Ok how do i ex-communicate ?

LegacyUser

So anyway Im going unreg on this because some people who know me personally will nag me if I went reg'd on this.

Im 17, I was baptised a catholic but never had any interest in religion, I was almost not allowed even make my confirmation because I said the best part was the money what a cheeky kid I was. I never had an interest in religion and always doubted someone could see what I was doing or command me. Anyway I stopped going to mass when I was 13/14 mostly because my mother gave up forcing me. So then these church sex scandal stories came along and I really got fed up. Not trying to generalise, but I dont want to be associated with paedophiles. So how do I ex communicate myself, write a letter to the pope ? if so anyone got an address ?

Miss Fluff

Write a letter to the pope? ROFL I take it the 1989 is your DOB, very mature of you. To ask to be excommunicated would suggest you have some belief in what the church stands for. You obviously don't so not going to church anymore is all that is required really.

Miss Fluff

AntiFaith1989 wrote:

Not trying to generalise, but I dont want to be associated with paedophiles.

OK well I think about 94% of the Irish population were born into Catholicism and I'm sure not every single one of them is a kiddy-fiddler......not trying to generalise or anything.....

mikemac

OP, have you though this through?

Whats happens when you get married?
What happens if your partner wants your child baptised? Do you not bother going to the Church and wait in the pub?
Are you going to leave instructions not to have your funeral in a church?

Anyways, Catholism isn't so bad.
Stroll over to the Islam forum and they are discussing stoning people. I've been following that thread all morning.

So you want to get yourself kicked out?
I don't know the meaning of all these so start doing so research for yourself instead of getting posters to do it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication#Automatic_excommunication_.28.22latae_sententiae_excommunication.22.29

Apostasy (canon 1364),
Heresy (canon 1364),
Schism (canon 1364),
Desecration of the Eucharist (canon 1367),
Physical violence against the Pope (canon 1370),
Attempted sacramental absolution of a partner in a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue ("Thou shalt not commit adultery.") (canon 1378 §1),
Ordination of a bishop without papal mandate (canon 1382),
Direct violation of the sacramental seal of confession by a confessor (canon 1388),
Procurement of a completed abortion (canon 1398), or
Being a conspiring or necessary accomplice in any of the above (canon 1329).

barrett1965

OP, firstly I want to say that not all priests a paedophiles.

But on to your dilema. I too gave up the church a number of years ago and like you I wanted to 'officailly' leave. I went once to Citizens Information and they were no help at all. The girl I spoke to suggested I just stop going to mass, which I found to be unhelpful. The only suggestion I would make is to contact a priest (ironic, I know, but they at least would know) and get the proper advice you seek. TBH, I haven't done it yet myself, but I think I will eventually. I'm going through a spirirual crisis at the moment.

Good luck.

mikemac

Just one other thing OP.

Fair play for trying to leave if you're not happy.
I see a lot of people moan about our new priest as Sunday mass is now 45minutes long.
Like if you don't want to go to Mass, don't go!

But a lot of people go to Mass just so the neighbours don't talk.
And even more people show up to weddings, funerals, etc but blast the church and all priests (like the OP's post) for the other 364 days of the year.

You are not a hypocrite so good for you OP

Sinfonia

www.pope.com
click 'unreg'

lollllz

Crucifix

I dunno about getting the pope to send you the old 'excommunique', but there was a thread about debaptism (which might be what you want) on A&A recently. Here's the fella

MarkR

Are you worried that they have your name on file? It's like those odd posts you get from time to time about deleting accounts from boards. If you don't like it don't go back. It's not like they have your direct debit details.

What exactly do you want from this?

DublinWriter

OP - like yerself, I cashed out on Confirmation Day and my Mother gave up forcing me to go to mass when I was 13.

I've been a Buddhist for the past 10 years or so and feel no need to renounce my ex-Catholicism publically or otherwise. As Frank Zappa said, you are what you is.

Brian Capture

AntiFaith1989 wrote:

So anyway Im going unreg on this because some people who know me personally will nag me if I went reg'd on this.

Im 17, I was baptised a catholic but never had any interest in religion, I was almost not allowed even make my confirmation because I said the best part was the money what a cheeky kid I was. I never had an interest in religion and always doubted someone could see what I was doing or command me. Anyway I stopped going to mass when I was 13/14 mostly because my mother gave up forcing me. So then these church sex scandal stories came along and I really got fed up. Not trying to generalise, but I dont want to be associated with paedophiles. So how do I ex communicate myself, write a letter to the pope ? if so anyone got an address ?

Are you genuinely seeking excommunication or are you doing it because you think it looks cool and rebellious?

I think the latter.

colm-ccfc84

I have done this . I sent a very strongly worded, firm letter to the bishop and all was carried out. Good decision btw.

dudara

Not really a PI. Moved to Religion & Spirituality -> Christianity.

dudara

colm-ccfc84

Move it to the atheism section. The person does not want to be a christian!

Here is the body of the letter I used. Don't listen to people trying to change your mind. It is your decision ( and a good one at that). The person was asking how not should.

I am an atheist.

I hereby renounce all the trappings of religion.

I renounce all blessings, benefits, graces, sanctifications, and advantages supposedly conferred on me by any religion or by any religious act done by me or on my behalf in the past, present or future.

I condemn as monstrous the idea of original sin, and renounce any baptism done on my behalf to wash it away.

I reject as ridiculous the idea of an atoning sacrifice and spurn its presumed benefits.

I do not believe that any god, supernatural realm or afterlife exists, and will not act as if they did.

I do not believe that any book, building, place, person, thing or action is holy and will not pretend that they are.

I do not think that praying is anything more than talking to oneself and will not make believe that it is.

I do not believe that any person is more sanctified than any other, or that any human being should be elevated above another in any way, due to ancestry, race, gender, occupation, belief or for any other reason and will not feign that I do.

As a principled and rational person, it pains me that someone, somewhere may be counting me as an adherent of an irrational superstition which has done and is doing irreparable harm to humanity and with which I profoundly disagree. Please remove my name from the records of the church, and record that I am no longer a Roman Catholic. Please send me confirmation of this action. Please do this as soon as possible.


Signature___________________________

Shellie13

eh sorry?! whats the point?!
by just saying "im agnostic/ im an atheist" etc if asked or by writing it on a cenus or form or what ever you have "left the church"
Ireland (unlike some other counties like germany) dosn't legaly brand you as part of a certain religion- ie you are not offically recored as a catholic when you look for a job etc (and you cannot be asked by your potential employer under eu regulation anyway), you don't pay taxes to your church therefor a small event like a baptism which happend 17 years ago is meaninless!

Yes plenty prists were "kiddie fiddlers" and those bastards should burn in hell- but in general although i don't have strong faith it must be admitted that the church does a lot of good- for instance christian organisations like trocaire actually try to do some good for others in the world! There are bigger fights to fight save your research and energy for them!

I personaly feel thaty religin and beliefs are a personal thing and by just accepting you are not part of a religion then no1 can say u are!

colm-ccfc84

Because they count you as one regardless of participation. It is moralistic and based on principal. Would you be satisfied being a Nazi member even though you don't participate? Get out of that malevolent organisation.

Gone West

With regard to the original person who started this thread:
You can renounce a religion if you wish, but it is highly unlikely(think winning the lotto twice in a month) that you will ever be excommunicated. In any case, I see that Goodwins law has been invoked by the post above me just as I finish typing this, thus making any argument null and void.

Excommunication is a VERY rare device used by the Catholic Church. Its primary purpose is to suspend a persons membership of the Church.
Generally speaking, persons excommunicated are not done so to hurt them, to punish them for wrongdoings against the church.
Generally, excommunicated persons are excommunicated so that they can repent, say sorry and return to the church.

And more importantly with regard to you, presonally it is a device used only to high-ranking or well known people. Heads of state, bishops, etc.
In other words, you are actually not important enough for the Catholic Churcgh to excommunicate.

Nevyn

It can be done if you have commited an act which auto excomminicated yourself and you report this and remain unrependant.

You may have to provide proof also you will have to wait until you are legally an adult to start pursuing this.

colm-ccfc84

Fuzzylogic that is simply untrue, speaking from first hand experience.

mike65

What a strange religion it is if you have to file for divorce so to speak.

Best thing to do is (if you feel the need) write to the top man here, the Archbishop Diarmuid Martin and outline your reasons then you know you have let the chruch know why and you've drawn a line.

Mike.

colm-ccfc84

mike65 wrote:

What a strange religion it is if you have to file for divorce so to speak.
Mike.

The person never entered the proverbial marriage out of free will.

PDN

Does anyone know how I can renounce my Irish citizenship? I never asked to be born Irish and I don't want to be associated with a bunch of paedophiles.

Zombrex

PDN wrote:

Does anyone know how I can renounce my Irish citizenship? I never asked to be born Irish and I don't want to be associated with a bunch of paedophiles.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000047

Glad I can help

Zombrex

SumGuy wrote:

www.pope.com
click 'unreg'

lollllz

rofl

Zombrex

AntiFaith1989 wrote:

So how do I ex communicate myself, write a letter to the pope ? if so anyone got an address ?

So many Christians and no one can give this guy a straight answer, instead just judging him ... how un-Christian of all of you ... shame on you!

AntiFaith, these are the facts as far as I understand them -

You don't excommunicate yourself, you "defect" from the Catholic Church. It is known as actus defectionis, an act of defection

But bear in mind that in the eyes of the Catholic church no one baptised can ever become "non-Catholic"

You can "defect" from the Church, but that isn't the same as the church saying "You are not a Catholic"

It is in fact the church saying "You are a very bad Catholic", which is similar to status of someone who is excommunicated.

If you ever decide to come back to the church after an ex-communication you are not re-baptised, you are "forgiven". You see you were always a Catholic so you don't need to be baptised again, you were just being a bad Catholic.

To defect from the Catholic church you need to write a letter to your priest stating that you wish to do this. The priest will then determine if you are acting under your own free will or not and if the choice you have made is a "interior act" or not.

You see there are two requirements to defect from the Catholic church, a written letter to the church and an interior decision taken "personally, consciously and freely" to leave. The priest will decide if that is the case or if you are, you know, possessed by Satan or something like that.

He will also probably explain to you that this is an act of heresy, just in case you didn't know.

Once your defection is accepted this will noted in the baptismal register, with :- "defectio ab Ecclesia catholica actu formali".

Note that you are not removed from the register, it is simply noted that you have decided to defect from the Church. As far as the Church is concerned the initial bond to Jesus that was your baptism is permanent. You are and will always be a Catholic. You are just now a bad Catholic. Which I suppose is better than nothing

adam_ccfc

Absolutely typical - guy comes on asking for information on how to be baptised and is greeted by a load of indoctrined Christians desperately attempting to persuade him otherwise. Leave the church, free your mind of the insidious evil that is Christianity, and - above all - be open to the beauty that is science.

philologos

adam_ccfc wrote:

Absolutely typical - guy comes on asking for information on how to be baptised and is greeted by a load of indoctrined Christians desperately attempting to persuade him otherwise. Leave the church, free your mind of the insidious evil that is Christianity, and - above all - be open to the beauty that is science.

You do realise that you are on the Christianity forum, and that there are two ends to the bias spectrum. I don't think you're doing anyone any good by telling him that Christianity is an "insidious evil", or that we are "indocrinated".

Asiaprod

adam_ccfc wrote:

Absolutely typical - guy comes on asking for information on how to be baptised and is greeted by a load of indoctrined Christians desperately attempting to persuade him otherwise.

Did you actually read the post? Unless I am missing something, the poster was asking about excommunication

Leave the church, free your mind of the insidious evil that is Christianity, and - above all - be open to the beauty that is science.

That is against the charter, consider this your first warning, a repeat will earn you a vacation.
Asia

lostexpectation

Asiaprod wrote:

Did you actually read the post? Unless I am missing something, the poster was asking about excommunication


That is against the charter, consider this your first warning, a repeat will earn you a vacation.
Asia

well considering this was originally posted on PI.

anyone ever seem the're name crossed off 'the list'

adam_ccfc

Jakkass wrote:

You do realise that you are on the Christianity forum, and that there are two ends to the bias spectrum. I don't think you're doing anyone any good by telling him that Christianity is an "insidious evil", or that we are "indocrinated".

I'm certainly not here because I enjoy this forum, I'm here because this thread was moved here.

Apologies for the rule-break, one shouldn't lose one's temper.



As for my post above, I meant to say DEbaptised. Speed typo.

ulc84

Jakkass wrote:

You do realise that you are on the Christianity forum, and that there are two ends to the bias spectrum. I don't think you're doing anyone any good by telling him that Christianity is an "insidious evil", or that we are "indocrinated".

You people don't like reading the truth ( or the truth in general in any case). As Adam said, Christianity is an insidious evil and all of you are , unfortunately, indoctrined.
This topic should never have been moved to this forum, it is fittingly illogicial.

Mrs. MacGyver

Just wondering if you change your religion (rather than being an aethist) are you excommunicated? I changed to C of I 5 years ago.

Asiaprod

adam_ccfc wrote:

As for my post above, I meant to say DEbaptised. Speed typo.

I think you would have to agree that that tiny typo is in fact quite a major one.:)

adam_ccfc

Asiaprod wrote:

I think you would have to agree that that tiny typo is in fact quite a major one.:)

Never commented on its size, bud, just on the fact that it was, indeed, a typo.

philologos

Mrs. MacGyver wrote:

Just wondering if you change your religion (rather than being an aethist) are you excommunicated? I changed to C of I 5 years ago.

They consider it heresy I think.

Mrs. MacGyver

So if heresy is grounds for excommunication, i take it i was excommunicated 5 years ago then? Thanks.

Fanny Cradock

ulc84 wrote:

You people don't like reading the truth ( or the truth in general in any case). As Adam said, Christianity is an insidious evil and all of you are , unfortunately, indoctrined.
This topic should never have been moved to this forum, it is fittingly illogicial.

Yes, it's all so clear now. We Christians are unwitting tools of evil. Further more, most of us are so indoctrinated (read: stupid) that we don't even realise how we are being manipulated.

That's an excellently reasoned post, and you are bound to get your point across by insulting people. Good job, sir.

The Mad Hatter

Mrs. MacGyver wrote:

So if heresy is grounds for excommunication, i take it i was excommunicated 5 years ago then? Thanks.

Alas, no, in the eyes of the Catholic church you are - as I am - a 'lapsed Catholic'. Excommunication takes an actual action on the part of some senior member of the church (I think it might have to be someone in the Vatican, but I'm not sure. Might even be your local priest can do it).