turbo install skyline

thetourist

has anyone here installed an aftermarket turbo to a skyline - i mean to one which wasnt turbocharged to begin with - is it the case that any non turbo skyline could be turbocharged - how expensive is it ( for a typical/average/bestvalue one ) - and is it a job for the weekend warrior or a specialist - if anyone knows where i could get a quote it would be helpful
thanks

Liam Wicklow

Sell the N/A & buy a turbo - its the cheapest, easiest, most relieable way. + there are loads of r32 33 & 34 turbos out there waiting to be thrashedQ!

thetourist

Liam Wicklow wrote:

Sell the N/A & buy a turbo - its the cheapest, easiest, most relieable way. + there are loads of r32 33 & 34 turbos out there waiting to be thrashedQ!

sorry - what's N/A -

i presume non turbo or something - i want the gts4 r33 4 door ( nice shopping list:D ) and it is 190bhp - which is fine but i'm wondering about if i wanted to later would i be able to increase it's power -
actually i heard that an exhaust change was the best value way of improving a skyline's power -- anyone know how much can be gained

i dont know a lot about it but i have a figure in my head of 240bhp because that's the power of my mate's bmw but that's only pie in the sky anyway - i am really just wondering about potential because the 190 is fine one way or the other and i am buying it probably anyway pending other things

thanks

bennyx_o

thetourist wrote:

sorry - what's N/A

Naturally aspirated. No forced induction (turbo/supercharger)

Liam Wicklow

A standard r33 rb25det will make 235 - 250 at the rear wheels no more unless there is a large list of mods (including turbo upgrade)

I think 240 from the non-turbo may be a tad ambitious, you really are better off with the turbo - it shouldnt cost you any more on the insurance as once you mention skyline its going to be pricy.

& yeah N/A is naturally aspirated

FOGOFUNK

You would be crazy to spend that amount of money modifying a N/A liner, look at the amount of turbo skylines on carzone! You cant just drop a turbo into a car, the whole engine block has to be reinforced to cope with the high air pressure, not to mention new exhaust manifold, intercooler, air intakes etc, the list can go on.

If you want a weekend warrior job buy a turbo skyline and get a bigger turbo for it. Even thats pushing it.

layke

Like anything it's cheaper to buy as a whole package rather then parts.

Tbh if you import it yourself direct from Japland you'll save a fortune again.
Problem is you may end up with a bogey..or you may end up with a winner.

thetourist

thanks for info

actually i am getting the r33 gt4 one way or the other (it's the only car that has everything i want on it - the turbo is down the list quite a bit - i was just wondering about it that's all ) - so given that it doesnt have a turbo on it, i guess i will be using it without a turbo; but that's fine - as i said it's the fact that it's 4 door 4wd are the main parts that i want, and i will just have to get used to having ONLY 190hp (i suppose that would still be respectable and get me past lorries a bit faster than average) . I did consider the r32 gt4 which is turbocharged but i would rather get a newer car and i slightly preferr the r33 anyway. I would actually like an r33 gtr 4 door but i think they are rare enough.

That said i will probably do anything else i can to increase the power. so i might change the exhaust ( this is just something i heard that would work ) or put an induction kit on it - anyone know of any other posibilities for another few extra bhp.

i saw a thing called an electric supercharger that claims to add 30 bhp - it looks like an induction kit with an electric motor on it - i guess they are not as good as they claim - anyone ever used one


Yes i AM thinking of importing my own car - how risky is it - the auctions give you auction sheets - how reliable are they - and how much could i save ( for instance on a car that cost 8.500 here i worked out very roughly that i could get it from japan for 6000 all told - does this sound about right ??? ). i did find a car that was almost perfect but it was a fixed price and you cant get the sheets for them so for all i know it could have a big scrape out of view in the photos and a dodgy clutch or god only knows what. I have to admit i am still tempted to buy it and deal with the aftermath when i get it.


totaly different subject - probably should be in a different thread (sorry mod) -
but i want to use this car as my main car and i need it to be pretty reliable - so how would a well looked after low mileage r33 compare to some modern car regarded as reliable and how are they for parts/service ? i am guessing that 97 skylines cant be as reliable as 2005 cars but would they even be in the same ballpark.
my local nissan garage seemed a bit shakey when i was talking to them. not that i'd be afraid of going to an independant garage but if it had a F.n.S.H. then i'd like to keep it.

thetourist

FOGOFUNK wrote:

You would be crazy to spend that amount of money modifying a N/A liner, look at the amount of turbo skylines on carzone! You cant just drop a turbo into a car, the whole engine block has to be reinforced to cope with the high air pressure, not to mention new exhaust manifold, intercooler, air intakes etc, the list can go on.

If you want a weekend warrior job buy a turbo skyline and get a bigger turbo for it. Even thats pushing it.

yes as you can tell i dont know a lot about this - i was going on the idea that the RB25DE engine is the same as the RB25DET except without the turbo and intercooler - so i didnt think you'd have to modify the engine - i was just thinking that you could get a turbo, intercooler, air intake, gauges etc etc for a RB25DET and put it on the RB25DE - i know this might be a case of a litte knowledge can be a dangerous thing but i am curious - but are the two engines not the exact same except for the extra turbo bits on the DET ??

i can see that it seems way too much for me to handle myself but would the cost be prohibitive to get a pro to do it. i wouldnt mind spending a couple of grand if i got a good result because i might have spent that on a gt-r anyway.

thanks for your help

Liam Wicklow

190bhp on a 4wd skyline will make 140 at the wheels at best ~(tdi teritory)- it will drink juice - be hard on tyres need regular services. engine is pretty robust if looked after though.

thetourist

Liam Wicklow wrote:

190bhp on a 4wd skyline will make 140 at the wheels at best ~(tdi teritory)- it will drink juice - be hard on tyres need regular services. engine is pretty robust if looked after though.

you dont sound at ALL like you have a problem with this

blastman

To be honest, I don't see the point of turboing a car when there is a turbo version available out of the box. To turbo a car properly is a time-consuming and expensive business (if you want to do it properly, that is). I can see the point if you fancy a turbo version of a car that doesn't come with a turbo normally, but when you can buy a turbo version of the same car anyway? Pointless, in my opinion.

thetourist

blastman wrote:

To be honest, I don't see the point of turboing a car when there is a turbo version available out of the box. To turbo a car properly is a time-consuming and expensive business (if you want to do it properly, that is). I can see the point if you fancy a turbo version of a car that doesn't come with a turbo normally, but when you can buy a turbo version of the same car anyway? Pointless, in my opinion.

basically i want a 4wd 4 door and that is only available as a turbo in the r32 version, which is not really the model i want for a variety of reasons - i know it's fussy, but as i explained in the post, the priorities go in this order :
1)4 door
2)4wd
3)power

- of course if the 4door, 4wd car is slugish or a real gas guzzler i will prob just buy a subaru or evo instead unless i could boost the gt4's power a bit, but aparently that's impossible

AsphaltRisin'

thetourist wrote:

basically i want a 4wd 4 door and that is only available as a turbo in the r32 version, which is not really the model i want for a variety of reasons - i know it's fussy, but as i explained in the post, the priorities go in this order :
1)4 door
2)4wd
3)power

- of course if the 4door, 4wd car is slugish or a real gas guzzler i will prob just buy a subaru or evo instead unless i could boost the gt4's power a bit, but aparently that's impossible

It's not impossible at all, you could ger a remapped ecu, proper exhaust and induction kit, go down the old school route of gettin ported and polished head, and also fit bigger fuel injectors, but it'd actually be quite expensive to do that compared to the power gains you'd get.
You could buy a turbo engine and swap that with your non turbo one, that's an option of you realy want that 4 door R33.

As for the guy who was quotin 140 bhp at the wheels for a standard non turbo 2.5 non turbo skyline and sayin "that's tdi territory": It's not (that would be above what tdi's make), because tdi Audis and VW's make 130 and 150bhp max as standard for the high spec engines, so you'd lose a lot of that through the drivetrain, 140bhp at the wheels, if that's even close to the real figure would still be better than a tdi VW. It's also got 4WD so has much better grip/traction than a stupid lump of a front wheel drive diesel volkswagen (which get ridiculour torque steer and understeer ).

Liam Wicklow

TDi's make up to 250bhp from the factory matey, plus they produce twice the torque of a petrol, (who mentioned VW?)

so yes a 2.5 N/A 4wd skyline would be in TDi territory,

i had a r33 rb25det, it made 286bhp @ TRW, it aprox lost 40bhp throuth the drivetrain, the 4wd system would loose upwards of 70 from the flywheel rate.

AsphaltRisin'

Liam Wicklow wrote:

TDi's make up to 250bhp from the factory matey, plus they produce twice the torque of a petrol, (who mentioned VW?)

so yes a 2.5 N/A 4wd skyline would be in TDi territory,

i had a r33 rb25det, it made 286bhp @ TRW, it aprox lost 40bhp throuth the drivetrain, the 4wd system would loose upwards of 70 from the flywheel rate.

Yeah like feckin landrover V6 diesels, nissan navaras, beemer 3 litres and Jag diesels (basically the landrover unit again) etc but any one of them is gonna be way worse to drive than a skyline.
I'd like to know what exact Tdi engine you're talkin about here...
Oh yeah and i aint nobody's "MATEY" so let's not get overly familiar here.
The VW/Audi reference was for an example of a commonly tuned up diesel engine by the way, an dto be fair now anything that's gin to have a 250bhp standard turbodiesel engine form the factory will cost a hell of a lot more than a old non turbo r33 skyline, and also not not be a sportscar, so you can't reallly compare it anyway.

Anyway, @thetourist: I still hold out my point that you'd be as well off get the car you really want, and get a turbo motor fitted to replace your standard non turbo, and then sell the old unit

Liam Wicklow

Agressive young man aint you "AsphaltRisin"

What i am trying to explain to the lad who is looking for the nisssan is that if he wants power from a skybus he is going to need a turbo, and if he gets one with 4wd its deffinatly going to sap its power to a level in the region of tdi's, r33 weighs aroung 1500kg's wet its a lot to haul around..

New "skoda octaiva vrsTDI 212" has a import version producing 247bhp at the fly & 212@ the wheels

End of,

@ the tourist good luck in finding your car, plenty of choice out there in skylines!