How the WSOP Has Evolved

Clareman

Hi All,

I was bored the other evening and decided to watch The Brat's first WSOP Bracklet win, I was amazed about changed the game was, I watched the whole final table coverage (I'm in work now, I will post the link when I get home).

I know that it was more than likely just highlights, but I was able to get a read on most players (they only showed the hole cards when the first round of action was complete), I know that I'm not a good card player but this shocked me. Also, Johnny Chan seemed to have been more interested in seeing every pot than winning the thing, he got some good hands.

Also, Hellmeuth was wearing headphone at the final table.

When I was reading the updates on the WSOP ME on worldseriesofpoker.com they mentioned that in the past when there was talk about multiple day 1s that people laughed, now they are talking about having multiple sites for it.

Just wondering how people can see the event changing, personally I don't like the idea of multiple sites, but with the numbers wanting to play this might be their only option.

Also, do you think there will ever be an online WSOP Bracklet given out?

El Stuntman

Clareman wrote:

Also, do you think there will ever be an online WSOP Bracklet given out?

isn't there already some WCOOP yokemajiggy?

5starpool

Thats only a pokerstars thingy though. The way the WSOP is owned by Harrahs, and with their attitude to online players I can't see this happening anytime soon, and if it does it will be only if the legislation in the US is repealed or rewritten so that the big casino players such as Harrahs can get a big slice of that pie too.

Ste05

5starpool wrote:

Thats only a pokerstars thingy though. The way the WSOP is owned by Harrahs, and with their attitude to online players I can't see this happening anytime soon, and if it does it will be only if the legislation in the US is repealed or rewritten so that the big casino players such as Harrahs can get a big slice of that pie too.

I can see it happening for certain IF:
(1) Legislation is changed in US; and
(2) Owners of the WSOP name (currently Harrah's, although there's rumours of it changing hands this year) start up an On-line Poker Room

If both of those things happen, they'd be completely mental not to award the First on-line WSOP Bracelet, I can't think of a better way for a new site to attract players, can you imagine the amount of people wanting to play in that Tournament, it would probably instantly become one of the biggest Poker sites around, good trustworthy name, secure company, and a WSOP Bracelet.

Obviously the 2 IF's are pretty massive IF's but who knows... I still honestly believe the whole US legislation thingy is just a ruse by the Big casino's and the US govt. to smooth the way for Harrah's etc. to open up on-line Poker rooms and for the US govt. to get their "cut" of the taxes... Both of which are worth '000,000,000's

El Stuntman

5starpool wrote:

Thats only a pokerstars thingy though. The way the WSOP is owned by Harrahs, and with their attitude to online players I can't see this happening anytime soon

good enough for dose dirty dog online players anyway, shure 'tis only a glorified video game wit dere Poker Tracker and Shark Scopes and all of dat malarkey

real poker is where you can smell your opponent!

DeadParrot

El Stuntman wrote:

real poker is where you can smell your opponent!

Unfortunately not always a good thing

White Knight

I thought the story on the main page of this site is kinda interesting

http://www.wsop.com/

CaptainNemo

El Stuntman wrote:

good enough for dose dirty dog online players anyway, shure 'tis only a glorified video game wit dere Poker Tracker and Shark Scopes and all of dat malarkey

real poker is where you can smell your opponent!

I think smell is a big unconscious component in people with good "reading" skills, they are responding to pheromone indicators. If you find yourself at a table with a guy with a big nose, wear lots of deodorant and aftershave to throw him off.

Blip

Ste05 wrote:

If both of those things happen, they'd be completely mental not to award the First on-line WSOP Bracelet, I can't think of a better way for a new site to attract players

From a business point of view this makes perfect sense, but would it really appeal to people wining a bracelet online?

What happens if you win one, is it FedX'ed to your address? Even bringing you over to Vegas all paid, for a ceremony wouldn’t be the same as it would be after the event and all the money in placed in your online account already and a live final table would mean its not totally online anyway.

Dunno, somehow it seem like online would cheapens the live event, the prize, the bracelet and the experience and would probably be bad for the live WSOP events in the long run.

LuckyLloyd

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corblimey

Blip wrote:

From a business point of view this makes perfect sense, but would it really appeal to people wining a bracelet online?

What happens if you win one, is it FedX'ed to your address? Even bringing you over to Vegas all paid, for a ceremony wouldn’t be the same as it would be after the event and all the money in placed in your online account already and a live final table would mean its not totally online anyway.

Dunno, somehow it seem like online would cheapens the live event, the prize, the bracelet and the experience and would probably be bad for the live WSOP events in the long run.

Maybe they could follow those big LAN parties they're always showing on Gamer.tv and everyone brings their PC to a giant final table

My fave quote from those old WSOP shows is from 1973, where they had 13 runners and the announcer said with some surprise that it was "the largest field ever"!

http://www.pokertube.com/SearchMovies.aspx?FreeText=1973

Clareman

The buy in for the WSOOLP (World Series Of On-Line Poker) would be interesting, could you imagine paying 10k to play on-line (or am I just too innocent??)

I can see in a few years there being Day 1s and 2 being held all over the globe and then day 3 (and beyond) being in Vegas. Say they have 12 day 1s with 1000 people in each, each day gets narrowed down to 500 players going into Day2, that leaves 5000 to play day 2 (could be a different venue), if the pay out is for 1000 players, then each venue playes untill there 200 people left in each (that leaves 2400).

The in vegas you can have 3 day 3s with 800 people starting, whittle this down to 400 and then you move into the final few days.

Sorry if my tourney structure isn't right prize wise, but I think it could work out, and could you imagine top prize? With 120 million in the kitty it would be nice

El Stuntman

CaptainNemo wrote:

I think smell is a big unconscious component in people with good "reading" skills, they are responding to pheromone indicators. If you find yourself at a table with a guy with a big nose, wear lots of deodorant and aftershave to throw him off.

good tip Nemo, I prefer to pour some meths over myself and then roll around in the gutter for few minutes

confuses the pros no end

jimmii

There was an online Finnish event with a $10k buy-in and Stars have just introduced a weekly $10k HU event on Sunday's. The WCOOP main event was $5.5k or around that and the prize pool was $4.5million so people are willing to pay the money online.

ArmaniJeanss

Clareman wrote:

I can see in a few years there being Day 1s and 2 being held all over the globe and then day 3 (and beyond) being in Vegas. Say they have 12 day 1s with 1000 people in each, each day gets narrowed down to 500 players going into Day2, that leaves 5000 to play day 2 (could be a different venue), if the pay out is for 1000 players, then each venue playes untill there 200 people left in each (that leaves 2400).

The in vegas you can have 3 day 3s with 800 people starting, whittle this down to 400 and then you move into the final few days.

I don't think this'll happen. The organisers want you to come to Vegas, spend your money in their casino etc, not play from 1000 down to 200 somewhere in London/Berlin/Dublin whatever.

And from a players p.o.v (mine anyway) the lure of Vegas is almost as big as the lure of the WSOP itself... I wouldn't be bothered entering a WSOP satellite if winning it didn't even get me to Vegas.

Blip

corblimey wrote:

http://www.pokertube.com/SearchMovies.aspx?FreeText=1973

That’s a great piece of film there, and the voice over commentary from Jimmy "The Greek" is brilliant, imagine $10K buyin in 1973, will that ever change?

Ste05

Blip wrote:

Dunno, somehow it seem like online would cheapens the live event, the prize, the bracelet and the experience and would probably be bad for the live WSOP events in the long run.

The thing is, from what I've been reading and just general observations is that the whole thing has already been cheapened, all Harrah's etc. care about is Profits (as they should as a Profit driven company) and how much money they can suck out of the WSOP name while Poker is riding so high.

Blip wrote:

What happens if you win one, is it FedX'ed to your address? Even bringing you over to Vegas all paid, for a ceremony wouldn’t be the same as it would be after the event and all the money in placed in your online account already and a live final table would mean its not totally online anyway.

Yeah why not, fly the winner over to LV, hold a great press extravaganza and more lovely exposure for the company and website. Even fly the whole Final Table over and hold it Live, who knows the possibilities are endless, but could be a huge publicity drive if done correctly. They could make a huge big hullabaloo (sp?) about it, how the internet just crowned the first Bracelet winner and the previous 50 years (or whatever) the event has been Live, a great little angle for a Poker room to exploit... how technology has finally caught up with, blah, blah, blah, (more sh1te for the general public and press to eat up and start playing Poker)

Clareman,

You do realise there are games that run on-line with $300/$600 NL, there has often times been well over $1,000,000 on the table??

$10k buy-in tournament wouldn't really be that huge, most people would probably satellite into it anyway, just like the WSOP ME.

Ste05

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

And from a players p.o.v (mine anyway) the lure of Vegas is almost as big as the lure of the WSOP itself... I wouldn't be bothered entering a WSOP satellite if winning it didn't even get me to Vegas without the missus.

Just added a little bit there for us attached folks. :rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Total cost for entering all of the WCOOP events on Stars in September this year will be over $16k. I'll probably play a few of them myself and will donate a few bob trying to qualify indirectly for the ME.

I assume they do Satellites of all shapes and sizes?

LuckyLloyd

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Blip

Ste05 wrote:

The thing is, from what I've been reading and just general observations is that the whole thing has already been cheapened, all Harrah's etc. care about is Profits (as they should as a Profit driven company) and how much money they can suck out of the WSOP name while Poker is riding so high.

Yeah why not, fly the winner over to LV, hold a great press extravaganza and more lovely exposure for the company and website. Even fly the whole Final Table over and hold it Live, who knows the possibilities are endless, but could be a huge publicity drive if done correctly. They could make a huge big hullabaloo (sp?) about it, how the internet just crowned the first Bracelet winner and the previous 50 years (or whatever) the event has been Live, a great little angle for a Poker room to exploit... how technology has finally caught up with, blah, blah, blah, (more sh1te for the general public and press to eat up and start playing Poker)

Fully understand WYS and it will probably go that way, I'm sure Harrah's will put any spin on it they can, pole faced conviencing everyone in the poker world that the live FT is an exceptable means of winning the WSOOLP Bracelet except I think that many OL Pros would'nt give a toss for a bracelet that had to be won in a live FT (unless that played on their laptops=bad spectater sport=low advertisements) which would dilute the tourney anyway. Still Harrahs would'nt give a Sh1t eitherway, hence;

Blip wrote:

From a business point of view this makes perfect sense,

edit to try fix quate brackets

Ste05

To be the first winner ever of an On-line WSOP bracelet, (not a WSOOLP, a genuine WSOP bracelet) would be something that loads of players would want. Who cares about what the On-line Pro's want, we (players) want loads and loads of Fish in the tournament, that is what would attract the "Pro's".

And having the Final Table Live was only just an idea, but certainly is something that I'm sure most on-line players would like (expenses paid trip to Las Vegas!!), you know we're not all afraid to come out of our house without our Laptops... LOL

corblimey

Clareman wrote:

Say they have 12 day 1s with 1000 people in each, each day gets narrowed down to 500 players going into Day2, that leaves 5000 to play day 2 (could be a different venue), if the pay out is for 1000 players, then each venue playes untill there 200 people left in each (that leaves 2400).

I personally think the ME anyway has peaked. They will never hit 12000 main event players. The other events like the shootouts and the HORSE events may get more and more popular, but the ME has lost a lot of its prestige over the last few years and is becoming more donkish as time goes by. Perhaps they need to double or triple that buy-in.

White Knight

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Total cost for entering all of the WCOOP events on Stars in September this year will be over $16k. I'll probably play a few of them myself and will donate a few bob trying to qualify indirectly for the ME.

http://www.pokerstars.com/wcoop/

Clareman

I stay well away from those high stake games for a reason

Satellites would oviously be the way most people would qualify, either that or there would be a lot of sponsored entries.

I think that a lot of pros would be interested in playing online in a WSOP, I saw where a number of them only play in the ME cause they are obliged to, they know that they have less of a chance than most to get past day 1 due to donks wanting to bust them so they have a story to tell