2 omaha cash hands

Trippie

We are playing 5 handed omaha in the jackpot late on saturday night,the game is playing 1/1/5 and it is not being raised preflop much and the game has tightened up considerably in the last two hours.


hand 1

im on about 1850 on the button and sammy has roughly 1100 in the sb

its called around to me and i have KcK45h

i make it 30 and get 4 callers the flop comes

6h 5s 3h and its checked around to me and i bet 100 ( should i be betting more or less?)

sammy in the sb then makes it 350 to go and its folded around to me. so should i be calling here or just fold and move on or is raise even a possibility

hand 2
im playing 2000 and the villian is playing 1000

its limped around for 5 and im in the sb and complete with A J 7 2

flop comes 7d 7s 5d

i bet out 20 and its raised behind to 65 by a tight solid cash player who i figure has 5's in his hand so if i hit my kicker it should be good

the turn is the 3s, i check and its made 100, i call?

the river is the 2d

i check and he bets out 125 i call again?should i be raising now that ive hit or does the flat call work best?

Lafortezza

You should be checking behind in hand one on the flop. As played fold to the check raise, especially if the table is playing reasonably tight. Your equity against his range is pretty poor if he's not a terrible player.

Just call hand 2. If he has 75xx then he will be reraising all-in if you decide to check-raise his river bet. If he has 55xx for the under full or just a bare 7 then he will fold to your check-raise.

CaptainNemo

In hand 1 you're drawing to a hand that is liable to get paid off bigtime if you hit it (straight flush) however you need to keep the pot under control so you don't get priced out of it. I would check there. Having been checkraised I don't think you can call.

In hand 2 just call. He may have 75xx or 73xx. You might get paid off if you raise and he has 55 but then again you might not, depends how tight he is. I don't think you can be that sure that he has exactly 55.

kebabfest

Hand 1
I think you know yourself that you shouldnt have bet it originally. The check raise looks strong. Trips ?
You should probably fold although with great difficulty.
I would only call here if I thought that if I hit my card I would be getting paid off.

Hand 2
You've put your opponent on a 5s full of 7s. If I put my opponent on a set hand and believe he has it then I am going to go ALL-IN on the river. If he has 7-5 then fair enough.
However bearing this in mind I dont like your call on the turn to the 100 bet when you believe you're behind. That is seriously chasing.

Trippie

In the first hand called as i figured that one of my draws has to be good as i have two outs for the stone cold nuts and possibly another 7 if he doesnt have the ace high flush draw and is betting perhaps two pair plus the made straight which i thought could be an option as i know i would be calling preflop with 4567 which means i could get a split if i hit my oesd

hand 2

i just called as i figured he would only call me with a better hand although thinking about it now i might have been called as i presume he thought if i was calling with a 7 then i would have to have big cards with to make it worth it and that the two couldnt of really helped me.

CaptainNemo

kebabfest wrote:

Hand 2
You've put your opponent on a 5s full of 7s. If I put my opponent on a set hand and believe he has it then I am going to go ALL-IN on the river. If he has 7-5 then fair enough.

I don't think this is good advice. You can usually only put an opponent on a range of hands, not one specific hand. In this case the betting also makes sense if opponent has a hand like A743 or 8765 or similar. I think raising on the river with the 3rd nuts in Omaha is a good way to go broke.

kebabfest wrote:

However bearing this in mind I dont like your call on the turn to the 100 bet when you believe you're behind. That is seriously chasing.

This is a reasonable point but the opponent has bet less than the pot on the turn, and if we hit our hand on the river we figure to make at leats one more reasonable sized bet so we have implied odds for the call I think.

Ace2007

hand 1 - i would have checked on the flop - then you have the hand under a bit of control.

hand 2 - i would have just flat called on the river.

cardshark202

Hand 1 I would check behind on the flop. Fold now.
Hand 2 I like a minraise here fold to a shove. EDIT this goes on the assumption that you are very certain of your read.

Flipper

Trippie wrote:

We are playing 5 handed omaha in the jackpot late on saturday night,the game is playing 1/1/5 and it is not being raised preflop much and the game has tightened up considerably in the last two hours.

hand 1

im on about 1850 on the button and sammy has roughly 1100 in the sb. Its called around to me and i have KcK45h. I make it 30 and get 4 callers the flop comes 6h 5s 3h and its checked around to me and i bet 100 ( should i be betting more or less?)

sammy in the sb then makes it 350 to go and its folded around to me. so should i be calling here or just fold and move on or is raise even a possibility

I like to check the flop here. The only time I don't like practicing pot control is when I have the nuts with a nut/very big redraw. Playing 5 handed, I like our King high flush to be good if we make it (for now anyway) and therefore, checking it gives someone that might make a bad flush on the turn a chance to voluntarily put some money in the pot. Even if that happens, the bet sizing will be small because you haven't over inflated the pot. You said that the game has tightened up recently so we can assume your hand is advertised as a big pair. Your opponent (whom I don't know unless it's Sammy from Cork) will make this bet with a huge range of hands from any two pair, a set, a pair and a straight or a flush draw etc. Over-representing your hand has put you in a tough spot now as only 1 card (Ah) on the turn can give us the nuts.

I see so often people tie themselves in knots in these situations. You managed to turn a hand with potential into a hand that must be got away from. It's likely you're beat and also possible that you're slaughtered. You haven't invested much so this is a fold for me. You'll find much better spots to play for stacks.

Trippie wrote:

hand 2
im playing 2000 and the villian is playing 1000. Its limped around for 5 and im in the sb and complete with A J 7 2

flop comes 7d 7s 5d

i bet out 20 and its raised behind to 65 by a tight solid cash player who i figure has 5's in his hand so if i hit my kicker it should be good

the turn is the 3s, i check and its made 100, i call?

the river is the 2d

i check and he bets out 125 i call again?should i be raising now that ive hit or does the flat call work best?

If a tight player raises you on this flop he has either 55xx, 75xx or maybe 7Axx. Anyway, you're losing or splitting right now. I definately call here though.

On the brick turn, I'm worried about his bet sizing. Why only 100? To me it means that he wants a caller and now you're not even beating him if he backed into a straight. You're only roughly 12% to make your 6 outs on the river - none of which are clean outs. This spot is really read dependant. With some donkeys, I'll just call (only if I'm sure they'll bet any river) and check raise them on a Jack or Ace river. Obviously, I'm only making this call as I know I have the implied odds. Against the player you describe, I show my 7 and move on.

As played, I hate the river. Although it improved your hand as you are now beating 55xx, I still fancy him for 75xx. Just call and smile as he shows you that I'm right!

RoundTower

I fold the first hand. I think betting is OK though, because you have hit the flop relatively well but will find it hard to make the nuts, so you will rarely want to play a big pot after you check behind. If Sammy plays straightforward/bad enough, you can call the check raise.

The second hand I don't see why you put him on 55, and I don't understand your play if you do. Calling and checking the river is about the worst possible turn/river line. If I really put him on 55 I would check raise the turn big, or if somehow I did call the turn I would lead the river for about 250. Or just fold the turn.

Unless you pay off very lightly he is not value betting the river with a hand you beat, raising here would be terrible as you will never get called by worse.

Killme00

Hand 1 Sammy has the nuts right now with no redraw for the hearts. If he also had hearts he would just call and set you up for the turn. I would definitely call. Also If the board pairs on the turn you will be this pot away from him.

Hand 2 Yes just call