Observable Phenomenon

6th

There have been alot of discussion/threads recently which have danced around this idea without hitting it on the head, imo.

What I am talking about here is not subjective experiences observed only by those seen to be psychic, sensitive or whatever. I am also not talking about measureable phenomenon or rather I am not currently concerned with the measuring element of it all.

I am looking at phenomenon that can be observed by anyone.

This could be a case where an object moves, where a mass such as a figure/shape appears and is observable by all in the area.

Other threads have suggested the carrying out of rituals and such to observe a phenomenon. This is a very valuable idea which has been over run by the discussion of the nature (good/evil) of the phenomenon, which for the sake of discussing the paranormal is irrelevant.

So, am I talking about activities such as ouija boards where items are said to move and people have been said to have been thrown across a room? YES. Am I talking about ceremonies/rituals which are said to conjur observable energies/entities? YES.

Though I do not wish to seem disrespectful towards groups who use these ceremonies I do think there is non-faith based value in studying the activities which could be concidered paranormal. The idea is not just focused on "magic" but on any activity which is believe by people to produce phenomenon i.e. urban legends such as "Bloody Mary".

I understand that the idea of Bloody Mary is very hollywood and even silly but if carrying out of the ritual for the sake of observing (or not observing) it has any worth then its worth looking at.

Opinions and ideas? Please note this is not set out as a discussion of faith/belief based ideas. Good or Evil is irrelevant with regards to this discussion.

6th

amazingemmet

6th wrote:

Other threads have suggested the carrying out of rituals and such to observe a phenomenon. This is a very valuable idea which has been over run by the discussion of the nature (good/evil) of the phenomenon, which for the sake of discussing the paranormal is irrelevant.

Just breezing by as i do.

While your idea is a good one, the premise of working a ritual of one group or another. The idea breaks down at the point of its takes a huge amount of training to realise the mental focus to actual effect reality on a tangible level. Its not something you just decide to do with a group of friends it just won't work. Just remember the ritual is just to focus the mind to get it working on the right levels for something to happen. Think of it as a psycho drama.

I share with you that most rituals are irrelevant and tis the state of mind thats the most important. Ask any practioner what is the most successful spell or ritual they used and 90% will say one that they made up on the spot.

All that said there is aload of other phenomom that are fully observable that might be easier to try capture

6th

I Understand that its the intend thats important, its somethign I have said many times on here.

I dont mean this thread to be for anyone who wants to experience phenomenon but rather for those serious about investigating and observing the paranormal. Putting that committment to good use and researching activities so as to produce phenomenon in a fashion which will leave it open to observation to any witness.

6th

amazingemmet, if you have any suggestions of phenomenon which may suit this type of study it would be great if you could share?

Nevyn

I have seen felt and noted temp changes during rituals and have used all at once electronic and mercury and alchol termometers, also athomosphere pressure with barometers in the ritualspace and two outside.

amazingemmet

6th the most relevant situation to what you your looking to observe happened to me and a group of about 20 people on the island of aran mor off the coast of letterkenny near dunloe.

It was an irish college and we were returning home after the nights activities and when over the hill beside the road something similar to a horse but not quite with a rider on its back all emanating a strange sort of glow rode down jump onto the road stared at one of the guys then rode off over the field beside and into the sea about 600m away. 20ish people that night seen it and when pushed the islanders, alot of them will know about it or have seen it. It wasn't a ghost but was defintely something from elsewhere. Might be worth trying to track down that.

Also on the intent point of view that is one part of the key but the intent needs to be carried out with full confidence completely and unshakable.

Nevyn

But is that phenomenon repeatible from a scienctific point of view and recordible ?

amazingemmet

I'm not sure if its repeatable on demand but it happens quite a bit from what I gather so it might be recordable for some lucky person.

Bee

6th wrote:

I Understand that its the intend thats important, its somethign I have said many times on here.

I dont mean this thread to be for anyone who wants to experience phenomenon but rather for those serious about investigating and observing the paranormal. Putting that committment to good use and researching activities so as to produce phenomenon in a fashion which will leave it open to observation to any witness.

So much is subjective experience and alledged experiences of people claiming to be "sensitives"

As a starter I woud suggest you try a tightly controlled EVP recording. Electronic Voice Phenomena (google it but I am sure you know what I am speaking of)

The interpretation of the words of the voices recorded may be open to conjecture but the actual recording can be analysed as a real magnetic imprint on a tape.

Cheers

hiorta

Could I suggest that before embarking on various experiments, you try to raise yourself spiritually and I don't mean just for the occasion.
The Natural Law of Attraction applies - you will have heard of 'like attracts like' - and you are likely to draw to yourself that which reflects your motives. Such influences, being non-physical, are very difficult to identify and even more difficult to shift, once established.
It is a worthwhile task, but like all tasks an awareness of what's involved is best - necessary, even.

Saying 'prayers' is utterly useless, but leading the sensible lifestyle and helping those less fortunate than yourself is a good beginning.

6th

Some of that might sit if I was having a spiritual discussion but for the sake of what I am taking about her spirituality and personal belief is irrelevant. Its all too subjective and opinion based, your comment about prayer being usless just highlights that perfectly.