What do you NOT believe in?

mossieh

What are the limits of your belief, do you ever hear something and say; 'no, that's just absurd'?

Does belief in the paranormal extend to everything? I had a difference of opinion here before when I said that I thought that stories of fairies/púcas/whatever were just as credible as things like mediumship/ghosts/angels. i don't believe in any of these things but I think that if you're willing to put rationality to one side in the assessment of the latter, why not in the former too?

How far does 'keeping an open mind' on these things go for you?

If the poll does not make sense or could have better options, please let me know. ( I know the original question was what do you NOT believe in and the poll is the opposite but we should be able to work out both I think )

6th

Best thread in a long time!

Will respond shortly.

Stoner

IMG, more people think Ghosts exist then a God!!!

Stoner

6th wrote:

Best thread in a long time!.

By long time I assume you mean since the Belly Detector Thread?

Flinty

where is the 'None of the above' option?

6th

If you don't believe in any of them then simply dont click them. Its a thread about people who believe in one element of the paranormal and not others.

jhegarty

What is you think two options may be the same thing (Satan/Uri Geller) ?:D

Zillah

Stoner wrote:

IMG, more people think Ghosts exist then a God!!!

While evidence for them both is circumstantial and highly dubious, there is far far more evidence for ghosts than God.



Where's the all of the above option?

kshiel

I guess people would term this on what they were brought up to believe and what they (think) they have experienced. With the GOD option I have been asking my self the question "what does the word "God" mean to me.? I find that one hard to answer. I believe in spirits and in my opinion have met quite a few but I have never met one to claim he/she it was god, so on that I would have to say I dont know if God exsists but I was brought up in the catholic faith which holds within it a God and didn't really question it up until a few years ago.

6th

Zillah wrote:

While evidence for them both is circumstantial and highly dubious, there is far far more evidence for ghosts than God.

Absolutely!

Zillah wrote:

Where's the all of the above option?

Its multipul choice so click all of them if thats the case.

Zillah

6th wrote:

Its multipul choice so click all of them if thats the case.

Oh...

You ruined my sarky joke

Also, I think anyone who doesn't believe in Uri Geller is a bit deluded...

Riamfada

who clicked fairies??

6th

I didn't click fairies but thats not because I don't believe in them.

mossieh

Interesting results so far...Satan gets no regard, he won't like that...

Riamfada

mossieh wrote:

Interesting results so far...Satan gets no regard, he won't like that...

thats because the quality of death metal has declined in the last 15 years.

stevenmu

Great idea for a thread mossieh,

I went for yes on ghosts, because I do at the moment, I seesaw on that one quite a bit. Sometimes I experience something that I think might be a ghost, but then I question it a lot afterwards

No on fairies simply because I've never really seen any reason to.

Yes on mediums, between mediums and readers I've met a few who have been very very accurate.

Yes again for evil spirits/demons, maybe not in exactly the way it's meant here, but if there are ghosts, than it stands to reason that there are probably spirits which are at least troublesome if not actually evil.

No for alien abductions, it just seems unlikely to me that aliens would come all the way here and abduct people, and go to long lengths to cover up their tracks. But then again, you never know ...

Yes for psychic powers, not sure about telekinesis specifically, altough it does feel like something that should be possible for some reason (not very scientific I know ), but I do believe in precognition having experienced it myself (albeit in a very limited way).

No for angels, assuming 'angels' is meant in the judeo-christian sense, I just see no reason to believe it and personally I think that a lot of the beliefs based around judeo-christian religions, and others, have been created by man over the millenia, altough possibly founded on some truth.

No for God/Allah etc for the same reason, and the same goes for Satan. I do believe in the Buddha, who was (and I think this is generally accepted) a historical figure with a philosophy more than a more abstract deity type (not sure if I believe all the reincarnation stuff though).

And lastly, no for Uri Gellar too, I know he does actually exist, and I actually believe some of the stuff he claims may be possible, but he's been caught cheating and that's enough in my eyes to discredit him.

Sapien

Grimes wrote:

who clicked fairies??

I would have, if I had read the poll correctly. I assumed, because of the title of the thread, that the question was "What do you NOT believe in?", so I ticked "Alien Abductions", "God/Allah/Buddha etc..." and "Uri Geller". So, subtract one from each of those, and add one to the rest.

What's wrong with believing in faeries?

mossieh

stevenmu wrote:

Great idea for a thread mossieh,

I went for yes on ghosts, because I do at the moment, I seesaw on that one quite a bit. Sometimes I experience something that I think might be a ghost, but then I question it a lot afterwards

No on fairies simply because I've never really seen any reason to.

Yes on mediums, between mediums and readers I've met a few who have been very very accurate.

Yes again for evil spirits/demons, maybe not in exactly the way it's meant here, but if there are ghosts, than it stands to reason that there are probably spirits which are at least troublesome if not actually evil.

No for alien abductions, it just seems unlikely to me that aliens would come all the way here and abduct people, and go to long lengths to cover up their tracks. But then again, you never know ...

Yes for psychic powers, not sure about telekinesis specifically, altough it does feel like something that should be possible for some reason (not very scientific I know ), but I do believe in precognition having experienced it myself (albeit in a very limited way).

No for angels, assuming 'angels' is meant in the judeo-christian sense, I just see no reason to believe it and personally I think that a lot of the beliefs based around judeo-christian religions, and others, have been created by man over the millenia, altough possibly founded on some truth.

No for God/Allah etc for the same reason, and the same goes for Satan. I do believe in the Buddha, who was (and I think this is generally accepted) a historical figure with a philosophy more than a more abstract deity type (not sure if I believe all the reincarnation stuff though).

And lastly, no for Uri Gellar too, I know he does actually exist, and I actually believe some of the stuff he claims may be possible, but he's been caught cheating and that's enough in my eyes to discredit him.

Cheers Steve, looking over it now though I think one of you guys could put together a more comprehensive poll, I'm not too well-read on these issues, maybe someone could do a more definitive one?


It seems to be a trend that people here are more likely to believe in the phenomena that don't have a religious flavour. I find this a little curious as I reckon the general public normally rely on their religion to add supernatural spice to their lives.

Is the idea of God or Satan (using the christian system as an example) really less credible than the other phenomena listed here?

mossieh

Sapien wrote:

What's wrong with believing in faeries?

Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious as to why they fare so badly in the poll, compared to alien abductions, for example.

6th

mossieh wrote:

Is the idea of God or Satan (using the christian system as an example) really less credible than the other phenomena listed here?

I've never had an experience with God or Satan and sure as hell have never taken a picture of either.

Riamfada

Well obviously Alien Abductions take place or people are taking the piss in an closed poll. But as far as fairies go , they arnt real. I respect everyones belief but just the way of Santa and the Toothfairy, faries do not possibly exist.

Nothing wrong in believing in them though

j2u

Was URI geller not supposed to help England win the Last world cup ?
Thats what i read in the papers,and i know people are gonna say you cant believe in everything you read in the papers well then in that case its safe to say you shouldlnt believe in anything about Uri Geller,

mossieh

Grimes wrote:

faries do not possibly exist.

Quite a statement, I'm an atheist and utterly sceptical regarding paranormal stuff but I try to avoid saying things like that. Is there any less scientific evidence for fairies than there is for alien abductions? Note, I said alien abductions, not aliens in general.

Riamfada

I also said I dont believe in Geller or Alien Abductions In my opinion paranormal beings slit into a number of different catagories. There are ghosts and such, where scientific evidence has been found, if questionable. The same with Aliens. These two seem to transcend cultures and time. Then there are paranormal beings that are born out of Medieval and Pre-Historic societies and are unique to certain groups of people from certain places. Such as fairies, trolls, goblins ect and can be attributed to human activity such as the casting out of a deformed person from a community.

Personally I would think the world would be a better place if things like fairies existed and i would like to believe in them. Its just that i attribute them more to the historical paranormal than the scientific paranormal.

mossieh

Grimes wrote:

There are ghosts and such, where scientific evidence has been found, if questionable. The same with Aliens. These two seem to transcend cultures and time.

Those aren't two I'd think to put together Grimes. 'Questionable' evidence for ghosts is not evidence, it's nothing. Aliens on the other hand, almost certainly exist somewhere (statistically speaking). Alien abductions however, are another matter...

monkeyfudge

Aren't aliens really just a modern day version of fairies?

A lot of the same behavior can be attributed to both of them. Just popular culture is more accepting of aliens at the moment than fairies, who were big about a 100 years ago.

And I don't believe in Uri Geller... I suspect that he is merely 12 cats selotaped together.

Mr. Presentable

My opinions won't appear on the poll. I don't believe in any of them. What I will say is, I believe in the existence of mediums, but not that they can "see/do" anything. I believe there's aliens out there, but not that they indulge in abductions/anal probings (though, of the list it is to my mind the only option possible) - why would they?

Parallel Universes, now where are they as an option?

kshiel

Would Fairies come under nature spirits?

Riamfada

I think they mean fairies in the Tinkerbell angle.

Anyway who need aliens for anal probing when you have Me and Monkeyfudge. 10 Euro an hour.

Myrddin

If there is one thing that annoys me - its these mediums/tarrot card readers (honestly they are VERY skilled people, VERY observant of their client, and will use this to formulate likely scenarios). On the radio the other day there was one talking to a girl who was expecting a baby...and she says "your getting some work done in the house?", and of course the expected mother says "yes oh my god how did you know that??". I mean cmon anyone with their own house and having a baby is obviously gonna be tidying/preparing a room etc for the new arrival. So I guess its not the "mediums" that annoy me its more people who just cant see how they "know" the things they do.

I certainly DO believe in Aliens, however im a realist and admit that in all probability they have not been here. But sometimes I do wonder how the american military really mixed up a crashed craft with supposed bodies and a classified weather balloon.....maybe we will never know.

Ghosts Im really not sure about...firstly I dont believe in God/Satan/Heaven/Hell etc but I DO respect other peoples opinions. For me its plainly obvious - i dont know how many non christian religions there are in the world, but arnt we supposed to reject all false gods? Are all those other people going to hell? What about the egyptians, the ancient greeks, hindus, buddists etc etc? Are all those people/civilisations in hell because they dont believe in our God? And vice versa I guess. Which moves ghosts into a more scientific area...a living life force or something. Id really really like to believe in that but of all the humans that have died since our civilisation began - shouldnt we see a heck of a lot more sightings and have some concrete proof at this stage?

6th senses - I really am a strong believer in precognition, I think we all have had deja vous strong enough at some point that you actually remember being in the situation your seeing. Which is really weird and ultimately I guess has made be believe that the future is written, and we are on a path of destiny. I mean - we know the past exists because we have been there, so surely if the past exists...so does the future. Because if we travelled back to the past, we would need a place to come back FROM? Ok dont get me started here... I would really really love to believe in telekinesis (yes i love star wars), but again we still have absoloutely NO evidence of it do we?

Ok enough from me. And again, forgive me if I have offended anyone these are just my personal beliefs and agree that we are all entitled to our own.

Regards

faceman

i found the poll misleading and answered wrong. cos the thread was titled what you DONT believe in, i automatically selected the choices that i dont believe in without reading the question. you should re-title the thread.

anyway minus 1 from gellar and fairies and plus 1 to all the rest is what i should have voted.

Dave!

I don't believe in any of them.

Alien abductions is what I come closest to; I believe in life on other planets, but I don't believe they've ever come to earth. I ESPECIALLY don't believe that they abducted Hillybilly Helen and carried out scientific experiments on her.