H-Dip Points...

comewatmay

Hi,

Just finished arts course in ucd, got history 60% and Geography 54% giving 57 average and 2.2 degee.Could someone tell me how the points system works for the h-dip and have i any chance of getting in? If not what do i need to do to build up my points?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Trotter

comewatmay wrote:

Hi,

Just finished arts course in ucd, got history 60% and Geography 54% giving 57 average and 2.2 degee.Could someone tell me how the points system works for the h-dip and have i any chance of getting in? If not what do i need to do to build up my points?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.pac.ie/hdip/downloads/hb07hdip.pdf

The points should be in this document...

comewatmay

Trotter wrote:

http://www.pac.ie/hdip/downloads/hb07hdip.pdf

The points should be in this document...

Cheers i already looked at that document it is so confusing i cant really understand it, was hoping someone with experiance could advise me

Rosita

comewatmay wrote:

Hi,

Just finished arts course in ucd, got history 60% and Geography 54% giving 57 average and 2.2 degee.Could someone tell me how the points system works for the h-dip and have i any chance of getting in? If not what do i need to do to build up my points?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

A degree of 54%-57% average comes to 38 points on the PAC system for that course. The lowest accepted this year in UCD/UCC/UCG was on 41 points and the lowest in Maynooth was on 42, (these points are more or less the same as they were last year so they probably don't deviate much) so being honest you would fall a long way short. To be hitting 41 points you'd be averaging between 63 & 65%. Buckets of teaching experience would count for extra points, but another option, if you had the stomach for it, might be an MA in History which would net you and extra 6 points which would guarantee you a place on the HDip. It would also be a useful and well-regarded qualification to have in teaching if they would accept you at 60%.

On the other hand if you are into teaching, you probably would rack up the hours quick enough in a year. You would need 250 hours for 3 extra points. If you got fairly solid work for a few months you wouldn't feel getting up to that, but would need to make sure it was well documented. I'd say a reasonably busy year subbing would gain you the extra points.

comewatmay

Rosita wrote:

A degree of 54%-57% average comes to 38 points on the PAC system for that course. The lowest accepted this year in UCD/UCC/UCG was on 41 points and the lowest in Maynooth was on 42, (these points are more or less the same as they were last year so they probably don't deviate much) so being honest you would fall a long way short. To be hitting 41 points you'd be averaging between 63 & 65%. Buckets of teaching experience would count for extra points, but another option, if you had the stomach for it, might be an MA in History which would net you and extra 6 points which would guarantee you a place on the HDip. It would also be a useful and well-regarded qualification to have in teaching if they would accept you at 60%.

On the other hand if you are into teaching, you probably would rack up the hours quick enough in a year. You would need 250 hours for 3 extra points. If you got fairly solid work for a few months you wouldn't feel getting up to that, but would need to make sure it was well documented. I'd say a reasonably busy year subbing would gain you the extra points.

Thanks Rosita exactly what i was looking for.Would i need to do a masters in history or would any masters do?Then again with my results i probably wouldnt get into another masters would i......do you know how many points a diploma would be worth.

About the subbing, does this actually happen a lot where people do the work cause i heard loads of people go to their old school and get them to write a letter for the hours without actually doing them

Rosita

comewatmay wrote:

Thanks Rosita exactly what i was looking for.Would i need to do a masters in history or would any masters do?Then again with my results i probably wouldnt get into another masters would i......do you know how many points a diploma would be worth.

About the subbing, does this actually happen a lot where people do the work cause i heard loads of people go to their old school and get them to write a letter for the hours without actually doing them

C,

Now that you mention it a Post-Grad Diploma would be worth 3 points so that might do you too. The PAC just gives the points for a Masters without specifying anything more than that so apparently any Masters would do but I couldn't be sure.

I honestly don't know about the subbing as I am not in the teaching business. The reason I know as much as I do is that I considered it last year briefly and did plenty of background info on the course beforehand. But if it is the norm to get a favour from a school in relation to hours worked, I'd say go for it!

comewatmay

Rosita wrote:

C,

Now that you mention it a Post-Grad Diploma would be worth 3 points so that might do you too. The PAC just gives the points for a Masters without specifying anything more than that so apparently any Masters would do but I couldn't be sure.

I honestly don't know about the subbing as I am not in the teaching business. The reason I know as much as I do is that I considered it last year briefly and did plenty of background info on the course beforehand. But if it is the norm to get a favour from a school in relation to hours worked, I'd say go for it!

Thanks for all the advice, im going to look into masters courses now see if there is anything interesting.This might sound crazy but there is a diploma course in accounting in DCU, i have no previous experiance in accounting but i reckon i would like to give it a go.You or anyone know anything about accounting

Rosita

comewatmay wrote:

Thanks for all the advice, im going to look into masters courses now see if there is anything interesting.This might sound crazy but there is a diploma course in accounting in DCU, i have no previous experiance in accounting but i reckon i would like to give it a go.You or anyone know anything about accounting

As my bank manager would attest, I know nothing about accounting I'm afraid!

funktastic

I'm pretty sure they would look for some sort of Business or Accounting element in your degree.

smoc

I'm amazed that a 57% average is a 2.2! Are you sure? Is your college different or something because I had just under a B- Average and I only barely got a 2.2 i.e. a gpa of 2.71 to be exact which is a 2.2 in my college although not in most (2.75 is)

gaeilgegrinds

Just to point out that any masters or other qualification acheived this year will not allow you to add on the points until the following year. All applications are in for December 1st & you will not have acheived your qualification by then so it will effectively by Sept '09 that you will begin the course using those points & not Sept '08 if you use your points gained from teaching experience betwenn Sept & Dec of this year...if you get my meaning? Hope that helps!

comewatmay

gaeilgegrinds wrote:

Just to point out that any masters or other qualification acheived this year will not allow you to add on the points until the following year. All applications are in for December 1st & you will not have acheived your qualification by then so it will effectively by Sept '09 that you will begin the course using those points & not Sept '08 if you use your points gained from teaching experience betwenn Sept & Dec of this year...if you get my meaning? Hope that helps!

oh noooo thats bad news for me, i was hoping that the masters would count for the following year, i mean if they allow ya apply wen ur in secund year u should be able to do it in the maiddle of a masters year.Can anyone confirm if this is the case

gaeilgegrinds

You can not apply in second year, you can apply in final year & that goes on your previous years results. Trust me, this is the way it is. I had many friends who did not get it based on their second year results & some chose to do a masters, some chose to do subbing. If you do a masters you will apply with your final years results but the masters will not count until you have actually finished it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. On a plus side you will get paid extra for having a masters but it will be two years before you get around to doing the Dip.

Rosita

This is the real downside of the HDip in Education - that the application has to be in early December, a full ten months before the course starts and of course it means that any course or year of a course you are doing at the time will not be taken into consideration.

I strongly considered applying but would have struggled to get in (in fact I wouldn't have) based on second year marks, but when I was properly focussed for third year - and my BA marks improved by over 13% in one subject and by 10% in the other - and I would have got in, I had gone away from the idea.

It seems odd that the final degree mark for which everyone ultimately aims is not capable of being considered if you are planning on going directly from your primary degree into the HDip. One the other hand I suppose if your second year marks are very good you'll have different point of view! Presumably the early application date is to do with the large numbers applying.

gaeilgegrinds

And probably so only those who only really want it apply too, I mea you rally have to really want it to commit to it that far ahead of time. I always wanted to teach though so had not problem with it.

eddiej

Hi dont mean to hijack this thread (apologies to op) but you talk about relevant degrees and trotter gave that web site I did Ag Sci and I am deemed eligible for Ag Sci and Biology. I did maths, physics and chemistry in Yr 1 can I do these to Junior Cert or this an urban myth.

Cheers

gaeilgegrinds

Myth unless your principal is prepared to go against the Council.

eddiej

GG who is the Council? I was reading through PAC site and it says since I qualify for Biology I can teach Science to Junior Cert so maybe that is what people have ment.

Thanks for reply

spurious

The Teaching Council have all sorts of high sounding 'rules' about who can teach what. It's very different on the ground. If you can take Junior Maths and are already teaching in the school and it means either giving you the few hours or trying to get someone qualified for Maths to come in for just three or four hours, I think we know in the real world what will happen.

gaeilgegrinds

That's what I thought til I moved school, some schools really follow the rules. I know well what happens, 'on the ground,' as you said but some school are different than others and with increased parental querying I think it wise one should be aware that we are only entitled to teach the two subjects we are registered (or will have to be registered) for. Some principals bend rules, others don't.

Trotter

Can everyone be careful to make sure that any information they give here is accurate please!! The teaching council has rules and as time goes on they will become the norm. Its a teething phase and the teaching council will have increasing influence in time to come. We are very much in transition to a higher level of influence from the teaching council.

So... Keep the information accurate please everyone!

neacy69

anybody know what these course are in DKIT as listed in theat handbook:
DK01P, DK03P

tried searching the DKIT site but cant find it?

eddiej

Trotter,

Can you clarify what is not right as now im more confused than the start

Thanks
Eddie

Trotter

eddiej wrote:

Trotter,

Can you clarify what is not right as now im more confused than the start

Thanks
Eddie

Nothing specific Eddie, just in general when people are giving advice, I need them to make sure its accurate. With reference to the Teaching Council, I just dont want anything said here thats inaccurate about them either.

Nothing major in general, just lets all keep it in mind that people come here looking for accurate information. Thats not directed at you Eddie, just everyone involved in the thread.

Lean ar aghaidh!!!

eddiej

Nuff said,

Danke Schon (I never did German before someone says this is wrong)