Referee - Dublin v Offaly - Biased or what?

PRman

I am 100% convinced that Michael Collins the ref in the Dublin v's Offaly game has a handicap bet of Offaly +5 or some other bet beacuse his decisions were baffling. He penalised Dublin about 5 times for too many steps about 2 steps after they had soloed the ball. He gave about 3-4 free-kicks to awfully when it was clear to 80,000 fans, 2-300,000 TV viewers and the pundits that they should have been Dublin frees. He booked Dublin players for nothing challenges and ignored the fact biffos where hitting Dublin players off the ball. Anyone agree/disagree? Also how is Colly Moran captain?? He's not even inter-county standard, never mind captain. Shane Ryan should be captain.

Pride Fighter

He was a bit biased. There is the incident when he gave a free for too many steps less than a second after conal keaney got on the ball. Both teams were poor on the day but the game would have flowed better if there was a better ref. Colin Moran is captain as he is a good leader in training and all the players respect him. I think he should not be in the team, Jayo should start on the 40 instead. The extra week of rest for the final will do the Dubs good and we should beat Laois in the final by 5 points. Up the Dubs!!

The Rooster

Collins rode us good. Luckily it didnt really matter.

Agree that I'd like to see Shane as captain.

Collie is a bit of an engima. You won't get a better man to run at pace with the ball. He has bucket loads of talent. I once saw him kick two points from 40 metres within 2 minutes of each other, one with right foot, the other with his left. Yesterday he worked really hard and mopped up a lot of loose ball. However, he often ran into cul-de-sacs and his miss from 21 yards was shocking.

popebenny16

Yes, he was a terror all right. Example: Jayo shoulders Offaly player and bounces off him. His legs were at right angles, away from the Offaly back. Collins gives a free to the Offaly lad who points. Reason given by Collins? Illegal use of the foot. On the replay netier commentator could see any reason for it, nor for the Keaney steps one, nor when Keaney was fouled on the touchline... yet he was carded......

On another day it might have mattered, even RTE were talking about Sympathy frees and points during the second half.

Dosnt matter now, but its one of those things that seem terribly important when you're watching a match. Maybe the referee's assesor will have a word with him.

PRman

Collie Moran has talent alright but I don't see any keane-like leadership qualities in him. I think that's the thing Dublin lack badly. A great leader will raise their game when the chips are down and refuse to see their team steamrolled like we were against Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo, etc...

Anyway the GAA should realise Collins will cost them a few million if the Dubs are knocked out - money talks at the end of the day... reckon Collins was laying the Dubs -6 on betfair on saturday night the sneaker hoor...

Waylander

The Rooster wrote:

Collins rode us good. Luckily it didnt really matter.

Agree that I'd like to see Shane as captain.

Collie is a bit of an engima. You won't get a better man to run at pace with the ball. He has bucket loads of talent. I once saw him kick two points from 40 metres within 2 minutes of each other, one with right foot, the other with his left. Yesterday he worked really hard and mopped up a lot of loose ball. However, he often ran into cul-de-sacs and his miss from 21 yards was shocking.

I think he should be dropped. That miss was awful, and the next time he got the ball he had to carry it over the 14 meter line so he could legally fist it over the bar as he didnt have the confidence to kick it from further out, bit of a ridiculous characteristic in one of your more experienced Half Forwards. There was also the shot he kicked over the bar in the Meath match which should have been a goal, even if he was off balance. I would rather see B Brogan or Jayo on the half forward line than Collie.

As for the ref I thought he was woeful but fortunately it didnt effect the result. He should not be getting any more inter county games after that performance.

Pride Fighter

The 3 Cork hurlers were talking about an anti Cork bias in the GAA and media. What a load of crap. There is an anti Dublin bias in the GAA, as evidenced by the crap ref and in the media, as Colm O Rourke always slams the Dublin supporters and the team. All Dubs know that every culchie wants to see us lose. Hopefully we can prove them wrong and win Sam for the first time in 12 years.

Aedh Baclamh

Nowhere near as bad as the ref for the first Meath-Dublin game. Now he was awful.

Nalced_irl

The ref was terrible. At one point im quite sure an Offaly man went down to pick the ball on the run, missed it and fell into a Dublin player in front of him and got a free for it. Couldnt understand it! The ref in the Meath Dublin game was bad but he was bad to both sides. It can be argued that Dublin got the better of the decisions that day but i would disagree. I think he was equally as awful to both sides. Collins was 100% against Dublin. It also seemed that unless the Dublin players stayed completely silent after a free was given, it was moved forward.

modmuffin

Ref was absolutely terrible, didnt let the game flow atall, I was pretty baffled by a lot of his decisions.

Collie had a bit of an off day with the shooting, every palyer has these, pity as his work rate was 2nd to none as usual. Presonally id prefer see him in the half back line, but pillar has him in the half forward line to win the breaking ball, collect ball around the middle of the field and deliver it in to the full forward line. A Job which he does very effectively.

Keaney also had a couple of misses

I thought B Brogan was pretty impressive, wouldve liked to see him on a bit longer. Personally i wouldve taken quinn off first.

CAsey got caught out a couple of times, we need more from him next day.

Whelo had an excellent game, got a hand to every kick-out

Quinn was much better than the last game, he shouldve went for goal early on. Id prefer see a fit JAyo in instead of him for the next day, with B Brogan keeping his place on the wing.

Up the Dubs

hawker

Pride Fighter wrote:

The 3 Cork hurlers were talking about an anti Cork bias in the GAA and media. What a load of crap. There is an anti Dublin bias in the GAA, as evidenced by the crap ref and in the media, as Colm O Rourke always slams the Dublin supporters and the team. All Dubs know that every culchie wants to see us lose. Hopefully we can prove them wrong and win Sam for the first time in 12 years.

In the name of God, how is there an anti Dublin bias in the GAA. The media coverage the Dubs receive is the best in the country by a long way. While Michael Collins is indeed a shocking referee can you explain how 'Whelo' failed to receive a card for his blatant strike on an Offaly player? Or maybe you Dubs have Arsene Wenger symdrome.

Kinetic^

hawker wrote:

While Michael Collins is indeed a shocking referee can you explain how 'Whelo' failed to receive a card for his blatant strike on an Offaly player? Or maybe you Dubs have Arsene Wenger symdrome.

You answered your own question there!!!!

hawker

Kenny 5 wrote:

You answered your own question there!!!!

And how come the Dubs failed to mention that in their assessment of him?

cgf

Collins should not be allowed into Croke Park even with a ticket. He is poor and attempts to cover up his inability by becoming over officious and ruins matches.

Have a look at quote # 4 on this link

http://www.anfearrua.com/story.asp?id=1237

Kinetic^

hawker wrote:

And how come the Dubs failed to mention that in their assessment of him?

Hold on and I'll use my psychic powers :rolleyes:

hawker

Kenny 5 wrote:

Hold on and I'll use my psychic powers :rolleyes:

Just as I thought!!

Kinetic^

hawker wrote:

Just as I thought!!

Damn and I thought I was the only one with these powers!!!!!

We, the dubs, didn't include them in our assessment as 99% of the bad calls went against Dublin.

hawker

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that Collins is rubbish. He has been rubbish for years. I'm sure there is no county in Ireland that he hasn't peed off with his stupid decisions.

I'm just amazed how Whelan has been getting away with elbows and punches for a number of years and the so called anti Dub media failing to mention it everytime.

I don't think Dublin have what it takes to win an All Ireland. As mentioned above Collie Moran is not up to it. Mossy Quinn doesn't contribute anything now since he was relieved of the free taking duties. IMO Dublin are seriously short in the half forward line. I also reckon Casey is a bit dodgy.

As a matter of interest where is O'Shaughnessy these days? Is he still on the panel?

Kinetic^

This thread is about the ref, not about the all-ireland and who's going to win it.

hawker

:rolleyes: Your debating skills are second to none. It's funny how other posters have mentioned how Dubs are performing in their posts and you didn't comment.

Is it the fact that I made a comment against your beloved Dubs that irks you?

Kinetic^

hawker wrote:

:rolleyes: Your debating skills are second to none. It's funny how other posters have mentioned how Dubs are performing in their posts and you didn't comment.

Is it the fact that I made a comment against your beloved Dubs that irks you?

Negative, it's the fact that you asked a question yet answered it at the same time but are still turning out jibberish with every post.

The ref was muck, we all agree but he shafted Dublin several times. And you're complaining about 1 single incident with Whelo? :rolleyes:

hawker

I wouldn't consider it jibberish - I'd consider it giving my opinion as I'm entitled to do.

And just because it was only one incident, does that mean I'm not allowed mention it in the thread? You mightn't agree with me but less of the jibberish stuff.

dgrif88

hawker-have to agree with u on a couple of points re the dublin team.

colly moran is a half back-end of story. its a f*ckin joke at this stage that hes still in half forward line. casey should be dropped (a long time ago) and colly half back.
our half forward line is too small and too weak.mossy is a corner forward-end of story.so is b brogan. we need bonner back in half forwards big time.

also our forwards play as individuals and not as a team.ok it didnt really matter yestarday but ffs we should be hammering them they are seriously m uck.

as for the ref. i actually started laughing at one stage.he was a complete joke.
backed dubs 7-9 so i wasnt happy but sure what can you do.
nicky brennan will be happy with him probably because he was consistent!

Nalced_irl

More comments on peoples debating skills. Once again, most people arent here to debate. If you dont think the ref was completely anti-Dublin, you must be completely blind. Whelo didnt punch the guy anyway. It was an open palmed push on the chest, an aggressive push yes, but not a strike. There was a completely identicle one a bit later by an Offaly player on a Dub who was getting up from the ground and he pushed him aggressively back down with Collins right over it and he did nothing. Just watching the game again there and i think the Whelo incident was the only one that went Dublins way all game. The Jayo one at the end was a joke, Keaneys over-carry was ridiculous and generally any chance he got to penalise Dublin he did. Also Keaneys booking should have been a free to Dublin. Fair enough Keaney reacted and deserved the booking but it was a blatent Dublin free.

Also, on your point about the forwards playing as individuals dgriff, i think the best example was Brogan. The 2 goal chances he had, he should have laid inside. Both times there were free men with a clear goal but he didnt even look. The second he got the ball he was only looking at goal.

dgrif88

a brogan was defo the biggest culprit yesterday.he should have passed inside to keaney instead the ball went out for sideline!!
hes greedy player by nature but just needs to look up at times. hes still class act and by far our most dangerous forward. good to see jayo get 30 mins yest. hes great at bringing other players into game. the complete opposite to brogan.

Atomic Pineapple

Nalced_irl wrote:

There was a completely identicle one a bit later by an Offaly player on a Dub who was getting up from the ground and he pushed him aggressively back down with Collins right over it and he did nothing.

only really had the game on in the background as it was a boring non contest of a game and might aswell have been a training session for dublin but when i seen this i couldnt help but laugh, if i remember correctly an offaly player sort of fell with a dublin player and lost the ball, the ref blew for a free and the offaly player was up with the ball while the dublin player was kind of still on the ground and didnt get up straight away, the offaly player went up to and threw a kind of weak punch into the face of th dublin player, the ref ran up told the dublin player to get up, gave him a yellow and gave offaly the free, couldnt believe it, should hve been a red fo the offaly player o atleast a yellow and a throw in ball, was disgracefull refereeing

cournioni

I was at the match as a neutral and I thought he was terrible for both teams...