300 People Caught Cheating

justbringit89

In the star sunday today that 300 students have been caught cheating in the last 4 years , Interesting fact but oviously its higher but these are the reistered ones , TUT TUT

Marathon Man

When I done my leaving cert, there was this guy in my class who really hated physics. Solution: Get a friend who studies science in university to sit the paper.
I was sitting right behind this guy and could barely contain my amusement. Result: The cheater got an A1 in physics and a nice degree course for himself.
Those figures you quote certainly don't surprise me. I would say for every 1 caught, 10 get away with it.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Marathon Man wrote:

When I done my leaving cert, there was this guy in my class who really hated physics. Solution: Get a friend who studies science in university to sit the paper.
I was sitting right behind this guy and could barely contain my amusement. Result: The cheater got an A1 in physics and a nice degree course for himself.
Those figures you quote certainly don't surprise me. I would say for every 1 caught, 10 get away with it.

That takes balls, fair play, but at the end of the day, it's of a fairly low moral standard.

There was a huge amount of cheating in a...school I know of. Lads just leaving folders of notes in the jacks. The invigilators copped on some time around biology, but there's nothing they can do without solid proof. There was also answers being whispered across the exam hall.

It's shocking stuff, but I don't get too worked up about it because the people that do it are going to do shít leaving certs anyway.

Aard

Did nobody say, "Hey! Hey you! Not-in-my-class physics guy!"? How'd he manage to get away with that?

qwertplaywert

because there too busy actually doing the exam that will basically deside their life to care

lemansky

I heard of some superintendants just not caring about cheating.After the aura;s they let the students ask each other questions,change answers etc.I can't remember what school it was in but I wouldn't have minded that...

Idiots. Every single person is made aware of the consequences of if you cheat and are caught before the leaving cert happens, and most people have heard about being barred from state examinations etc. etc. etc.

ZorbaTehZ

A bit off-topic, but a guy I know who does the supervision in a certain remote area of west Galway, allows the students up to 30 minutes extra in some exams, and also starts the exams about 5/10 minutes earlier when he can.
I mean some of the things that happen all over Ireland I would say are crazy. I remember another certain guy I know during his JC geography test, he didn't have any pencils or coloring pencils with him, so he told the examiner and he went around looking for some from other students. 'Twas quite lol tbh.

Timans

ZorbaTehZ wrote:

A bit off-topic, but a guy I know who does the supervision in a certain remote area of west Galway, allows the students up to 30 minutes extra in some exams, and also starts the exams about 5/10 minutes earlier when he can.
I mean some of the things that happen all over Ireland I would say are crazy. I remember another certain guy I know during his JC geography test, he didn't have any pencils or coloring pencils with him, so he told the examiner and he went around looking for some from other students. 'Twas quite lol tbh.

Meh, it's only Junior Cert, I didn't have colouring pencils for mine, Got em off another guy in me class.

fionated7

i was tempted to send a supertalented mate into my music practical but decided against it..... wouldve been a certain 50% in the bag

sd123

ZorbaTehZ wrote:

A bit off-topic, but a guy I know who does the supervision in a certain remote area of west Galway, allows the students up to 30 minutes extra in some exams, and also starts the exams about 5/10 minutes earlier when he can.

well, i had a supervisor like that in this years L.C. was really handy tbh to get an extra few minutes in maths, applied maths and tec drawing:D
during paper 2 in higher maths for example, he gave out the papers about 15 minutes early and gave out to people who arrived 10 minutes early telling them they were late!
in higher maths, i had the circle question finished bout 9:28 which is before the exam officially starts:D
I'm the only student in my school who sat applied maths this year and i got the paper at bout 1:42. I did an extra question and at 4:40 he said to 'START' finishing up. dragged it out for bout an extra 8 minutes before starting to put a treasury tag and graph paper etc. and sticking my booklet together. Was nearly 4:55 by the time i walked out of the hall.

Those extra minutes make a huge difference when it comes to fighting for the high grade though but i wouldn't cattegorise it as 'cheating' tbh:o

going back to the original post, my friend went to the toilet during this years higher irish paper 1 and started texting someone he knows whos fluent, he reckons that this may have brought him up a grade. he never got caught, just shows how easy it is if you're able to live with your conscience afterwards

fitzgese

sd123 wrote:

Those extra minutes make a huge difference when it comes to fighting for the high grade though but i wouldn't cattegorise it as 'cheating' tbh:

i totally disagree. cheating means gaining an unfair advantage and with the extra time that is exactly what you are getting. the time limits are there for a reason!

genericgoon

Cheating is bad for those honest people who will miss out on their courses due to a cheater. Personally i dont cheat but then again im very confident ill get one of the courses i want anyways so cheating is just meh to me.

Nehpets

meh, the time limits are part of the exam.. break them and you're breaking the rules.

Corruptedmorals

It's not exactly cheating, at least, not be him. It's the supervisor who's cheating, I'd say thousands and thousands of people, including myself, could have done with even 5 minutes extra time, so it's an unfair advantage. And it really annoys me, ran out in Eng Paper 2...

Tar.Aldarion

A lot of people cheat, they did when I did the exam anyway. My brothers cheated too last year and the year before.

ZorbaTehZ

sd123 wrote:

well, i had a supervisor like that in this years L.C. was really handy tbh to get an extra few minutes in maths, applied maths and tec drawing:D
during paper 2 in higher maths for example, he gave out the papers about 15 minutes early and gave out to people who arrived 10 minutes early telling them they were late!
in higher maths, i had the circle question finished bout 9:28 which is before the exam officially starts:D
I'm the only student in my school who sat applied maths this year and i got the paper at bout 1:42. I did an extra question and at 4:40 he said to 'START' finishing up. dragged it out for bout an extra 8 minutes before starting to put a treasury tag and graph paper etc. and sticking my booklet together. Was nearly 4:55 by the time i walked out of the hall.

Crikey, and I thought I was lucky getting the exam 5 minutes early in App. Maths!

AdMMM

only 300 were caught? Probably only around 5% of those who were cheating. A 5% chance of getting caught for a ~90% chance of improving your grade is +ev

Patricide

I was so tempted to cheat, our examiner was a total fool. In all fairness though if i had cheated it would have only have leveled out the playing field, i had to wait a half hour for paper with my hand in the air and him looking straight at me. He only gave out extra paper when there was around 5 peoples hands up at a time. We all felt like killing him when we were finished.

But i dunno bout your schools but cheating would have been ridiculously easy in mine, and if i were to reapeat(Which i am not under NO circumstances) i would deffinatly cheat my BALLS off. I dont care if its immoral, the world is an unfair place and the leaving cert is just a memory test anyway which is just bollox in the first place.

Aard

Ok enough with the "what about the legitimate students who dont cheat it's not fair". Yeah so people cheat you out of a couple of points, quit complaining. What should really be addressed are those examiners who give twenty minutes extra to a class, or allow students discuss the paper with it in front of them.

Nehpets

Aard wrote:

Ok enough with the "what about the legitimate students who dont cheat it's not fair". Yeah so people cheat you out of a couple of points, quit complaining. What should really be addressed are those examiners who give twenty minutes extra to a class, or allow students discuss the paper with it in front of them.

I think the cheating students should be dealt with equally as much

JC 2K3

I don't understand why they don't have a supervisor(an adult from SEC, not a student from a lower year) outside all the exam centres in a school monitoring students going to the toilet, checking the toilets etc. They could also be in control of when an exam started or stopped, ie. they'd pop their head in the door and give the go ahead to the supervisor in each room to start the exam and when to stop it.

JC 2K3

JC 2K3 wrote:

I don't understand why they don't have a supervisor(an adult from SEC, not a student from a lower year) outside all the exam centres in a school monitoring students going to the toilet, checking the toilets etc.

Cost?

Patricide wrote:

I was so tempted to cheat, our examiner was a total fool. In all fairness though if i had cheated it would have only have leveled out the playing field, i had to wait a half hour for paper with my hand in the air and him looking straight at me. He only gave out extra paper when there was around 5 peoples hands up at a time. We all felt like killing him when we were finished.

Why didn't you say "sorry?" or something else out loud?

JC 2K3

Myth wrote:

Cost?

One extra supervisor per school?

Citizen_Erased

Each school does have a member of staff appointed to do what you have said , check the toilets and other places for books and notes or whatever.

marco murphy

Marathon Man wrote:

When I done my leaving cert, there was this guy in my class who really hated physics. Solution: Get a friend who studies science in university to sit the paper.
I was sitting right behind this guy and could barely contain my amusement. Result: The cheater got an A1 in physics and a nice degree course for himself.
Those figures you quote certainly don't surprise me. I would say for every 1 caught, 10 get away with it.

Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant. Well done

Spud83

Why do people care if other people cheat!!! I never did it, mainly because I would have been too scared. I certainly wouldn't care if I seen people taking the risk. People should just worry about themseleves and let everyone else do what the want.

I find the people who give give out about cheating are the ones looking for an excuse themseleves for not getting there college course etc...

ethernet

JC 2K3 wrote:

I don't understand why they don't have a supervisor(an adult from SEC, not a student from a lower year) outside all the exam centres in a school monitoring students going to the toilet, checking the toilets etc. They could also be in control of when an exam started or stopped, ie. they'd pop their head in the door and give the go ahead to the supervisor in each room to start the exam and when to stop it.

Agreed. There should be such a figure. My sister was an assistant once. She was told to follow people to the bathroom. That didn't happen for us. I was actually very surprised. I even met another lad in my English class when I went to the bathroom during the English PII exam. It's all too easy to cheat.

heyjude

justbringit89 wrote:

In the star sunday today that 300 students have been caught cheating in the last 4 years , Interesting fact but oviously its higher but these are the reistered ones , TUT TUT

Maybe this partly explains the improvement in grades in recent years.

Those who can do, those who can't cheat !

Patricide

Myth wrote:

Cost?



Why didn't you say "sorry?" or something else out loud?

o no you dont understand, you see he saw me, i was saying sorry coughing ect. He just wasnt getting up untill he could do a few students at once, the ASSHOLE.

JC 2K3

JC 2K3 wrote:

One extra supervisor per school?

Yes?

Patricide wrote:

o no you dont understand, you see he saw me, i was saying sorry coughing ect. He just wasnt getting up untill he could do a few students at once, the ASSHOLE.

Ah, I get you. That's quite bad.

Aard

Patricide wrote:

o no you dont understand, you see he saw me, i was saying sorry coughing ect. He just wasnt getting up untill he could do a few students at once, the ASSHOLE.

Complain. That sort of behaviour is out of order. You never know, they might make concessions in correcting your paper.

Naikon

I somehow doubt this:/

genericgoon

We had quite a strict supervisor. Wrote all over your paper if you went to the toilet. Wouldve hated to see a big notice to the corrector telling them i was on the toilet in the middle of an english essay for example.

Rozabeez

Does that mean 300 extra college places? Or can cheaters still get in if they're caught?

dajaffa

Rozabeez wrote:

Does that mean 300 extra college places? Or can cheaters still get in if they're caught?

If you're caught your LC is cancelled and your banned from sitting state examinations for either 4 or 7 years, can't quite remember which...

Rozabeez

Rozabeez wrote:

Does that mean 300 extra college places? Or can cheaters still get in if they're caught?

Well, technically it might but who is to say that the 300 were planning on going to college?

I'm actually surprised there haven't been any Spartan jokes on this thread yet.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Myth wrote:

I'm actually surprised there haven't been any Spartan jokes on this thread yet.

Well that's gonna have to be addressed isn't it ...

Rozabeez

Feel kinda sorry for them really. Must have been pretty desperate to have to cheat enough to get caught, now they don't have a LC ane can't sit any state exams for X amount of years, that includes driving test iirc. Everyone's probably going to jump on this with their, "Well they brought it on themselves!!!!11oneone", but tbh so what if they did?

Tar.Aldarion

'but tbh so what if they did?'

Then don't feel sorry for them.

Rozabeez

I'm talking **** tbh. I haven't actually read most of the replies, just assuming people are caring too much about the whole cheating thing.

raido9

In fairness what is the point in cheating. If your not good enough to get the points you need without cheating chances are your probably not going to be able for whatever course you end up doing.

genericgoon

Raido thats not always true. CAO is based on popularity not difficulty of courses. And since the LC covers such a wide spectrum of subjects, a person might have (should have) a great knowledge of subjects relating to their college course choice but not so much in their other LC subjects.

Plug

justbringit89 wrote:

In the star sunday today that 300 students have been caught cheating in the last 4 years , Interesting fact but oviously its higher but these are the reistered ones , TUT TUT

I just got a sandwich air tight bag, put formula's etc into it and then into the toilet thing that water comes out of when you flush it, then asked to go for a sh!t, took them out and looked.
Results: Awaiting results.

cocoa

it's a cistern...
cheating with style

Acid_Violet

I'm absolutely appalled at this tbh. If someone doesn't do the work tough ****! I'd gladly rat someone up for cheating, it's not fair that some people repeat and spend money on repeating the LC to get the course they want when other assholes get whatever course they're looking for by cheating. And I can't believe this about the examiners! How more unfair can you be? Seriously, the examiners, schools even, should be reported. Considering how stressful the LC is and how hard some people work it's completely unfair that others get this hideous advantage over them!

genericgoon

OMG a snitch ! Get it! Yes it is unfair but if that person was barred from exams because of you there would be trouble ahead probably

Plug

Acid_Violet wrote:

I'd gladly rat someone up for cheating, it's not fair that some people repeat and spend money on repeating the LC to get the course they want when other assholes get whatever course they're looking for by cheating.

Why just mind your own business and just get on with YOUR own exam, I would like everyone to do well including cheaters.

fionated7

im using the excuse that cheaters who got 600 points took my college place, it wasnt because i made a half assed attempt at my leaving cert i swear!!!

may start informing the parentals now of these college-place-stealing cheaters!!

Acid_Violet

The marking scheme works like this; x percentage has to get an A1, y percentage has to get an A2 and so on and so forth. Everything depends on how well others did. So someone cheating will result in others scoring less. Fair?

Now consider the poor ould sods who work their ass off throughout fifth and sixth year. They find themselves sacrificing a large chunk of their social lives and getting very stressed because of the LC. And because 6,000 people cheat (if 300 would be about 5% than the total cheaters should be that), having put effort into cheating instead of learning for the exam, if they score better they will put other people who have worked hard and done their exams honestly down the ladder. Fair?

Genericgoon; It's not as simple as 'I want everyone to do well in the LC' because by succeeding you have to put others down! Dirty tricks should not be so easily tolerated. And don't worry, I'll get on with my own exam anyway and work extra hard to get ahead of those cheating bastards .

Naikon

Even if the Cheaters get ahead, the College system will soon weed some of them out:)