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Some Macau 1k Main Event Hands

  • 13-07-2007 4:33am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭


    forgot to post these after the summer festival. i felt on the day i played pretty bad in general so would like to hear opinions on some critical hands.

    Hand 1:

    at this stage ive been hugely card dead so am probably seen as being somewhat tight although ive c-bet probably every hand ive played and taken almost every pot down without showdown.

    Villian is a good aggressive player. has built a decent stack w/o showing down too many hands. hasnt been caught bluffing in any substantial pots.

    at 100/200 i open to 650 in MP with JJ. villain calls in the cutoff.

    flop: T53 2 hearts. i bet 1.2k. he calls.

    turn: 8h. i have 6k left,villian covers.pot is 4k. hero?

    as played i check,he bets 2k, 6k in the pot i have 6k left.

    now what?



    Hand 2:

    ive started raising more frequently and have taken a hit to my stack and am sitting on ~5.9k.

    villian is young scandi. has been opening frequently in position and is the most aggressive player at the table but has only 3 bet twice so far in about 6 hours play(1hr15min levels IIRC). once he took it down p/f and the other time folded after getting c/raised on a Qxx flop. has travelled over specifically for this tournament so is taking it quite seriously.

    edit: actually thinking back another time he 3-bet a player who opened im MP a shoved over his c/raise on a rag flop when the player was almost certainly pot committed.

    blinds 150/300.

    EP limps i make it 1175 in MP with AKo.Scandi on the button makes it 2500 straight. hero?



    Hand 3:

    very interested in thoughts on this hand.

    utg+1 is by a stretch the worst player ive come up againt in a 1k+ buyin tournament. id guess his range is any pair/facecards/ace rag/high suited cards/suited k's/q's etc. to say that his play has been irrational is a huge understatement.

    MP is a Macau reg. he can appear very spewey sometimes but can play very well and at the best of times is a tricky LAG.

    effective stacks are ~10k. blinds 25/50.

    utg+1 makes it 150 p/f. MP calls. i make it 750 in the c/o with KK. utg+1 calls, MP calls.

    pot is 2325.

    flop: 345r. utg+1 checks, MP checks, i check.

    turn: 8s. utg+1 checks, MP bets 1600, i call, utg+1 calls.

    pot is 7125.

    river: 9s. utg+1 bets 3k, MP folds, i call.


    im particularly interested in the flop check here. at that stage im very willing to get it in vs utg+1 but am quite worried about MP. he plays his big hands strong so will c/raise this flop with a set always. however he'll also c/raise with 22/66/A6s which its very conceivable he has considering he likes to see lots of flops.i think pairs 99- are generally a large part of his range here. any c/raise committs me to the pot here in a tournament with a great structure in which i still have a very playable stack. FWIW me and MP have played a lot togethor and he probably sees me as a solid player capable of making moves.

    is playing pot control too nitty here? should i just bet/get it in? bet/fold?

    turn/river calls standard?


    all comments appreciated.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Captain Tom


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    Would I be correct to say that this is one of the rare occasions where you faced opposition to your flop c – bet? I mean, this is a beautiful spot for him to float you. C – betting the flop again just means that you have 100% of your raising range.

    yeah this kinda bothered me. he hadnt been particularly out of line yet though. he may have been capable of floating here but i think if he decided he was going to try and take it away he would probably have just raised the flop instead. i think the flat call more likely indicates a marginal pair/flushdraw.

    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    The stack sizes make everything all the more awkward. If you shove, he will of course fold all bluffs and bad one pair hands. But you won’t be getting a better hand to fold here.

    stack sizes are what what this hand so tough IMO. bet folding like 2.5-3k on the turn would be pretty horrible and deplete me stack greatly. check calling the turn kinda seems bad too cause there's a ton of cards that can potentially kill my hand. also this leaves me with 4k with the pot standing at 8k. feels like i might have to just shove the turn or fold but c/raising the turn is pretty bad for reasons you already stated. i hate poker.

    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    I don’t get away from AK ever when playing 20BBs or less and raising with any sort of frequency. All in.

    i'd generally agree with this but i always get worried when people make such minimal 3-bets. also but the lack of 3 betting he's done so far. is this just a simple push with less than 20bb's regardless? does it not look like he's enticing action?


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    When you say “spewey”, does MP ever stack himself on that flop with 77?

    i was really unsure of this tbh. from playing with him so much i was almost positive he would c/raise with any pair+oesd combo (which he confirmed afterwards) but wasnt entirely sure what he would do with 77-99. this is why i felt pretty sick about betting. if i bet and he c/raised i really didnt have a clue what to do and didnt want to be in that spot.


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    We shouldn’t want to take a turn against two opponents without inflating the pot a bit – and we will get paid off with rubbish from UTG.

    i guess having utg in the pot makes it a lot easier to bet consider the wide the range of hands he'll pay us off with.


    cheers for the analysis Lloyd. Much appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭HiCloy


    These are some really interesting hands and I'm surprised there haven't been more comments.

    Hand 1:
    Tough spot, but as weak as it seems i check fold the turn. Check calling is out with having half a pot left, and I don't think getting it in here is good

    Hand 2:
    If the player was mediocre I'd fold as this (just over minimum) raise would usually be AA/KK looking for action. Here I'd get it in as you say you've started raising more frequently he may see this as a good spot to test you

    Hand 3:
    I like how you played it. I don't like tht flop too much and would mostly check it. I think however UTG+1 has you beaten on the river a lot as he won't lead half pot into 2 players on the river with air very often, so it depends how "spewey" he is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Captain Tom


    HiCloy wrote:
    These are some really interesting hands and I'm surprised there haven't been more comments.

    i guess i should make my posts shorter from now on.:)
    HiCloy wrote:
    Hand 1:
    Tough spot, but as weak as it seems i check fold the turn. Check calling is out with having half a pot left, and I don't think getting it in here is good.

    i hate this spot but i really hate folding too. against a capable aggressive player i think were ahead here a lot of the time. although i pretty much hate every possible line too.
    HiCloy wrote:
    Hand 3:
    I think however UTG+1 has you beaten on the river a lot as he won't lead half pot into 2 players on the river with air very often, so it depends how "spewey" he is

    utg+1 is by a stretch the worst player ive come up againt in a 1k+ buyin tournament. to say that his play has been irrational is a huge understatement.

    that spewey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭bops


    howdy

    hand 1: yuk - i fold here deffo

    hand 2: i could easily find a fold here - i may just say fk it and lamp them in though! - actually looking at stacks/blinds i probably push and hope for a race

    hand 3: i bet the flop 1600 and fold/push to a reraise depending on my gut - i'm very happy to take that pot down on the flop so early in a decent tourney

    it looks like you had a poxy tourney, one of those one's that everything turns to sh*t - it never seems to happen in the 25 quid rebuy ones :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭sikes


    i think the reason there are so few respones is that these are horrible spots to be in and the right answer isnt very clear.

    h1 - i fold if he is good.
    h2 - i shove, theres a good bit of money in there at this stage though.
    h3 - i would bet the flop, we only have a stack for two streets of poker, id prefer it to be the first two when we have a made hand that wont improve, especially considering the crap player n the hand, we dont want lower PPs going anyway if a overcard hits the turn. How would MP play 77-99 would be check/call? Either way, I prob get it in if he check raises, we prob have enough equity to do so.


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