How low could I go?

g5hn710m4xpdwy

Well with a new build coming up I (my dad) dont have alot of money to spend. The closer I can this too €1000 the better.

EVGA GeForce 8800GTS KO ACS3 640MB GDDR3 , HDCP, PCI-Express, 2xDVI-I, 320bit
433.00

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, P35, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, 1333FSB, 2xPCI-Ex16
137.00

Intel Pentium E2140 1.6GHz Socket LGA775, 1MB, BOXED w/fan
75.01

OCZ DDR2 PC6400 2048MB KIT, Titanium XTC, w/two 1024MB, CL4-4-4-15, EPP
133.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00

AKASA Amber Series Ultra quiet Fan 120mm Twin ball bearing, 18 db(A)
39.00 (getting 3)

Fortron/Source Epsilon 700W, Blue Fan, Active PFC, ATX/EPS, SLI, 20/24pin
143.00

Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S183A, 18x, Dual, Black, OEM, SATA
67.80 (getting 2)

Noctua NH-U12F, 4 Dual-Heat-Pipes, 120mm fan, 17dB(A), socket 775/754/939/940/AM2
61.00

Zalman 5.25" 6-Channel Fan Control
33.00

Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 500GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
99.95

Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard, LCD, USB, US Layout
75.00

Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse, USB, PS/2
43.50

Total:1,668.26

That is from komplett.ie
I would really preferr to buy all from the one website.
I chose the stuff with overclocking in mind I would like to get the E2140 as close to 3.0ghz as possible if not more. Apperntly they are hot chips therefore I have some..5 or 6 fans (some come with the case) and a nice big hsf. I already have a 400gb hdd so I could probably ditch the new one If I had to. I chose the MoBo because it should be a good overclocker and I can go SLI and Quadcore at upgrade time. The grafics card is more bling and future proof. I could probably ease back on it but I dont want to spend much money in the future.

So, where can I cut back? and will this all work together?

Thanks

CarefulNow

Spec that up at www.hardwareversand.de for starters.

challengemaster

so spec the rest up on hardwareversand and get the E2*** elsewhere? you'll save about 200 on the 8800gts alone..

g5hn710m4xpdwy

OK so they didn't have all the same stuff. I swapped stuff around and kinda er, upgraded some stuff..

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Tray 2048Kb, LGA775, 64bit
96,64 €

2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX XMS2 CL 5, PC6400/800
87,04 €

Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R ,Intel P35, ATX, PCI-Express
121,98 €

ASUS GF-8800GTX T2xD,768MB ,NVIDIA 8800GTX, PCI-Express
495,18 €

NEC AD-7170A schwarz bulk
33,54 €

HITACHI DeskStar T7K500 500GB SATA II HDT725050VLA360
110,86 €

ATX-Netzt. Super-Flower Aurora 500W
69,36 €

Coolermaster Cavalier3 Schwarz CAV-T03-UK ohne Netzteil
57,92 €

Asus VW192S, 19" Widescreen
157,81 €

be Quiet-Zusatzlüfter 8x8 cm BL001
5,99 €

Scythe S-Flex Gehäuselüfter 1600rpm
11,65 €

Scythe Ninja Plus Sockel 478,775,754,939,940
38,70 €


Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
64,81 €

Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse USB / PS2
35,89 €

Zalman ZM-MFC1 Lüftersteuerung 5,25"
The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
20,41 €

Sum: 1.407,78 €

Yeah I think I will get stuff form this site and some from Komplett. Nice prices on some stuff

awhir

challengemaster wrote:

so spec the rest up on hardwareversand and get the E2*** elsewhere? you'll save about 200 on the 8800gts alone..

more like 100e.

also get a case elseware the case on hardwareeversand is very bad!

L31mr0d

also don't get your keyboard from hardwareversand, you will get a german one.

papu

Umlauts FTW!

dazftw

You also dont need a GTX for a 19"

Unless it suppports 1680 X 1050 Res?

CarefulNow

Yeah a 320mb gts would be better a option unless you are going to upgrade to a big monitor.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

My brother has a 22" that it might get a bit of use with. It's more for not going to have low fps for the next while and I can overclock to Ultra spec? I will do out a minimum spec over the 2 in a little while.
I always liked that case... Guess I will go for the P180.

Will I notice much differnce between the EVGA and the Asus branded 8800's? Or any other brand for that matter

awhir

nope no diffrence in any stock brand

challengemaster

well.. there are certain things.. like club3d cards will be cheaper - still as good. EVGA cards afaik get lifetime warrenty.. etc..

awhir

challengemaster wrote:

well.. there are certain things.. like club3d cards will be cheaper - still as good. EVGA cards afaik get lifetime warrenty.. etc..

i was talken about performance

challengemaster

i know you were, you foolish boy! i was just stating any other differences

g5hn710m4xpdwy

So they all overclock equally? and say I got a Club 3d now I could get an EVGA for SLI in the future?

CarefulNow

For SLI the cards have to be identical I think.

nibble

CarefulNow wrote:

For SLI the cards have to be identical I think.

EVGA, Club3D, Asus etc. are all identical, all designed by Nvidia and manufactured by Foxconn. To the OP go GTS 320 for that res without a doubt.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

OK So I am making a list split over the 2 sites now:

Hardwareversand:
2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX XMS2 CL 5, PC6400/800
87,04 €

Club3D 8800GTS, 320MB, NVIDIA Geforce 8800GTS, PCI-Express
248,98 €

ATX-Netzt. Super-Flower Aurora 500W
69,36 €

Sum: 405.38 €


Komplett:
Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00

Intel Pentium E2140 1.6GHz Socket LGA775, 1MB, BOXED w/fan
75.01

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, P35, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, 1333FSB, 2xPCI-Ex16
137.00

Samsung SpinPoint T166 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
59.96

Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182D, 18x, Dual, DVDRAM 12x, Black OEM
30.70

AKASA Amber Series Ultra quiet Fan 120mm Twin ball bearing, 18 db(A)
39.00

Noctua NH-U12F, 4 Dual-Heat-Pipes, 120mm fan, 17dB(A), socket 775/754/939/940/AM2
61.00

Zalman 5.25" 6-Channel Fan Control
33.00

Total: 763.67


Total: €1169.05
As you might of noticed I made a few cutbacks. Is there any more I could take?

Thanks

DirkVoodoo

Yeah, difference comes down to the box, warranty and bundled software. Seeing as you will be downloading the latest drivers anyway and most bundled software these days is a letdown even for high end cards, get the cheapest one you can.

I bought an XFX 8800 GTS 320MB of HV for €245, came with a cd including drivers and 2 games, both from over 5 years ago.

nibble

Flunked wrote:

OK So I am making a list split over the 2 sites now:

Hardwareversand:
2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX XMS2 CL 5, PC6400/800
87,04 €

Club3D 8800GTS, 320MB, NVIDIA Geforce 8800GTS, PCI-Express
248,98 €

ATX-Netzt. Super-Flower Aurora 500W
69,36 €

Sum: 405.38 €


Komplett:
Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00

Intel Pentium E2140 1.6GHz Socket LGA775, 1MB, BOXED w/fan
75.01

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, P35, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, 1333FSB, 2xPCI-Ex16
137.00

Samsung SpinPoint T166 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
59.96

Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182D, 18x, Dual, DVDRAM 12x, Black OEM
30.70

AKASA Amber Series Ultra quiet Fan 120mm Twin ball bearing, 18 db(A)
39.00

Noctua NH-U12F, 4 Dual-Heat-Pipes, 120mm fan, 17dB(A), socket 775/754/939/940/AM2
61.00

Zalman 5.25" 6-Channel Fan Control
33.00

Total: 763.67


Total: €1169.05
As you might of noticed I made a few cutbacks. Is there any more I could take?

Thanks

Get a Scythe Infinity over the Noctua it's better and cheaper (€39 @ hardwareversand). You can get the 320GB Samsung for €65 also at hardwareversand, I'd upgrade the CPU to an E4300 for an extra €21. Ditch the Akasa Amber's they suck, S-flex's are a lot better and finally get an asus IP35 for 113.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

Will do but I havnt heard anyting (good) about the Asus for overclocking. It's mainly the gigabyte and Asus P5B
EDIT: thinking of going all out on the Infinity - 4 fans? I would go for the E4300 but I am looking for the lowest possble and be able to upgrade then too quadcore this time nextyear (maybe)

nibble

Flunked wrote:

Will do but I havnt heard anyting (good) about the Asus for overclocking. It's mainly the gigabyte and Asus P5B
EDIT: thinking of going all out on the Infinity - 4 fans? I would go for the E4300 but I am looking for the lowest possble and be able to upgrade then too quadcore this time nextyear (maybe)

The IP35 should be good, it's basically the same as the Pro version less some of the features like IO panel cmos clear switch and a few other minor things. Any P35 will clock pretty well, 500FSB should be easily doable with a bit of tweaking. On the infinity two fans in push-><-push has been shown to be best, I'll find the link, also mount it with bolts if possible the stock mounting system isn't great. I'd strongly suggest you go with the E4300, for ~€20 more it's worth it.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

OK Edited again:
Hardwareversand:
2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX XMS2 CL 5, PC6400/800
87,04 €

Scythe Infinity Sockel 478,775,754,939,940,AM2
39,00 €

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Tray 2048Kb, LGA775, 64bit
96,64 €

Club3D 8800GTS, 320MB, NVIDIA Geforce 8800GTS, PCI-Express
248,98 €

HITACHI DeskStar T7K500 250GB SATA II HDT725025VLA380
53,10 €

Scythe S-Flex Gehäuselüfter 1600rpm
11,65 € 58,25 €

ATX-Netzt. Super-Flower Aurora 500W
69,36 €
Sum: 652,37 €

Komplett:
Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

ABIT IP35-E, P35, Socket-775, ATX, SATAII, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex16
108.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182D, 18x, Dual, DVDRAM 12x, Black OEM
61.40 (getting 2, one at 30.70)

Zalman 5.25" 6-Channel Fan Control
33.00

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard, LCD, USB, US Layout
75.00

Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse, USB, PS/2
43.50

Total:
648.90

Total: €1301.27
This time I didnt forget Keyboard and mouse.

Ok: I could save 30 euro by only going for 1 drive and take a drive from this.
I could save 20 euro and get a Hanns.G monitor from a mate (same spec if not better)
Thats about €1250. Not bad but would love it to be less.
The mobo: it doesnt have SLI so SLI upgrade in a year or 2 wont quite work out
I could probably same another 2--30 quid on the keyboard but I really want that one. Any ideas where I could go less rather than up?

I ordered 5 of the Sflex fans: 1 more for the Scythe, then 4 for the case. Althought I could probably take away 2 and save 22 quid. I think 3 fans come with the case.

the_syco

OP, how about this:

Komplett.ie

• 330167 - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8GHz Socket LGA775, 2MB, BOXED w/fan (info)
• 327806 - ABIT IL9 PRO, Intel 945P, Socket-775, ATX, SATAII, DDR2, GbLAN, PCI-Ex16 (info)
• 313834 - Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 2048MB Kit w/two matched Value Select 1024MB (info)
• All above for €260

• Tagan i-Xeye 500W, Dual Fan, Blue LED, 4xSATA, ATX/EPS, SLI, 20/24pin
• €116.00 (a cheap PSU may f*ck your entire rig)
• Thermaltake Armor Black, Aluminium Front , 25 cm Fan, Super tower (Without PSU)
• €166

• Samsung SpinPoint T166 320GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
• €69.95

• Sony Floppy Drive, 3,5" 1,44MB White Floppy Drive Internal
• €7.50

• EC DVD±RW burner AD-5170 IDE White OEM, DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer)
• €31.50

Overclockers.co.uk

• EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (320-P2-E811-AR)
• €286.45 (incl VAT @ 21%) or £159.99 which is €236.74 if you exclude the VAT

€936.95 excluding shipping, k/b, mouse, and a monitor

nibble

Flunked wrote:

OK Edited again:
Hardwareversand:
2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX XMS2 CL 5, PC6400/800
87,04 €

Scythe Infinity Sockel 478,775,754,939,940,AM2
39,00 €

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Tray 2048Kb, LGA775, 64bit
96,64 €

Club3D 8800GTS, 320MB, NVIDIA Geforce 8800GTS, PCI-Express
248,98 €

HITACHI DeskStar T7K500 250GB SATA II HDT725025VLA380
53,10 €

Scythe S-Flex Gehäuselüfter 1600rpm
11,65 € 58,25 €

ATX-Netzt. Super-Flower Aurora 500W
69,36 €
Sum: 652,37 €

Komplett:
Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

ABIT IP35-E, P35, Socket-775, ATX, SATAII, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex16
108.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182D, 18x, Dual, DVDRAM 12x, Black OEM
61.40 (getting 2, one at 30.70)

Zalman 5.25" 6-Channel Fan Control
33.00

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard, LCD, USB, US Layout
75.00

Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse, USB, PS/2
43.50

Total:
648.90

Total: €1301.27
This time I didnt forget Keyboard and mouse.

Ok: I could save 30 euro by only going for 1 drive and take a drive from this.
I could save 20 euro and get a Hanns.G monitor from a mate (same spec if not better)
Thats about €1250. Not bad but would love it to be less.
The mobo: it doesnt have SLI so SLI upgrade in a year or 2 wont quite work out
I could probably same another 2--30 quid on the keyboard but I really want that one. Any ideas where I could go less rather than up?

I ordered 5 of the Sflex fans: 1 more for the Scythe, then 4 for the case. Althought I could probably take away 2 and save 22 quid. I think 3 fans come with the case.

Dang, those S-Flex's add up. I'd tell you to get Yate-Loons but ChilledPC is the only place in Europe that sells them. Unless you really want the KB, get a saitek eclipse, damn fine keyboard and about half the price. Ditch the fan controller, just get fairly silent fans to start with and you can always 7v mod them if you want. I'd be very wary of that PSU too it has all the hallmarks of a bad topower/channel well build, it has only 35A on the 12v rail, go for the 550W Be Quiet! over that.

awhir

nibble wrote:

Dang, those S-Flex's add up. I'd tell you to get Yate-Loons but ChilledPC is the only place in Europe that sells them. Unless you really want the KB, get a saitek eclipse, damn fine keyboard and about half the price. Ditch the fan controller, just get fairly silent fans to start with and you can always 7v mod them if you want. I'd be very wary of that PSU too it has all the hallmarks of a bad topower/channel well build, it has only 35A on the 12v rail, go for the 550W Be Quiet! over that.

go for aska ambers there great for there price !

that list the_syco made is great !

DirkVoodoo

Cheapest 8800GTS 320 on HV is €246. Komplett need to be a wee bit more competitive.

awhir

DirkVoodoo wrote:

Cheapest 8800GTS 320 on HV is €246. Komplett need to be a wee bit more competitive.

well i think the Vat in germany is only 7% so thats why allout of german sites are cheaper .

Catalyst

Flunked wrote:

OK Edited again:

Komplett:
Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor, Widescreen, Silver/Black, 500:1, 8ms
179.00

Antec Performance One P180 Miditower, Black, Aluminum (Without PSU)
149.00
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182D, 18x, Dual, DVDRAM 12x, Black OEM
61.40 (getting 2, one at 30.70)

Save 50 Euros

http://www.elara.ie/members/viewwishlist.asp?wishid=121

g5hn710m4xpdwy

Mmmmkay.
So many options is getting me confused. I dont want to boost the price up at all but I will do it for the PSU and I dont want to risk a spike and kill the system.

Fans: I kinda over did how many fans I should get. I could get 2 (for the case only) and stay stock with the HSF. I would like a controller as the case is not going to have easy acsess once it is in.

Case: I like that case but where it is going it wont be seen unless I take a drill and a jigsaw to my desk and cut a window in the desk:D Actualy... Thats an idea. Also, are those cases good cooling and quiet?

Graphics: Since they all seem to be the same I would rather same 40 eurons with the Club3d card.

DVD: I will only get 1 and take the CD-RW from this. Leaving this with jsut a dvd-rom.

Keyboard: I actualy did up a cheaper list after that which I didn't post. the Saitek Elipse was the keyboard I used.

HDD: I currently have a 400GB HDD in this which will most likely be formatted and put into the new pc, the 250 (may even go less) is only to keep this rig running as it has the power to run CSS and it is good enough for media and office use.

Monitor: I have decided to get a 19" widescreen from a mate for 159 ;-/

I think that is evrything. I will check through OcUK for some deals.
Catalst: I dont have an account with Elara and cant make one with out a card to pay... Think you could post the list up here?

Thanks all...

Catalyst

Its a publick wishlist so i do'nt think you need to login

http://www.elara.ie/members/viewpwishlist.asp?wishid=121

but here it is anyways...

PHILIPS - MME1514427 - 190WV7CS 19IN LCD 1440X900 190WV7CS 800:1 5MS
€169.00
ANTEC - ECE1224000 - P180B EU P180B-EU/Advanced Super Mid Tower , unique dual chamber structure for noise and heat dampening , ATX , No PSU ( takes any ATX 12v PSU ),11 drive bays, front access USB+Firewire ports - Black -UPC code 0761345-09181-7
€118.99
LITE-ON - MMEB940427 - LH-20A1P-12C DVD+-R/RW/DL/RAM IDE BULK BLACK +20X8X8X -20X6X8X R12X
€29

g5hn710m4xpdwy

OK I'm back people
I was looking back at Hardwareversand and came up with this, I think its alot more for not much more last time, were their cutback an everything as well as Intel?

HardwareVersand wrote:

Chieftec CH-01SL-SL-B-400 400W Chieftec "Mesh-Serie"
Delivery date unknown 88,86 €

NEC AD-7173A LabelFlash schwarz DVD+-RW/+-R- Laufwerk IDE
ready for dispatch 33,34 €

Club3D 8800GTS, 320MB, NVIDIA Geforce 8800GTS, PCI-Express
ready for dispatch 247,89 €

Samsung HD501LJ 500GB 7200,16 MB Cache
ready for dispatch 90,62 €

Gigabyte GA-945P-DS3 Rev 3.3, Intel 945P, ATX, PCI-Ex
ready for dispatch 67,33 €

2048MB DDR2 Corsair TwinX CL 4, PC6400/800
ready for dispatch 92,77 €

BenQ FP222WH wide, 22", HDMI, DVI
ready for dispatch (only 1 article) 280,84 €

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
ready for dispatch 64,28 €

Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse USB / PS2
Delivery date unknown 35,62 €

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 boxed, 8192Kb, LGA775, 64bit, Kentsfield
ready for dispatch 238,10 €
Sum: 1.363,61 €

I am wondering if the stock PSU will do? And is the case any good (cooling and sound) Anything else I should add/remove as I plan to do a bit of OC'ing. I should probably add some fans and a cpu cooler for that then. Also, will the 8800GTS power the 22" lcd though games at a fairly decent FPS? ( I will upgrading from a 5200FX )

daveharnett

dabs.ie will do an antec p182 for €123 http://www.dabs.ie/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4JV3

L31mr0d

Flunked wrote:

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
ready for dispatch 64,28 €

DO NOT GET YOUR KEYBOARD FROM HWV... unless you like all your symbols messed up and german letters all over your keyboard. Seriously I made this mistake thinking "sure I never look at my keyboard when typing" which is true for letters, but its headwrecking for symbols "ok so the * is actually ( and the + is actually ~..."

Also do you really need a labelflash DVD-RW??? who even uses that??? Other than that everything else looks fine.

Anti

L31mr0d wrote:

DO NOT GET YOUR KEYBOARD FROM HWV... unless you like all your symbols messed up and german letters all over your keyboard. Seriously I made this mistake thinking "sure I never look at my keyboard when typing" which is true for letters, but its headwrecking for symbols "ok so the * is actually ( and the + is actually ~..."

Also do you really need a labelflash DVD-RW??? who even uses that??? Other than that everything else looks fine.

Re-map your keyboard layout then noob

Hendrix89

Surely he should get the 8800GTX?? It will last much longer seeing as very soon very demanding DX10 games will be coming out. Not many people will be playing them much higher than 1280x1024 I can imagine, even with an GTX... I myself regret getting the GTS. I have only a 19'' monitor and even at 12x10 I can't say I experience over the top framerates... Very good, but it doesnt show much headroom for upcoming, more advanced games...

Then again I know nothin as you all know. I just have a feeling about this:p

g5hn710m4xpdwy

daveharnett wrote:

dabs.ie will do an antec p182 for €123 http://www.dabs.ie/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4JV3

Yeah I would go for that case had been looking at them and want one but
a) I'v heard alot of horror stories about buying from dabs.ie
b) It doesn't come with a power supply so that could make it to over €200 wiht the case and PSU.

L31mr0d wrote:

DO NOT GET YOUR KEYBOARD FROM HWV... unless you like all your symbols messed up and german letters all over your keyboard. Seriously I made this mistake thinking "sure I never look at my keyboard when typing" which is true for letters, but its headwrecking for symbols "ok so the * is actually ( and the + is actually ~..."

Also do you really need a labelflash DVD-RW??? who even uses that??? Other than that everything else looks fine.

Yeah I noticed that after I posted this, I had been told before but it completely went out of my head, Do you (or everyone else) think it would be worth waiting for the new G15 to come out?
I dont need labelflash but I would like it

Hendrix89 wrote:

Surely he should get the 8800GTX?? It will last much longer seeing as very soon very demanding DX10 games will be coming out. Not many people will be playing them much higher than 1280x1024 I can imagine, even with an GTX... I myself regret getting the GTS. I have only a 19'' monitor and even at 12x10 I can't say I experience over the top framerates... Very good, but it doesnt show much headroom for upcoming, more advanced games...

Yeah I was thinking that, but if I would have to get a GTX I would have to go back to the 19" widescreen becuase of the price, and then having the GTX wont really be needed and a bit of a waste.


Thanks everyon, I hope I can get this in time for Gamecon XII but I doubt it.

macplaxton

awhir wrote:

well i think the Vat in germany is only 7% so thats why allout of german sites are cheaper .

Eh? German VAT was 16% until the end of last year and is now 19%. UK is 17.5%, but the carriage costs are silly. UK prices aren't too bad if you're within the UK.

I think it's cheap to do a German order from Ireland because the low carriage costs.

7% Lower German VAT rate is on food and agricutural stuff.