Name of song

Tim Robbins

Hi,
I was watching the God channel at the weekend. There was an evangelical concert on in a footbal stadium.
They kept playing this great song that went

"burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re,
burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re,
burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re,
burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re,"

and then it would go "buring the fire of lord" or something like that. It was about letting God burn his fire. It was actually really catchy and I can't get it out my head. Does anybody know the name of it?
Cheers

Splendour

Hi Tim,

Lyrics vaguely familar. Will have a look/listen to couple of CD's and if come up with anything will let you know.

S

Tim Robbins

Splendour wrote:

Hi Tim,

Lyrics vaguely familar. Will have a look/listen to couple of CD's and if come up with anything will let you know.

S

Thanks.
Have you ever go to one of these concerts?
It looked amazing.

PDN

Tim Robbins wrote:

Thanks.
Have you ever go to one of these concerts?
It looked amazing.

In a few weeks I will be travelling to a week long youth festival where some of the best Christian bands play to 8000 kids in a big tent. We take about 30 of our teenagers from church to this event each year. It really is something special.

Tim Robbins

PDN wrote:

In a few weeks I will be travelling to a week long youth festival where some of the best Christian bands play to 8000 kids in a big tent. We take about 30 of our teenagers from church to this event each year. It really is something special.

Just as a matter of interest what percentage of these children would have a good knowledge of evolution theory?
i.e.
1. Explain the Scientific method.
2. Explain how that validates evolution theory.

philologos

completely unrelated to the original post.

Tim Robbins

Jakkass wrote:

completely unrelated to the original post.

I checked with the original poster before I wrote that.

PDN

Tim Robbins wrote:

Just as a matter of interest what percentage of these children would have a good knowledge of evolution theory?
i.e.
1. Explain the Scientific method.
2. Explain how that validates evolution theory.

I don't know and don't really care. Most of them are much more interested in finding out how to cope with their parents' divorce or their breaking up with their last girlfriend. Evolution theory is probably of zero relevance to most of them.

robindch

PDN wrote:

Evolution theory is probably of zero relevance to most of them.

Quite possibly they believe so -- though evolution will throw some light on both the divorce and the breaking-up that you mention. Anyhow, I'll bet you a fiver that evolution is not of zero interest to the people running the show

Tim Robbins

PDN wrote:

I don't know and don't really care. Most of them are much more interested in finding out how to cope with their parents' divorce or their breaking up with their last girlfriend. Evolution theory is probably of zero relevance to most of them.

Interesting. High interest in Christianity, low interest in Science.
Out of interest, do you think Science in general should be of zero relevance?

Not trying to get a dig in. I am just constantly fascinated why people make choices and do what they do particularly w.r.t. to Religion as there doesn't seem to be a hard and fastened rule.

PDN

Tim Robbins wrote:

Interesting. High interest in Christianity, low interest in Science.
Out of interest, do you think Science in general should be of zero relevance?

Not trying to get a dig in. I am just constantly fascinated why people make choices and do what they do particularly w.r.t. to Religion as there doesn't seem to be a hard and fastened rule.

No, I think science is of enormous benefit to mankind (sometimes) and I thank God for those who work for the betterment of the human race through scientific research. I enjoy reading the odd bit of stuff dumbed down for a scientific ignoramus like me. I did enjoy Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything, but then Bryson is always entertaining.

Most Christians I know really don't care how old the world is. I can think of maybe one or two people in my church that have a bee in their bonnet about it & keep trying to lend the rest of us videos by Ken Hamm, but most congregants view those folks as being a bit unbalanced. Most of us would be much more interested in how we as Christians can live better lives and be good witnesses for Christ rather than worrying about the age of the earth.

philologos

I think you'll find that not every atheist or agnostic would be very interested in scientific method & evolution either. It would be of little or no concern to a lot of people.

Son Goku

Jakkass wrote:

I think you'll find that not every atheist or agnostic would be very interested in scientific method & evolution either. It would be of little or no concern to a lot of people.

That's probably not true actually. The average atheist is usually somebody with science as one of their primary interests.

robindch

...to which I'd add that the non-religious people I know take a much wider view of what "science" is than do, for example, some posters in the creationism thread. ie, it's thought of as everything that's know about the world we live in, so comments like "I'm not interested in science" sounds to many people disconcertingly close to "I'm not interested in knowing about the world I live in".

Tim Robbins

PDN wrote:

No, I think science is of enormous benefit to mankind (sometimes) and I thank God for those who work for the betterment of the human race through scientific research. I enjoy reading the odd bit of stuff dumbed down for a scientific ignoramus like me. I did enjoy Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything, but then Bryson is always entertaining.

Most Christians I know really don't care how old the world is. I can think of maybe one or two people in my church that have a bee in their bonnet about it & keep trying to lend the rest of us videos by Ken Hamm, but most congregants view those folks as being a bit unbalanced. Most of us would be much more interested in how we as Christians can live better lives and be good witnesses for Christ rather than worrying about the age of the earth.

Ok, thank you for sincere honesty.
I guess where I am coming from is a person who is fascinated why people do what they do. Now my feelings would be is Science seriously challenges Theology. I am not saying it negates it all but it certainly challenges it's so called monopoly on "truth".

Sometimes I wonder does a really passionate Christian brain lack interest in Science, do they avoid it? Is it kept from them? Or do they (if excuse me here not trying to be rude) not have the ability to digest it? Failing all that, I seriously wonder how they deal with supporting both at the same time. That's all.

I have never met a passionate Christian that has a very good understanding of Science. Any I have met, holds some part of their Christianity with doubt.

I know there are some John Houghton and William Reville that call themselves Christians but they what I would call very liberal Christians or Christian cherry pickers - nothing wrong with that of course.

Fanny Cradock

Son Goku wrote:

That's probably not true actually. The average atheist is usually somebody with science as one of their primary interests.

For such a short statement there are a lot of generalities there.

Anyway, I really dislike the imaginary divide that is drawn in the sand: Christians on one side; atheists on the other. Never the twain shall meet! The underlying implication here is that you can't believe in God and also believe in science because both are irreconcilable. Indeed, from the small sample of atheists I have encountered, I get the impression that some think science strictly the reserve of those who don't believe in God. In college I was immersed in science, so I would disagree.


So, "burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re", anyone?

Sangre

Fanny Cradock wrote:

The underlying implication here is that you can't believe in God and also believe in science because both are irreconcilable.

I don't think most atheists would have any problem making that statement regarding any mainstream religion.

philologos

Son Goku wrote:

That's probably not true actually. The average atheist is usually somebody with science as one of their primary interests.

If we were to compare the average teenage atheist to the average teenage Christian. I don't think they'd express more of an interest in science. It was this age bracket that people were discussing.

PDN

Tim Robbins wrote:

I have never met a passionate Christian that has a very good understanding of Science. Any I have met, holds some part of their Christianity with doubt.

What do you mean by science? Are you just referring to research scientists, for example? Would you see medical doctors as having a good understanding of science?

Son Goku

Fanny Cradock wrote:

For such a short statement there are a lot of generalities there.

Obviously, I'm not the Journal of Sociological Statisitics. The average (i.e. general) atheist usually has science as one of their major interests. What is the generality you disagree with there? I'm not even talking about Chrisitians.

JimiTime

Sangre wrote:

I don't think most atheists would have any problem making that statement regarding any mainstream religion.

But would they be correct?

Son Goku

Jakkass wrote:

If we were to compare the average teenage atheist to the average teenage Christian. I don't think they'd express more of an interest in science. It was this age bracket that people were discussing.

Jeez, you aren't allowed away with anything. Imagine if what the Beer Guts & Receding Hair forum would be like with this attitude.

Poster 1: A lot of people like to scratch their arse.
Poster 2: That's a generality, some people don't have an arse.
Poster 3: It was teenage arse scratchers we were talking about.

Fanny Cradock

Tim Robbins wrote:

Sometimes I wonder does a really passionate Christian brain lack interest in Science, do they avoid it? Is it kept from them? Or do they (if excuse me here not trying to be rude) not have the ability to digest it? Failing all that, I seriously wonder how they deal with supporting both at the same time. That's all.

Oh my! Point in hand ^ You raise a valid point, but ughhhhh!

I have a book on order at the moment, Tim. I'll loan it to you when I'm done.

The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis Collins, M.D., Ph.D., and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. He is a devout Christian.

Really, this generalisation regarding a persons inability to incorporate the realm of science into their life based on ones faith is quite appalling. It oozes elitism and arrogance. It's strangely odd that ungrounded generalisations slip so easily from the tongue (or flow from the finger) of those so keen on stressing the importance of empirical knowledge.

Tim Robbins

Fanny Cradock wrote:

For such a short statement there are a lot of generalities there.

Anyway, I really dislike the imaginary divide that is drawn in the sand: Christians on one side; atheists on the other. Never the twain shall meet!
The underlying implication here is that you can't believe in God and also believe in science because both are irreconcilable. Indeed, from the small sample of atheists I have encountered, I get the impression that some think science strictly the reserve of those who don't believe in God. In college I was immersed in science, so I would disagree.


So, "burn your fiiiiiiiiiiiiii-re", anyone?

Allow me to clarify please.
Fundamentalist Christians - people who believe in the Bible with very little or no doubt in the literal truth usually don't have a strong interest or understanding of Science.

Christians who have an interest in Science, understandling of Science doubt quite a lot of the Bible. John Hughton for example, thinks that the Christians who believe in Genesis are quite sad and depressing.

William Reville cherry picks his way through Christianity.

Have I clarified where I am coming from?

Tim Robbins

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Oh my! Point in hand ^ You raise a valid point, but ughhhhh!

I have a book on order at the moment, Tim. I'll loan it to you when I'm done.

The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis Collins, M.D., Ph.D., and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. He is a devout Christian.

Really, this generalisation regarding a persons inability to incorporate the realm of science into their life based on ones faith is quite appalling. It oozes elitism and arrogance. It's strangely odd that ungrounded generalisations slip so easily from the tongue (or flow from the finger) of those so keen on stressing the importance of empirical knowledge.

It is not a generalistion I split them up into categories:

1. The Christian who has little or no interest in Science

"Does a really passionate Christian brain lack interest in Science, do they avoid it?"
2. The Christian who is unaware of Science
"Is it kept from them?"
3. The Christian who is unable of understanding Science
"do they (if excuse me here not trying to be rude) not have the ability to digest it?"
4. The Christian who understand Science but then cherry picks Christianity.
"I have never met a passionate Christian that has a very good understanding of Science. Any I have met, holds some part of their Christianity with doubt."

What categories did I leave out?

philologos

I'll at least come out and say that Science doesn't particularly interest me. I've always preferred learning about philosophies, theologies or belief systems as opposed to Science. It's just the way I am. It's not that I was brought up in this way, it's just the way I became.

Tim Robbins

Jakkass wrote:

I'll at least come out and say that Science doesn't particularly interest me. I've always preferred learning about philosophies, theologies or belief systems as opposed to Science. It's just the way I am. It's not that I was brought up in this way, it's just the way I became.

Science is a derivative of philosophy IMO.

philologos

Tim Robbins wrote:

Science is a derivative of philosophy IMO.

Not closely enough related for me to attain an interest I'm afraid.

Tim Robbins

Jakkass wrote:

Not closely enough related for me to attain an interest I'm afraid.

Fair enough whatever rocks your boat.
Does anybody know the name of that "burn your fire" song?