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Shay Conway - Seanad Postal Vote

  • 20-06-2007 4:19pm
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    Vote Shay Conway No 1. TCD/DIT (Dublin University) - Seanad Election

    The Ballot Papers were handed over to An Post yesterday (19th June), so your postman should call any day now and ask you to sign for your ballot paper. The count takes place next month (July 24th).

    What happens if you are not in when the postman calls ?

    The post man will leave a docket and you have 3 options:

    You can bring this docket down to the sorting office and collect the ballot paper yourself.

    You can sign the docket and nominate an agent (friend or neighbour) to collect your ballot paper from the sorting office.

    You can fill in an alternative address (your workplace or a friend's address) on the docket, fold the docket into an envelope and drop it into a postbox. When the sorting office gets this they will send your ballot paper out again to the new address.

    Remember if this docket must be used within 3 days otherwise the ballot paper will go back to TCD.

    What happens if you are on holidays or away when the docket arrives ?

    If you arrive back and find that the docket was there for some time, e-mail me DU@shayconway.org with an alternative address and I will ask TCD to send it out to a new address (TCD will not resend the vote to the same address).

    What happens if you have changed address ?

    E-mail me DU@shayconway.org and I will look through the list of returned ballot papers and ask TCD to send you ballot paper out to you new address.

    www.shayconway.org

    Vote Shay Conway No 1. - Dublin University Seanad Election

    (c) Shay Conway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 Edwardius
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    Right, from the website.
    We all went to college in Dublin, half of us (registered DU voters) still live here. Most of visit when we can. Anyway we all have experience of Dublin city transport. A little bit here, a little bit there, is probably the best way to describe the development of transport in Dublin, very little joined up thinking (even the two Luas lines are not connected).
    I'm sure the lines will be connected at some point.
    For goodness sake Calcutta opened its underground twenty years ago and we are expected to believe that we can’t afford one.

    I don't think we should take any inspiration from calcutta. The underground is in the planning process. Who said we can't afford an underground?

    Years ago the argument against an underground was the local geology, the recent tunnel demonstrates that tunnelling technology has overcome this impediment.
    Errr, I'm sure the "geology" around the port tunnel varies from that of the proposed underground route. Be that as it may, they're going to build the damn thing anyway so that statement is a waste of time.

    There was an offer from a Japanese company many years ago to install an underground run it for 20 years and then hand it over to the city, this was refused.

    Politics by hindsight eh?
    So what is the problem?
    None!
    An underground threatens the economic viability of existing transport providers. The growth in Luas traffic was mirrored by an equal drop in Dublin Bus traffic, vested interests will continue to stymie any minister with the vision to put in place a comprehensive underground
    The underground, well, the airport one won't compete with the luas lines, rather it'll surely complement them. look at the proposed Airport to stephen's green line. I'm sure it'll stop at connolly too. What do these two points have in common? is there a shred of evidence to support that statement or are you just making it up as you go along?

    The country living piece is a source of great amusement to me. What do you want in this regard? if more people live and work in rural areas, less people will have to commute to Dublin thereby cutting this and benefiting that etc etc (emissions, stress, accidents due to stress and tiredness to name but a few) ....zzzzz. Do you reckon the transport companies are in on this too? When change occurs in a small town there are always consequences. These have to be monitored and dealt with appropriately as people deal with the impact of the change with a view to benefiting from it in the long run. You can't expect everything to be hunky dory when such a thing occurs and you can't sit there and rubbish initiatives without offering something that you believe to be of more benefit. you're just observing things from the fence and saying they're crap without offering anything positive. There's no substance in it and no statements of intent.

    Also:
    Eircom will not supply broadband because it is not economically viable in low density areas, no one seems to want to develop the communications infrastructure and possibility of e-working is only for a lucky few or those who will patiently dial up.

    Eircom is not a state body and as such is not under any obligation to do anything that doesn't benefit it . I could be wrong and if I am I stand corrected. But wait! They own and maintain phone lines throughout the whole damn nation, even in non profitable areas! Do you even have a shred of information regarding eircom's broadband plans or is this more crap?

    Edit: After re-reading the "points and views" section, you don't make any points and your views are observations with the odd bit of under-researched commentary thrown in for good measure. The only suggestion I saw was in relation to the third world.

    I'm also confused about the "dark green" section there are several other examples of the Green lobby's incoherent and unworkable "ideas" why pick something that's not a contentious issue. Who was talking about removing flouride from water? Are you trying not to offend anyone?

    Now, I'm not a politician so you're obviously better at politics than I am. I apologise if my tone appears aggressive and if it appears that I'm guilty of what I'm accusing you of. The latter may be true but I'm not seeking election anywhere. You are. So how in the name of christ can an eegit with a keyboard find flaws in subjects about which you claim to be knowledgeable and at the basis on which you seek election? Again, i don't mean to be rude but if you want my vote you'll damn well have to work for it. Mine's a Guinness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ApeXaviour
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    Was going to delete this since it is a discussion board and not a place for campaigning. But I think I'll leave it now as a result of ed's post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 Tricity Bendix
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    Dead Ed wrote:
    I'm sure the lines will be connected at some point.
    I have never been convinced why this has to be so. Can't we have two unjoined lines? Who wants to go from Tallaght to Sandyford via town, and are there enough of these people to warrant spending christ knows how much to make the two lines meet up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 Edwardius
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    Neither have I, but it seems very important so there must be a reason for it, right?! I wonder how they can link the lines without screwing up the city centre. I thought the underground was going to take care of that. I suppose they could always run the bastard trams underground.


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    Going underground is a very expensive option.

    And I should think the reason people seem to be upset about the lines not being joint up is because of our hysterical opposition. They get to say the government lacks 'joined up thinking', which is a loverly buzz-phrase, but is rarely backed up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 Edwardius
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    Maybe that's what started it. It seems more trouble than it's worth just to save someone a fifteen minute walk to abbey street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 Nietzschean
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    lol, well really it was stupidity that the sandyford line doesn't actually connect into anything in town, it should have at least gone to 'some' dart station....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    b.ie polar wrote:
    Going underground is a very expensive option.

    I got some recent costings, it is not that expensive when you factor in the long term economic benefit of the reduction of car use, the lack of disruption during construction and ease of geting around a city with a decent transport system.

    You also have to remember that we are one of the richest countries on the planet and a major construction project will counteract the expected downturn in the construction sector.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    Dead Ed wrote:
    Mine's a Guinness.
    Glad to see you read my "Public Information" piece, you can now press the refresh button on your computer when you go into www.shayconway.org either before or after you have a refreshing pint and read what the graduates read in my leaflet. :)


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    shayconway wrote:
    I got some recent costings, it is not that expensive when you factor in the long term economic benefit of the reduction of car use, the lack of disruption during construction and ease of geting around a city with a decent transport system.
    Hmm. car use will be reduced regardless of whether we go underground or join the lines above ground. I don't get your point there.

    I do see where you're coming from with the lack of disruption (although I'm sure those families whose houses were flooded during construction of the port tunnel would have something to say about it) but I would like to point out that the public have a very short-term memory. Most people have forgotten the great pain in the head we all went through when the luas was being built. At the time the opposition parties were of course jumping up and down with glee and feeding off the discontent. Now, however, the government uses the Luas as an example of one of its great transport policies, and the public largely agrees. People aren't bothered by the cost over-runs anymore. That's yesterday's news. They care about what they have now.
    You also have to remember that we are one of the richest countries on the planet and a major construction project will counteract the expected downturn in the construction sector.
    Y'see, the great thing about th construction sector is that it has spawned countless more jobs indirectly. Architects, interior designers, painters, decorators, estate agents, etc. We won't get that same lift from constructing transport projects.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    b.ie polar wrote:
    Hmm. car use will be reduced regardless of whether we go underground or join the lines above ground. I don't get your point there.
    You are right, the method of joining the Luas lines will have little impact on car use.

    My point is that should we decide to do any tunnelling, it should be done using a machine which can continue working 24/7 and eventually develop a usable underground system, which would eventually reduce the need for people using cars.

    The tunnelling machine used for the Port Tunnel cost over €300m, and was a major part of the total cost, it still remains unused underground in Santry. I do not know whether this machine would be suitable for drilling at the depth in the limestone necessary to allay the fears of north-siders with regard to cracks appearing in their houses.

    I do know that north of a line from Blackrock to Dundrum, is fairly uniform limestone to a depth of at least 500m and suitable for drilling using current technology. This was first discovered when Arthur Guinness & Co. tried and failed in 1925 to find water for Dead ed's favourite pint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 PHB
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    Surely since you are running for the Senate your transport policy is about as relevant as mine?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    PHB wrote:
    Surely since you are running for the Senate your transport policy is about as relevant as mine?

    I see what you are geting at. I was unaware that you had a transport policy, I know of no other individual who has one.

    To describe a few short comments as "my policy" is funny, but something tells me that you are trying to harsh my vibe.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 PHB
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    I've a general transport ethos, which I could work into a policy, but the point I was making is that my views, like your views, on transport are pretty much equally relevant, since neither of us will have any effect on transport policy in the foreseeable future.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    PHB wrote:
    I've a general transport ethos, which I could work into a policy, but the point I was making is that my views, like your views, on transport are pretty much equally relevant, since neither of us will have any effect on transport policy in the foreseeable future.

    We can of course only speak for ourselves. I think I may be a bit more optimistic than you as I work primarily as a labour market research analyst, getting people to work is significant, while I have not been asked to do any work on this aspect of transport, it is likely that I might be. Some of my work has so far been used in formulating government policy, I hope this continues.

    Your comment goes deeper and questions the relevance of the Seanad, voicing your opinions to your representatives ensures that your views are represented. I can see by your comments that you do not want to define yourself as irrelevant, neither do I, but I am making my views known.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 shayconway


    I notice that you have added two photographs to comment 3 on this thread since I last replied, I would like you to remove them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 Time Magazine
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    shayconway wrote:
    I notice that you have added two photographs to comment 3 on this thread since I last replied, I would like you to remove them.
    Jaysis Shay would you relax?

    The images are ApeXaviour's "signature" and not connected to his post per se.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ApeXaviour
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    Yes Mr. Conway, I think you'll find an explanation in my reply to your pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 shay_562
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    shayconway wrote:
    harsh my vibe

    ...
    shayconway wrote:
    I think I may be a bit more optimistic than you as I work primarily as a labour market research analyst, getting people to work is significant, while I have not been asked to do any work on this aspect of transport, it is likely that I might be. Some of my work has so far been used in formulating government policy, I hope this continues. Your comment goes deeper and questions the relevance of the Seanad

    Given that the relevance of the Seanad was called into question, does it not worry you slightly that your own initial reaction was to talk about the work you do in a private capacity, not what you hope to be able to do in the Seanad? In fact, should it not worry you that you have more chance of influencing government policy as a private analyst than you could potentially have as a senator?
    shayconway wrote:
    voicing your opinions to your representatives ensures that your views are represented.

    True, but your views being represented at Seanad level isn't going to do anyone a huge amount of good. Don't get me wrong, I think the Seanad has useful purposes, such as blocking or revising poor legislation and acting as a check on the Dail, but it plays little practical role in the everyday formation or implementation of government policy, and I'd hope that someone attempting to run for the Seanad would at least have the self-awareness to realise that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 Nietzschean
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    shayconway wrote:
    I notice that you have added two photographs to comment 3 on this thread since I last replied, I would like you to remove them.
    whoa its funny to see what a poor grasp of technology some people who want to be public representatives have. Might i suggest you em, learn about this whole 'internet' thing before you go accusing people of stuff?


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Agent Smith
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 Stargal
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    shayconway wrote:
    I notice that you have added two photographs to comment 3 on this thread since I last replied, I would like you to remove them.
    Shay those pictures appear every single time that ApeX posts anything, they're honestly nothing to do with you. They're part of his signature, in the same way that that picture of Paris Hilton shows up underneath anything I ever post (see below!). He's had those pictures for a year, maybe two, so they haven't just shown up in the last day or two.

    And since you asked, ApeX has been a moderator of the TCD forum since it began back in '04, and he's been an excellent one at that - a hell of a lot better than a lot of the moderators on this site to be perfectly frank.

    Take a deep breath and get back to telling us why we should vote for you :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 tbh
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    shayconway wrote:
    I notice that you have added two photographs to comment 3 on this thread since I last replied, I would like you to remove them.

    I'm actually embarrassed for you. That's what you get for trying to prove you are down with the kids! :rolleyes:

    basically, You've never contributed anything to this site, you log-in and promote yourself (basically free advertising), and then throw a strop over something you clearly have no understanding about. Good luck with the whole politics thing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 Stargal
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    tbh wrote:
    I'm actually embarrassed for you. That's what you get for trying to prove you are down with the kids! :rolleyes:

    basically, You've never contributed anything to this site, you log-in and promote yourself (basically free advertising), and then throw a strop over something you clearly have no understanding about. Good luck with the whole politics thing!
    Ah don't be so harsh on him tbh! To be fair, the guy didn't just post one 'vote-for-me' spiel and then piss off, he has come back and responded to stuff that people have said. Yes it was a stupid thing to say to ApeX, but as long as he cops on, realises his mistake and stops sending threatening PM's (as documented in the Mods forum, for anyone who has access!) then it's not the worst thing that's ever been done on boards (it's up there with the funniest though :) )

    Boards can be a confusing place for someone not used to forums.

    Edit: Hmmm, I just read over my post and I think I'm being way to nice on the guy, considering that there have been a large number of PM's sent about this and he's still insisting that ApeX remove the pics. Let's see what happens today about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 tbh
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    Laika wrote:
    Ah don't be so harsh on him tbh! To be fair, the guy didn't just post one 'vote-for-me' spiel and then piss off, he has come back and responded to stuff that people have said. Yes it was a stupid thing to say to ApeX, but as long as he cops on, realises his mistake and stops sending threatening PM's (as documented in the Mods forum, for anyone who has access!) then it's not the worst thing that's ever been done on boards (it's up there with the funniest though :) )

    Boards can be a confusing place for someone not used to forums.


    ...and in fairness it was the arrogance of his comments as doc'd in the mods thread that I was reacting to, rather than the posts on here per se. However, he obviously knows how to PM, so why not PM ape x with a "whats the story?" question, rather than getting all pompous with the whole "remove them or I'll take action" sceal. We are an established community - if you want to use that resource for your own gain - having never contributed anything in advance - then cop-on and learn the rules first. Even if ApeX had posted those pics specifically aimed at Shay, then tough - if you don't like it, you are welcome to leave the site, rather than saying "I don't like this, even if no-one else has a problem with it, i want it changed" - where's your currency to demand that? with your seven posts. And despite ApeX explaining over and over what a sig was, the dude still won't accept the explanation.

    but I take your point laika, I'll pull my horns in :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 Stargal
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    tbh wrote:
    ...and in fairness it was the arrogance of his comments as doc'd in the mods thread that I was reacting to, rather than the posts on here per se. However, he obviously knows how to PM, so why not PM ape x with a "whats the story?" question, rather than getting all pompous with the whole "remove them or I'll take action" sceal. We are an established community - if you want to use that resource for your own gain - having never contributed anything in advance - then cop-on and learn the rules first. Even if ApeX had posted those pics specifically aimed at Shay, then tough - if you don't like it, you are welcome to leave the site, rather than saying "I don't like this, even if no-one else has a problem with it, i want it changed" - where's your currency to demand that? with your seven posts. And despite ApeX explaining over and over what a sig was, the dude still won't accept the explanation.

    but I take your point laika, I'll pull my horns in :)
    No, you're completely right about the arrogance (and unwillingness to read what was being said to him) in the PM's - there's no excuse for that.

    I think the bit about being an established community with rules is harder, simply because those rules aren't crystal clear to someone who's just joined and is getting used to the site. I completely disagree with how he PM'd ApeX demanding the pics be taken down, but I can see how it could happen that someone would think that those pics were referring to something else (which I'd never even thought of before today!) and would send a (politely-worded!) mail to ask about them.

    This is excellent entertainment though:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 Gone West
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    I love the way he is pretending he can get things done...
    I assume he *is* familiar with the seanad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 RuggieBear
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    wtf is going on? seriously can someone explain to me what is actually happening on this thread?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Cabaal
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    RuggieBear wrote:
    wtf is going on? seriously can someone explain to me what is actually happening on this thread?

    RuggieBear, I demand you remove that image from your post,
    clearly you are insinuating that Shay Conway drinks with bears....
    :rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,730 delly
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    Cabaal, your sig titled 'Jazz hands' is very similar to the word 'jizz' which would imply 'jizz hands', which means I could be associated with manual relief. Please remove forthwith.


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    Laika wrote:
    Let's see what happens today about it.

    Yup, he's been banned.

    5-star thread. Plus I think we found a winner for '****-up of the year'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 po0k
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    RuggieBear wrote:
    wtf is going on? seriously can someone explain to me what is actually happening on this thread?

    head_up_arse.jpgmcnet.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 Edwardius
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    Myth wrote:
    Yup, he's been banned.

    5-star thread. Plus I think we found a winner for '****-up of the year'.
    +1. Nothing like a bit of hysteria!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Cabaal
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    delly wrote:
    Cabaal, your sig titled 'Jazz hands' is very similar to the word 'jizz' which would imply 'jizz hands', which means I could be associated with manual relief. Please remove forthwith.

    delly, the note under your name "'tis a red star day" seems to employ communism, please take your political views and oppression of free speech elsewhere..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 Tricity Bendix
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    Myth wrote:
    Yup, he's been banned.
    For what? Not knowing what a sig is? Or for other reasons us unmodly mortals are not privvy to?


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    b.ie polar wrote:
    For what? Not knowing what a sig is? Or for other reasons us unmodly mortals are not privvy to?

    From http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/banlist.php
    So, first you come on pimping your election agenda, and then you decide to make a threat of legal action. Leave. Go elsewhere. You're no longer welcome here.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,730 delly
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    Cabaal wrote:
    delly, the note under your name "'tis a red star day" seems to employ communism, please take your political views and oppression of free speech elsewhere..
    Very well comrade Cabaal, Moscow will be informed of your Western ways.


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    delly wrote:
    Very well comrade Cabaal, Moscow will be informed of your Western ways.

    Is it wrong that I read that like it was spoken by Sean Connery?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 Tricity Bendix
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    Yeah, scratch that. Thats what I get for checking boards before I check my email.

    What an unpleasant event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ApeXaviour
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    Okay, we've had our fun. He's been banned now, and cant reply. I think it's only fair to close the thread and not let it become a monument of humiliation.


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