Game Snobbery

MooseJam

Are you a gaming snob, do you look down on console gaming, do you feel "real" gaming can only be done on a pc , I've had a good few consoles in my time and so I view them as equal, what do you think

Kinetic^

I'm a member of the console gaming community and I feel that gay people are excepted more by PC gamers than we are!!!!!

Holsten

They each handle games differently, one might be better than the other at a certain genre.

I'd say PC gaming is better over all though, they can do everything a console can and more.

Silverfish

FPS games cannot be played to their full capacity on consoles.

Mouse and keyboard > control pad.

Retr0gamer

Shut up. PC gamers aren't even real gamers. You aren't a real gamer unless you own an SNK machine, a Turbogrfx machine and an arcade machine.

TBH if you are really into games you will have a variety of consoles and a PC. It's the only way to experience everything.

GrumPy

You CANNOT call yourself a gamer imo, unless you have sampled the delights of both pc, and console gaming enough to appriciate that gaming can be enjoyed on both platforms.

o1s1n

Anyone who thinks true gaming can only be done on a PC is more of an idiot than a snob.

They're all just machines. Only reason a PC would handle a FPS any better is down to the keyboard and mouse combination. They're peripherals for the machine. Not the machine itself. Some consoles can support them. So I really think that arguments falls flat.

Upgrade potential is the one true advantage PC gaming has. Which can be damn expensive.

Silverfish

I have played both, and I re-iterate: Mouse and keyboard > control pad.

o1s1n

Silverfish wrote:

I have played both, and I re-iterate: Mouse and keyboard > control pad.

So you'd rather use a mouse and keyboard for beat em ups? Driving games?

Silverfish

o1s1n wrote:

So you'd rather use a mouse and keyboard for beat em ups? Driving games?

Silverfish wrote:

FPS games cannot be played to their full capacity on consoles.

Mouse and keyboard > control pad.

Just like I said.

o1s1n

I would completely agree that FPS games can not be played to their full capacity with a control pad.

If you're saying though that you could beat someone top of their game at Soul Calibur or Street Fighter using a keyboard instead of a gamepad... eh,yeah. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this isn't mouse/keyboard vs control pad. As they are readily available peripherals for games consoles.

Silverfish

o1s1n wrote:

I would completely agree that FPS games can not be played to their full capacity with a control pad.

If you're saying though that you could beat someone top of their game at Soul Calibur or Street Fighter using a keyboard instead of a gamepad... eh,yeah. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this isn't mouse/keyboard vs control pad. As they are readily available peripherals for games consoles.

The OP asked what we thought. I replied.

I do not play 'beat em ups' or racing games. I play fps games.

I prefer pc / mouse / keyboard to consoles.

You won't convince me otherwise.

Cunny-Funt

It comes down to what games your into tbh. Obviously I think PC gaming is better because I prefer gaming on a pc and PC games to consoles.

I once loved consoles but then I saw what PC gaming was like and never looked back, consoles just don't do it for me any more.

However of course many people would prefer console gaming because that is their taste.

Which one is better depends on the gamer.


The "snobbish" stuff only starts when some ignorant console owners assume and talk as if their 300 euro x many years old console is the peak of technology and actually assume there is nothing better then a joypad for FPS's.



It can also be a little annoying as a PC gamer when playing a great game that could be so much better, but that had to be limited since it was released on consoles too. Like GTA3 back in the day etc. Or even the up coming GTA4 etc..

But ah well that's just the way it is as that's where the money is. I guess we should just be glad that there is at least a few games released just for the PC since it's a small market.

ironictoaster

I always thought consoles were better. I hated upgrading my PC, I'd just preferred to buy a console and that would be it, and no more upgrades!

suppafly

I wouldn't look down on people who have consoles, but they r most definetly not equal. There r far more things u can do on a pc. Even a fair average one, than what u can do with the lastest consoles. FPS games imho r crap on consoles. U a mouse for them!! But footie and games and stuff r better on consoles.

Pepe LeFrits

I think it is high time somebody posted a cat image for this stupid thread!

Smellyirishman

Can you do this with a console?

Fnz

:rolleyes: This is stupid! It is best left as a stupid argument... for stupid people to have.

I fear this thread is going to end in an all-out 'geek-off'!

Participants run the risk of reducing themselves to this: [Linky]

o1s1n

Silverfish wrote:

The OP asked what we thought. I replied.

I do not play 'beat em ups' or racing games. I play fps games.

I prefer pc / mouse / keyboard to consoles.

You won't convince me otherwise.

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I was trying to understand why you would think a mouse/keyboard is better for every form of game. When it is most definitely not.

I understand now. You ONLY play fps games. *mind boggles*

Silverfish

Well, having played other games and not really liking them, then yeah.

I don't see what your issue is with this, really, and think you should let it drop.

GrumPy

Silverfish wrote:

Well, having played other games and not really liking them, then yeah.

I don't see what your issue is with this, really, and think you should let it drop.

Are you for serious?

o1s1n

Silverfish wrote:

Well, having played other games and not really liking them, then yeah.

I don't see what your issue is with this, really, and think you should let it drop.

Yes I have MAJOR issues with your gaming preferences. WTF? it's called debating. I thought that's what people did on forums.

I guess not.

Oh, someone asked for cat pictures.

steviec

Consoles are designed to play games of all types, are much cheaper and have far bigger budget games (not necessarily better, but the fact is that the most talented developers will go where the money is in general)

PCs have a never ending conveyor belt of uninspiring FPS games and shiny graphics, and expensive upgrades and hassle to go with them.

Not that the PC doesn't have some great games, but consoles are gaining more and more ground. The next Fallout is coming to consoles. Unreal Tournament 3 is coming to PS3 on day one, complete with mod compatibility. The next Civilisation game has been announced for consoles. FEAR was considered a top PC game a while back, then it came to consoles and the PC community seemed to suddenly decide 'it wasn't that good really'.

The only big PC game anyone seems to be talking about lately is Crysis, which falls snugly into the 'generic FPS with expensive technology' category.

I have a PC and play games on it but it will never be as important to me (as a games machine) as any of my consoles.

Silverfish

o1s1n wrote:

Yes I have MAJOR issues with your gaming preferences. WTF? it's called debating. I thought that's what people did on forums.

I guess not.

Well, I explained that I prefer PC to console, for the reason that I only really play fps games - what's to debate?

I don't think PC's are better, I don't think they're worse, I just think, that for me, PC's are better.

Steven

Silverfish only plays fps games, so the pc is the natural choice for her. Lots of people only listen to one genre of music. That doesn't mean they're not music-listeners.

o1s1n

Silverfish wrote:

Well, I explained that I prefer PC to console, for the reason that I only really play fps games - what's to debate?

I don't think PC's are better, I don't think they're worse, I just think, that for me, PC's are better.

Your stance was debatable in the beginning as it seemed you were saying you preferred mouse/keyboard for all games. Which is a bit odd given that it doesn't work at all for some genres. That's what I was inquiring about.

You didn't mention you played FPS only until several comments in.

johnny_ultimate

One of the things I dislike about alot of PC gamers is how elite they seem. They just have to accept that alot of people enjoy the simplicity of console gaming.

Everytime I install a PC game I always end up having to alter settings, delete files and all kinds of other messing just to get the thing up and running, often poorly. This annoys me on occasion, so I turn to consoles - I simply put in a disc and play. I think a healthy mix is important. It is true PC games are often much more advanced than console games, for example, and anyone solely playing console games will miss out on many classics (games such as RTS, point 'n clicks and ARGUABLY FPS (although I think pads work grand for them too) belong on PC). But anyone who just plays one and constantly criticises the other certainly deserves a bit of a boot up the old a.

krudler

i own a load of consoles and a decent pc but i still say consoles all the way,no upgrading,the direct plug n play appeal, and the games are better,pc can do slightly better graphics on certain games but unless you're running enough equipment that you can launch a space shuttle with you wont get the full potential out of them. pc games can have more depth but im not really one for spending 100 hours upgrading my wizard so he can kick an asian kids wizard in world of warcraft.

the mouse/keyboard vs joypad only works for fps and strategy games, everything else is joypad all the way, you cant play street fighter or driving games with a keyboard now can you

and yes pc gamers are extremely snobby and elite, maybe because pc games dont have the legacy that console games have and theyre jealous:D

challengemaster

I'm with Silverfish on this one - PC > Console for fps

steveic wrote:

Unreal Tournament 3 is coming to PS3 on day one, complete with mod compatibility

thats great - Its coming to PC on day one too, with the Unreal Editor (the thing that actually makes the mods/maps/you name it) and will have about 20 mods within the week. you forgot to mention that UT3 for Console has auto-aim, basically making it a big crock of ****. Can you edit your config files on a ps3? the little things that can make a hell of a difference? turn off ambient sounds etc through config files? (and if you can do it, can you do it in less than 30 mins using a ****ty joypad & onscreen text editor)

For FPS games, PC is elitist - why? because you dont have auto-aim, you have to actually be skilled to play the game well, and learn things to play. not just pick up some joypad and rtfm page1 and be able to play well. all i can say is - good luck in UT3 trying to do a shieldgun(hammer) jump walldodge shock combo with a joypad.

jesus_thats_gre

Started with consoles, moved to PCs and now both. Use the PC more but certain games suit consoles while others suit PCs..

Shiminay

My belief is that PC gaming is better for several reasons:
1) you can plug a game pad into a PC and play any console based game that way
2) updatable hardware means you can improve your gaming experience
3) developers aren't constrained by these same hardware restraints and don't need to worry if the <insert console here> port will look sh1t or not
4) PC games have modding communities - Counter Strike anyone?
5) OMFG TEH KONSOULS ARE TEH GHEY!!!!1one (ok, I don't believe that but I thought it might be funny).

I have a Gaming PC and a PS2 and a Dreamcast and all get used in equal measure. The PC is the most recent addition and so will see increased use over the next year. I play a lot of FPS games and there can be no doubt that the PC is the undisputed champion of platforms for that kind of game. Console gaming has got me through these dark times without a gaming PC well so I won't fault them, but they're always (for me) gonna be in the PCs shadow. I do find it interesting that the consoles are becoming more and more popular for the professional competitions. I guess it makes for more even playing fields as well as everything else. Gaming has become a more mainstream thing in the last 10 years (thank you Sony and the original PlayStation). There will always be the hardcore "elite" (at least in their own eyes) that will fixate on PCs and think that just because you can tweak it more it means it's automatically better (I happen to think it's more useful to a serious gamer, but not necessarily better).

steviec

challengemaster wrote:

I'm with Silverfish on this one - PC > Console for fps

thats great - Its coming to PC on day one too, with the Unreal Editor (the thing that actually makes the mods/maps/you name it) and will have about 20 mods within the week. you forgot to mention that UT3 for Console has auto-aim, basically making it a big crock of ****. Can you edit your config files on a ps3? the little things that can make a hell of a difference? turn off ambient sounds etc through config files? (and if you can do it, can you do it in less than 30 mins using a ****ty joypad & onscreen text editor)

For FPS games, PC is elitist - why? because you dont have auto-aim, you have to actually be skilled to play the game well, and learn things to play. not just pick up some joypad and rtfm page1 and be able to play well. all i can say is - good luck in UT3 trying to do a shieldgun(hammer) jump walldodge shock combo with a joypad.

You can plug a mouse and keyboard into the PS3 and the game will play exactly the same way (so Epic say). As for the config file stuff, who knows. I'll take the machine that can also play Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo et al, over one that gives you anal levels of control over background audio. My point wasn't that UT3 was better on Playstation, it's just that such a traditionally pure PC game is going straight to console(amongs others) while you don't see traditional console games going the other way.

Also the whole 'have to actually be skilled...' elitist rubbish gets on my nerves. A mouse and keyboard is more accurate - why does that make it more skillful? It just makes it easier in single player and it just means it's a slightly different skillset in multiplayer, but it's no less skillful. It's not like there's suddenly a dice roll that decides whether you hit or not, the better player will still win. At least with a console you know the guy on the other end isn't using a laser mouse and a crystal mousepad and disabling textures and whatever other cheap ways to get ahead they can find - it's a level playing field (or at least it traditionally was, but as I said new games are giving the mouse/keyboard option for those who want it now, presumably there'll be joypad-only servers to join too)

projectmayhem

Kharn wrote:

(ok, I don't believe that but I thought it might be funny).

you were wrong

i'm a fairly dedicated console gamer, but games i play on the console are purely to entertain me for a few hours in a given evening, and to give me a level of interaction you don't get from movies, music etc.

when i play the PC, though, specifically with online-based games (which i mostly stick to, since console "online" modes tend to be a bit wishy-washy, even on the famed xbl service) i strive to be somewhat good. i spent a fair amount of cash on my PC, so i want to justify it by being able to shoot someone in the face on counter-strike, etc. whereas on my PS3 or 360, if i suck i'm not overly bothered...

challengemaster

steviec wrote:

You can plug a mouse and keyboard into the PS3 and the game will play exactly the same way (so Epic say). As for the config file stuff, who knows. I'll take the machine that can also play Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo et al, over one that gives you anal levels of control over background audio. My point wasn't that UT3 was better on Playstation, it's just that such a traditionally pure PC game is going straight to console(amongs others) while you don't see traditional console games going the other way.

I'll be totally honest with you on this one, since getting a PC i havent touched a ps2 game - they're all so **** compared. single player just doesnt do it anymore. Some things like GT/MGS series are good i agree, but you can only play through a game so many damn times SP before it gets extremly boring. the reason PC games are going console is because they want more money for them is all (and ofc you could use some better games)

Also the whole 'have to actually be skilled...' elitist rubbish gets on my nerves. A mouse and keyboard is more accurate - why does that make it more skillful? It just makes it easier in single player and it just means it's a slightly different skillset in multiplayer, but it's no less skillful. It's not like there's suddenly a dice roll that decides whether you hit or not, the better player will still win. At least with a console you know the guy on the other end isn't using a laser mouse and a crystal mousepad and disabling textures and whatever other cheap ways to get ahead they can find - it's a level playing field (or at least it traditionally was, but as I said new games are giving the mouse/keyboard option for those who want it now, presumably there'll be joypad-only servers to join too)

you dont see why a mouse aim is more skillful than auto-aimer ? ....

also a laser mouse & CRYSTAL mousemat will totally feck up the laser and cause glitchyness/jumpyness with whats being read.

hardly anyone, ever, plays single player in fps games. i played through it in ut2k4 ONCE to see was it any good (when the power went and i was on my lappy), that said, i had it cleared in 50mins. it was pure ****e. The real gaming experience for fps games is online.

also if you find changing details in the game to get an edge, in proper e-sports, out of order/cheap - then i suggest you put away your pc in a box, give it to someone else. It's called playing to win - get over it or leave the gaming world.

Smellyirishman

challengemaster wrote:

you dont see why a mouse aim is more skillful than auto-aimer ? ....

He never said that. He said using a joypad requires a different skill than a M&KB, plus, not many FPS games have Auto-aim a few have an aid though (although I think this is mostly an old idea).

challengemaster wrote:

hardly anyone, ever, plays single player in fps games. i played through it in ut2k4 ONCE to see was it any good (when the power went and i was on my lappy), that said, i had it cleared in 50mins. it was pure ****e. The real gaming experience for fps games is online.

Hardly anyone ever? Hardly.

You're right though, a significant proportion of the fun in FPS games (I would argue for most games) is going online... but welcome to 2007, almost all console FPS games are online.

challengemaster wrote:

also if you find changing details in the game to get an edge, in proper e-sports, out of order/cheap - then i suggest you put away your pc in a box, give it to someone else. It's called playing to win - get over it or leave the gaming world.

Spoken like a true 1337z0r. :rolleyes:

Both consoles and PCs have their place in the gaming world. If you cannot see that, just STFU please . Although it won't be long until consoles can do exactly what PCs can (they are not far off) and offer it in a neater, more accessable package. You can see it happening already, how many good PC games have been released thus far this year, how many are coming? (With the exception of MMOs) Then compare that to consoles.

koneko

Oh no, not another thread like this.

Some of my favourite games of all times are on PC. Some of my favourite games of all time are on consoles. I don't believe in picking one or the other, I don't see why someone should have to pick one or the other, it's silly and means you're missing out on some of the best games ever made... either way.

I don't think people that play PC only games are elite, I think they're missing out. That's their choice. If they think that makes them "better" then they're deluded (not that I'm implying all "PC-only" players feel this way, but it's clear some do). The same applies to console-only players, but the "elitism" bug hasn't caught on there as much.

thelordofcheese

Man i love these threads, they attract morons and their half-assed dribblings like moths to a flame.

Stephen

I have a decent gaming PC, and have had several over the years. I have an Xbox 360. I had a PS2 and Xbox before that. I'll probably get a PS3 when its price drops to a reasonable level and it has more than 1 or 2 games worth playing. I have always preferred the PC over the consoles. If a game was available on all 3 platforms I'd always get the PC version (hello GTA).

What really boils my piss about consoles is that you have to pay for the likes of Xbox Live when you can play online as much as you like for free with PC games. None of this gold and silver tiered bolloxology. The fact that PC games are normally significantly cheaper than console games also incentivises me to buy them over the console versions of multiformat games.

The argument of the cost of upgrading PC's to keep up with the hardware arms race doesn't really bother me as I'll be doing that anyway - I use my PC for more than just games, so comparing its cost to that of a console that ONLY plays games does not make much sense to me.

Certainly consoles are better for some genres like beat 'em ups and sports games, and PC's are better for others such as FPS and RTS. Whoever said racing games are unplayable with a keyboard and mouse (well keyboard alone, actually) clearly hasn't tried one.

In short, I like both but I prefer PC. Weh.

Duggy747

I like PC's and consoles, though I favour towards PC's cuz of the freedom and flexibility. But at least you can fúck a game into a console and not on the odd time be greeted with "missing dx9_27.dll required" or "Xbox 360 has performed an illegal operation and will now close, would you like to send an error report?" To the person who said PC games are getting generic while consoles are taking the pace are woefully wrong. I think it's the other way around, in terms of generic games. The problem for developers on consoles is the pressure they receive to push these games out, a lot of times then we see buggy releases. Have you honestly ever heard of a console-only game that's being in development for years & years?

FEAR was never "dropped" from the PC community. It's a pretty good game, the only quiff everyone had was the same architectures used over & over again. Plain rule: FPS CAN'T be played on consoles, it just doesn't feel right without the precision of a mouse. You be flailing your crosshair everywhere as you try to hone in on a baddie while your being surrounded.

Anywho, personally I prefer a PC for gaming because of the vast genre of games we have. That and the ability to roll back to old classics like Duke Nukem 3D, Doom I & II, Quake 1, Blood 1, etc.

P.S. Consoles kick ass on racing games though.

Vegeta

having played both i prefer consoles

I am a casual gamer and prefer the comfort and no hassle approach of playing a console

Don't particularly like mouse and keyboard either

6ix

Having played both consoles and PCs for many years, I can see the merits of both. I once leaned more toward PC, but now that I'm working and have less time on my hands, plugging in the 360 for a quick Xbox Live game seems more accessible for some reason.

The one big difference I notice is that far more PC gamers have to "have a go" at console users for no reason. You'll rarely see it the other way around (unless provoked).

Eg reading the COD forum here when COD3 came out, someone would ask a question regarding the game, casually mentioning that they play a console version. Cue lots of "Why would you play that - keyboard+mouse is far better", blah blah. Fair enough, I can see the point, but stop bringing it order to look more elite.

Maximilian

I think its fair to say that in general the PC is better. Games tend to have more depth than console versions, there's a greater variety of games available not to mention the enormous back catalogue and games are cheaper.

Plus, console owners are poor and therefore don't contribute to society.

L31mr0d

Vegeta wrote:

having played both i prefer consoles

I am a casual gamer and prefer the comfort and no hassle approach of playing a console

Don't particularly like mouse and keyboard either

To me and I think everyone, its all about titles. I've been a devout PC gamer for quite a while, but as I see more and more good game titles slipping over to consoles and then being poorly ported to PC its shifting the tide imo. I'm not a fanboy and will move over to consoles if the games I want to play stop being released on PC.

Last generation, I would of said PC wins in all areas hands down.

But now, i'm not so sure, PC's now offer very little to justify the huge price tag thats need to keep them up to a reasonable spec. People are looking at around 1500 at least a year to play games at a better quality then can be found on consoles.

Consoles now offer:
1. Downloadable content (mods are being planned for the UT3 console version)
2. Online play (so you have to pay, so what, people do it anyway in the likes of WoW, and you don't have the extra cost of buying a €500 graphics card every few months)
3. The ability to use a keyboard and mouse (PC will lose their FPS crown once these become mainstream)
4. HD playback (how many of you PC gamers have a Bluray/HD-DVD player in your computers)
5. Upgradable HDDs
6. Can be networked to a PC to stream content and use it as a media center

As far as I can see, PCs now have nothing over consoles to make them better for gaming. If anything there a lot of features of consoles that make them even better now. You might argue that games "look" better on the PC, but imo, the extra little bit of shimmering on water is not worth a price tag 4 times more expensive than a console.

Creamy Goodness

i think it boils down to this for me...


PC multiplayer = best when you're on your own.
Console multiplayer = best when you have mates around.

humanji

My biggest gripe with consoles are PC games that are dumbed down in content and execution so that they can also be released on consoles. Luckily, with the current generation, this isn't happening too much, but it hasn't stopped me worrying about the likes of Bioshock.

But as many have already said, it's pointless claiming that one is better than the other. I love my PC because of the huge variety and range of games, and I love my consoles for their pick up and playability and, although I'm ashamed to admit it, Singstar is bloody good fun when you're drinking with your mates!

MOH

krudler wrote:

maybe because pc games dont have the legacy that console games have and theyre jealous:D

Huh?!


Anyway, PC ftw. PC gaming, in any genre, has completely kicked the ass of any console I've ever owned




(disclaimer: only console I've ever owned was an Atari 2600)

Kiith

L31mr0d wrote:

2. Online play (so you have to pay, so what, people do it anyway in the likes of WoW, and you don't have the extra cost of buying a €500 graphics card every few months)

People are really overestimating the cost of upgrading their pc. You do not need the absolute top of the range graphics card for the vast majority of games. I paid €1500 for my pc a year and a half ago, and it still plays everything, perfectly. I will probably upgrade my card next year, for about €250, and then that will play everything, perfectly. Plus, its also used for work, so i need to keep it upgraded

steviec wrote:

PCs have a never ending conveyor belt of uninspiring FPS games and shiny graphics, and expensive upgrades and hassle to go with them.

The only big PC game anyone seems to be talking about lately is Crysis, which falls snugly into the 'generic FPS with expensive technology' category.

And consoles have a never-ending conveyor belt of sequels, sports sequels, beat-em ups, etc...All formats have their ****, unoriginal games. Dont try and say that the pc has more of them. Theres plenty of **** to go around. And Crysis, if you had watced the video's / read about it, is definatly not some generic fps with expensive technology. Its, by a long shot, the best looking game coming out, and it has alot of new/re-invented features that i dont have the energy/time to write about. Then theres Bioshock (i'll pay on pc cause of mouse/kb), Warhammer, Age of Conan, etc...

I also recently started playing some decent xbox live games. Gears on Co-op is great. Rainbow 6 is great (although the controls ). Ace Combat 6, Mass Effect, Too Human, Assassins Creed etc, etc...will (hopefully) be great.

I play both consoles and Pc. I love both consoles and Pc. I prefer Pc. Thats my opinion.

Now can we please stop having this argument :rolleyes:

PeakOutput

both have upsides...........a pc is a better platform for gaming in almost every way IF you have the money to invest in it.

the players are no different imo

Sephiroth_dude

I play both console and pc games,even though I only mainly play rpgs on the my ps2 (eg ff7,grandia,legend of dragoon) I Dont like pc rpgs (eg,baldurs gate,diablo)anyone i've tryed,I found it unfullfilling and did'nt enjoy them,and I play fps and stratergy games on my laptop,and I find playing stratergy games and fps on my laptop more fulfilling and enjoy them more than I would if i was playing them on a console.Even though I do enjoy playing the odd shooter on my ps2,its very rare that i do anyway.So it works both ways with me,I like playing games on both =D

Zillah

johnny_ultimate wrote:

One of the things I dislike about alot of PC gamers is how elite they seem.

Haha! Why thank you, thank you very much.

Perhaps the word you were looking for was "elitist"?

Tar.Aldarion

PC>Console
I have both.
There is absolutely no need for the donsole game if the game is on the PC.