limit changed?

bullets

Bond-007 wrote:

What is the procedure to get the limit changed?

I guess one of those grey areas again.
Have been told I need to let the Gardai know a few weeks
before the renewels are out and I have been also told its a simple
thing where the local garda will simply scribble over the 100 and put
some larger figure in and stamp it there and then for ya!!!!
I dont know the official truth on the matter....its probably so grey
that it differs based on your local super or FO.

Personally when I go shooting I reckon I shoot around 100 Rnds an Hour.
If you travel a few hours to your "local" club you are going
to be spending the day there... so its gonna be more than an hours shooting.
Dunno how the local Gardai think that a meesly 100 rounds is sufficient for
even a full days shooting at the range. Youd swear we were
firing some sort of anti-tank kinda ammo. It may be different for the folks
that hunt and may use bigger stuff than myself where they generally
use less ammo than a rim-fire.

~B

Our man in Havana

You can buy rounds at the club I would assume, so it would not be that big of an issue?
I know that some people have a 500 limit and some even have 1000. When I applied for my licence I was told that 500 would be no problem and was entered on the form but when the licence came thru it had 100 on it. I wonder what the criteria is for the number of rounds allowed.

rrpc

You have to request the increase in your allowance in writing to your local station. Give reasons as to why you need the increase.

Increase to 500 is fairly standard. Should be no problem. Normal reason is for training purposes: i.e. you use 150 to 200 rounds per training session and you train three times a week, so it's impossible to manage that on a 100 round allowance.

sidneyreilly

Try shooting IPSC with a 100 round limit:eek:

cantona

Section 11 1964 Firearms Act should be applicable



11 1964 1

Change of firearm to which firearm certificate relates. 11.—(1) Subject to subsection (3) of this section, the Minister may substitute for the description of a firearm in a firearm certificate granted by him the description of another firearm and, upon such substitution, the certificate shall have effect in relation to that other firearm and shall not have effect in relation to the first-mentioned firearm.

(2) Subject to subsection (3) of this section, the Superintendent of any district or any member of the Garda Síochána in any district duly authorised to do so by the Superintendent of that district may substitute for the description of a firearm in a firearm certificate held by a person residing in that district the description of another firearm and, upon such substitution, the certificate shall have effect in relation to that other firearm and shall not have effect in relation to the first-mentioned firearm.

(3) A substitution under this section in a firearm certificate shall not be effected unless the rate of excise duty chargeable in respect of a renewal of the certificate after the substitution does not exceed the rate chargeable immediately before such substitution.

rrpc

cantona wrote:

Section 11 1964 Firearms Act should be applicable

Eh? No it doesn't, it is applicable for the substitution of one firearm for another. Nothing to do with ammunition.

In fact there is nothing in law that says how much ammunition you can hold just that you can't hold any more than is specified on your certificate.

cantona

Has worked for me in three different districts.

If you go in with a basic knowledge of the Firearms Act(however basic) and quote sections and acts, chances are that you will get what you want.

My own 2cents worth.

rrpc

cantona wrote:

Has worked for me in three different districts.

If you go in with a basic knowledge of the Firearms Act(however basic) and quote sections and acts, chances are that you will get what you want.

My own 2cents worth.

Which tells you all you need to know about the Gardai's knowledge of the firearms acts.

les45

They arrived today

Our man in Havana

Nothing here yet.

the hunter

got mine today too

Terrier

Got mine plus another letter from the local Sgt stating all guns will have to be presented at the station and no renewal will be taken by post this year (didn't know this was a option !)

Rovi

the hunter wrote:

got mine today too

Me too!

Keelan

Got mine in the post today aswell.
Im thinking of getting out of shooting, too much hassel with applications ect ect, just stick with me lurchers.
Anyone wanting to buy them, plus loads of equipment, scopes, mounts ect, just PM me.;)

Keelan.

Dr Strange

Yep, same here. Both renewal applications arrived today

Vegeta

Keelan wrote:

Got mine in the post today aswell.
Im thinking of getting out of shooting, too much hassel with applications ect ect, just stick with me lurchers.
Anyone wanting to buy them, plus loads of equipment, scopes, mounts ect, just PM me.;)

Keelan.

Are you serious???

Our man in Havana

Terrier wrote:

Got mine plus another letter from the local Sgt stating all guns will have to be presented at the station and no renewal will be taken by post this year (didn't know this was a option !)

They can do that from time to time. Just a check you have the actual guns you are licensed to have.

They must have forgotten to send me a notice.

johngalway

Got mine today also, no letter asking me to present anything to the station however, they mustn't trust ya Terrier Usually come to the house here to have a quick look at the serial number.

Hezz700

Mine normally turn up in the Sergents hand and are exchanged for a cuppa and some bickies.:rolleyes: so i'll wait patiently as usual till he comes knocking.:D

bullets

Yep mine arrived today too.

As this is my first time needing to renew a licence
can I goto the station pay and get the new licence
there and then while I wait ?

Or do I have to goto the station Pay and then wait
for it to arrive in the post or wait for notice to collect
a new one?

Also does it have to be the local FO I need to meet
or can it be any Garda at the station? That will just take
my money and issue the new cert? Someone mentioned
they would be printed already.

Will need to take time off work to try and get to the station,
or will have to wait to go on a Saturday so if the local FO
is not there dont want to be wasting my time.

Am sure glad I did not get a letter saying I had to present my rifle
at the station as I dont drive and it would put me in a pretty
odd situation having to strap it to my back and cycle a few miles
through a kinda roughish neighbourhood!!!
(Joking of course I would not do that)

~B

Rovi

bullets wrote:

Yep mine arrived today too.

As this is my first time needing to renew a licence
can I goto the station pay and get the new licence
there and then while I wait ?

Yep, that's how it works.
You can just send in the signed renewal form and fee by post if you want, but I like to turn up in person and check the new certificates against the old in case of 'clerical errors.'

edited to add:
The new certs will be at the station desk, and whoever is there will handle the transaction at whatever hour of the day or night you decide to go in.

tuxy

I got it in the post yesterday. Went into the station today and asked to renew.
The guard says, they aren't out yet. I told him I got it in the post yesterday. He says oh right are they?
And then tells me to come back in a week.

bullets

Rovi wrote:

Yep, that's how it works.
You can just send in the signed renewal form and fee by post if you want, but I like to turn up in person and check the new certificates against the old in case of 'clerical errors.'

edited to add:
The new certs will be at the station desk, and whoever is there will handle the transaction at whatever hour of the day or night you decide to go in.

Sweet! Yeah bit like yourself I would like to turn up in person rather
than having to wait for the post in order to check if the details are right.

~B

patrick2007

Lads I recieved mine in the post this morning also and to be honest I'm more than annoyed with Headquarters, the reason for this is both letters came in envelopes which were not sealed!
As you all know they come in brown envelopes the window in the front and in the top left hand corner it states " If undelivered please return to Garda Headquaters etc" Given that the letters have passed thru many hands to arrive at my door I'm sure someone out of curiosity has had a sneeky peek (I cant prove it obviously but human mature being what it is...)
I think it is a ridiculous situation that the Garda require some of us to have safes and monitored alarms etc yet they post out renewals in open envelopes!! Only in Ireland could something this backward happen!
Have any of you recieved your renewals in the same state?
Does anyone know who I can complain to? I know the local is an obvious but is there a dept in headquarters?

P

sixpointfive

yes ot mine today, some not sealed and some for guns that i had three years ago, this happens every year, anybody else get that?

Jonty

bullets wrote:

Yep mine arrived today too.

As this is my first time needing to renew a licence
can I goto the station pay and get the new licence
there and then while I wait ?


~B

They won't take cash. Any Cheques or postal orders should be made out to the superintendent of the local area. Please correct me if I'm wrong

Our man in Havana

I paid cash for my licence, each district might have their own policies.

bullets

Jonty wrote:

They won't take cash. Any Cheques or postal orders should be made out to the superintendent of the local area. Please correct me if I'm wrong

I paid cash when I got my first licence in Jan/Feb 07
The FO was only concerned that I gave him the exact fee
so he would not have to give me change.

~B

Our man in Havana

Gardai never seem to have change.

E@gle.

Damn i hate this time of the year :mad: .

Didnt get mine in the post but have it paid anyway.

Just gotta pay insurance and club membership now

J.R.

I always drop in in person to renew as the Garda want to see club current club membership card on renewal if you have indicated that you are a member of a gun club.

newby.204

sixpointfive wrote:

yes ot mine today, some not sealed and some for guns that i had three years ago, this happens every year, anybody else get that?

yep i got a renewal in the post for a firearm i dont have it was amended two years ago!!

Trojan911

Got mine yesterday, all sealed with a loving kiss

patrick2007 wrote:

Lads I recieved mine in the post this morning also and to be honest I'm more than annoyed with Headquarters, the reason for this is both letters came in envelopes which were not sealed!

Very shoddy.... Worth a mention because you don't know how many people now know you possess firearms.


TJ911...

Our man in Havana

Mine showed up this morning.

rrpc

Trojan911 wrote:

Got mine yesterday, all sealed with a loving kiss

Very shoddy.... Worth a mention because you don't know how many people now know you possess firearms.

TJ911...

The fact that they come in envelopes marked 'Garda Headquarters' around the 31st July would be enough IMO.

That's why it's best that you turn up in person to collect your licence, the Gardai will get to know you and make it harder for someone to impersonate you and collect your licence, though what use it would be to them is a bit of a stretch.

Trojan911

rrpc wrote:

though what use it would be to them is a bit of a stretch.

They now have a free reign to buy ammunition for that particular firearm and sell it on to the unlicenced criminal fraternity....


TJ911...

rrpc

Trojan911 wrote:

They now have a free reign to buy ammunition for that particular firearm and sell it on to the unlicenced criminal fraternity....


TJ911...

For how long?

If one of your renewals didn't turn up, and you then went to your cop shop and found that they'd handed over your licence to some criminal, how long before every gun dealer in the country was looking out for it?

Plus it would take some balls to walk into a cop shop with a renewal that wasn't yours in the hope that the cops wouldn't know the real licence holder.

Trojan911

rrpc wrote:

For how long? If one of your renewals didn't turn up, and you then went to your cop shop and found that they'd handed over your licence to some criminal, how long before every gun dealer in the country was looking out for it?.

It does not matter how long. Even one visit to a shop to purchase a couple of hundred rounds of whatever calibre would be enough ammunition to keep a crim going.

rrpc wrote:

Plus it would take some balls to walk into a cop shop with a renewal that wasn't yours in the hope that the cops wouldn't know the real licence holder.

It would, but that is how some people work. The more balls you show the less likely you will be challenged.


TJ911...

rrpc

Trojan911 wrote:

It does not matter how long. Even one visit to a shop to purchase a couple of hundred rounds of whatever calibre would be enough ammunition to keep a crim going.

Except one visit would only get you 100 rounds based on most licences and would get you nicely on CCTV.

Trojan911 wrote:

It would, but that is how some people work. The more balls you show the less likely you will be challenged.

Make it nice and easy for the cops though, no need to get in the car to make an arrest

tikkamark

Keelan wrote:

Got mine in the post today aswell.
Im thinking of getting out of shooting, too much hassel with applications ect ect, just stick with me lurchers.
Anyone wanting to buy them, plus loads of equipment, scopes, mounts ect, just PM me.;)

Keelan.

You what??

Terrier

Keelan wrote:

Got mine in the post today aswell.
Im thinking of getting out of shooting, too much hassel with applications ect ect, just stick with me lurchers.
Anyone wanting to buy them, plus loads of equipment, scopes, mounts ect, just PM me.;)

Keelan.

Don't leave the b@*tards break you down!!

kiwijbob

Went in yesterday to renew my licence (for the first time), paid my €25,
I expected to get my licence there and then but was told something
about them all having to go through the supt, when I asked if it would
be posted to me he just said something about them all having to go
through the supt again

Our man in Havana

Should go no where near the super again. Normally a Sargent is appointed to do the renewals. The renewals may not be signed yet by the Sargent and they will post yours out when they are signed.

bullets

Went to my station today only to find that they
did not have the licenses yet! Paid the 38 Euros
and got a receipt though.

Bad form. Wasted my time traveling there. Could
of rang before hand but Today was the only day I
could get there.

Further got annoyed when went to the Local fishing/shooting
store to find they had NO ammo for me even though they
knew they were out of stock 4-5 weeks ago and knew
I would be looking for more. Convinced the guys there
have Zero interest in Shooting and only care about fishing.

~B

johngalway

Sargent doing renewals in Clifden too.

chem

Ive changed my address since last year. Informed my local as soon as. Only got one of my renewl forms sent out to my new address. Guess where I found the other? My old address. Luckly it was my home place not some strangers. Yet again a half ar$ed job done by our protectors :rolleyes: