So... i walked out.

LundiMardi

Yep, exactly what is says on the tin.

After 3 months working in a complete and utter **** hole, i upped and left this morning through sheer pissedoffism. Every other day i got given out to for things that weren't my fault. Of course some things were as i'm still relatively new and learning. But other things weren't and it pissed me off that it all came down to me, and when i stood up for myself it meant nothing, in one ear out the other.

So after another (shine light in eye) ''meeting'' this morning i calmly got up, went to my desk, picket up my keys, got in my car and drove home.

Aaaanyway... Now i'm here, and looking for advice. Thankfully i have some money in the bank to support myself for another month or two. So i'm here applying for jobs, have applied to 6 so far. BUT, all my experience is sales/customer service related, and i really want to get out of this area. In fact i want to get out of the office altogether. I would ideally want a job that involves driving, i don't care what, courier, postman, van driver whatever. Unfortunately i have no experience and only a full b licence. I have looked into a C licence, pretty expensive to get and at present i don't want to dip into the savings to pay for it, considering these savings are to keep me alive till i find a job...

So, what to do what to do!!!!! ?

Jumpy

I know it probably feels more satisfying this way, however I would recommend going back until you find another job. It is far easier to get another job while you are in one.
If they suck that much, just use them until a real job comes along.

Jrad

Yeah, i agree, say you are sorry or you had a dentist appointment or whatever and spend the next while trying to secure another job, piss around, dont take it seriously and use up your sick days and holidays. Im in the same boat but will be ****ing off to oz shortly.........so **** em

LundiMardi

Jumpy wrote:

I know it probably feels more satisfying this way, however I would recommend going back until you find another job. It is far easier to get another job while you are in one.
If they suck that much, just use them until a real job comes along.

I actually couldn't... I know what you mean, only two weeks ago i was in the same position, after an argument in the work place i just wanted to get up and walk out. But i decided to think logically and i knew it wasn't wise to leave and i started looking for a job at that point with the same notion of just using them until something better came along. But this morning was the last straw, no one should have to come in to work afraid of what **** is going to be thrown at you. I got sick of it and decided that my own mental well being is much more important.

Jrad

Actually, when you say it like that, you are absolutely right. Bully to you sir!

Jumpy

Yes but its a job it isnt your life. Let it get thrown at you! Then look down as it splats into you and slides to the floor. Depise them as the **** they are and laugh inside when they try to bully you.
Take a deep breath and take their money until you have a better position.

ballooba

Do you not think you should have raised this with your manager first?

Sounds very passive-agressive. I think you should take the rest of the day off and go back and explain your position in a calm rational manner with a clear head. If that fails to resolve the problems, then walk. If you walk away every time without asserting yourself you are going to spend a lot of time walking. I'm not getting at you btw. Maybe you have tried asserting yourself and it didn't work.

dodgyme

Look you had to do it. Everyone has nearly done this on at least one occasion and over your life you might only do this once or twice. You time has come and you did it. Next thing you need to do is relax and try something/somewhere else. With your attitude I think you did right, and that attitude will help you succeed.

hermit

if it was at all possible I wouldn't leave a job until I had another one lined up - however, without knowing your age, employment history, education etc... i.e. "your employability" (how likely you are to bounce back into employment quickly) your course of action might actually be ok.

As with any job application you will have to do at least one interview sometimes 2 and more - it can be very difficult to attend multiple interviews while your in full time employment - at least having free time you wont have to miss out on potentially good opportunities because you can't get a day off work etc...

LundiMardi

It wasn't just the arguments, it was everything about the job.

First of all, the position i applied for was not the position i was doing. I was basically a receptionist (obviously not what i applied for). The majority of calls were just retail enquiries (we supply trade only). Other than that i was filing and invoicing. Now these last two i knew were part of the job but i was not aware that it would be 95% of the job.

In the 3 months i was there i did about one afternoon of proactive selling, ringing existing customers regarding an offer we were running at the time. The package was worth approx €2000, guess how much this offer saved the customer? A full €40. That's right folks. I tried to explain that i didn't think this offer would have much of an impact. But did anyone listen? Nope. None the less i got started and hey presto, not a single sale. It's quite embarrassing ringing customers and giving them this info, having them laugh over the phone as they can still get the product cheaper elsewhere even with the offer price.

Along with this it was a very small company, i was the only full time employee working in the office, there are two girls who work 3 days a week. These girls have been there for years and i felt rather excluded to say the least, it's hard to fit the new guy into an already established community.

So all in all? A shíthole

ballooba

Sounds like it just didn't work out then. Fair enough.

BTW you can work as a driver on a B licence. Anything up to GVW of 3,500 kilos. That includes most medium vans.

nads

hi

i did the exact same after ~3 weeks!

best decision of my life, fair play to you.

for the last week in my 3 week tenure, everyone was saying to stay in the job and look feverishly for another one etc etc, but you can't, if it was that bad, and it sounded bad, you did the right decision:


My advice:
After noting your predicament, which was/is alarmingly similiar to mine, i decided i couldn't do exactly what i wanted immediately, like your C License craic. so i got a lower paid, lower responcibility lower everything McJob in the line i was previously in, and have had my head down trying to achieve my main goal in the meantime.
So if you have to keep the money coming it, get an easier stressless(and therefore lower paying) office job, cut the nights out, the booze, the luxuries, and get the C License in your spare time or whenever

LundiMardi

hermit wrote:

if it was at all possible I wouldn't leave a job until I had another one lined up - however, without knowing your age, employment history, education etc... i.e. "your employability" (how likely you are to bounce back into employment quickly) your course of action might actually be ok.

As with any job application you will have to do at least one interview sometimes 2 and more - it can be very difficult to attend multiple interviews while your in full time employment - at least having free time you wont have to miss out on potentially good opportunities because you can't get a day off work etc...

I'm 23, have a very good CV and employment record. When applying for jobs last time around, i got this one within a week, and the one before that within 3 days. I hope the trend continues:p

The interview scenario is something i thought of too, 2 days of the week i would be alone in the office, so that rules out 2 days where i could have an interview. Where as now i don't have to worry about that.

One thing though, i am going to keep this employer on my cv and be honest as to why i left (obviously not say that i walked out) but that i was unhappy with the position and felt the duties required of me were not those which i anticipated prior to my employment. But i'm not going to include them in my references. Do you think that looks bad/suspicious?

blahblah06

lundi if your interested get in touch with me and ill point you in the right direction

LundiMardi

ballooba wrote:

Sounds like it just didn't work out then. Fair enough.

BTW you can work as a driver on a B licence. Anything up to GVW of 3,500 kilos. That includes most medium vans.

I know but there aren't a huge amount of positions for B class drivers:(

ballooba

LundiMardi wrote:

I know but there aren't a huge amount of positions for B class drivers:(

Cormie might give you a job. Check out the Motors forum.

chump

you did the right thing imo, life's too short to be putting up with that nonsense - better to live on the breadline imo

homeOwner

LundiMardi wrote:

Yep, exactly what is says on the tin.

After 3 months working in a complete and utter **** hole, i upped and left this morning through sheer pissedoffism. Every other day i got given out to for things that weren't my fault. Of course some things were as i'm still relatively new and learning. But other things weren't and it pissed me off that it all came down to me, and when i stood up for myself it meant nothing, in one ear out the other.

So after another (shine light in eye) ''meeting'' this morning i calmly got up, went to my desk, picket up my keys, got in my car and drove home.

Congrats, sounds like you are better off out of the place. I can totally empathise with you, i have often felt like doing that, in fact I feel like walking out of this place today. However there is the issue of your contract. Did you have to give them notice? Do they owe you money? If you walked out without telling anyone (and I can totally understand why you did it) you at least should call your manager and tell them you are quitting and your decision is final. Its just polite and you dont want to leave and people saying how rude you were etc.... Dont give them any ammunition. I would suspect they will make you come back into the office to get your final pay.

As for your future, check out nixers.ie for some part time jobs until you find a job that suits. Have you thought about doing a Fas course?

Darragh29

Jumpy wrote:

I know it probably feels more satisfying this way, however I would recommend going back until you find another job. It is far easier to get another job while you are in one.
If they suck that much, just use them until a real job comes along.

I wouldn't dream of it, it's probably the best decision you've made in your life and one that took a lot of guts. Did you ever think about working for yourself??? I've a friend who started up a small business in logistics about 3 years ago. It started off with him driving one van and now he has a fleet of about 20 vans and is literally running a gold mine!

mickrourke

LundiMardi wrote:

I know but there aren't a huge amount of positions for B class drivers:(

I feel sorry for you man, I kinda did what you did, but i gave my months notice even though i had no job to go to. When i eventually got a job 6 months later that was also ****, i lied about the reason i left, said i had gone travelling. Anyway, good luck with whatever you get.

Now a friend of mine was going to OZ and he needed to get extra money so he got a job delivering take aways for an indian in his car. He said most nights he would make up to 100 in tips alone (tax free of course) aswell as getting paid to do it. So it's not the worst thing you can do and it could tide you over the hard times till you get something permanent you like

Dave!

LundiMardi wrote:

One thing though, i am going to keep this employer on my cv and be honest as to why i left (obviously not say that i walked out) but that i was unhappy with the position and felt the duties required of me were not those which i anticipated prior to my employment. But i'm not going to include them in my references. Do you think that looks bad/suspicious?

If it's possible to just omit it and not have a huge gap in your employment history, then I'd go for that option TBH.

gary the great

I am thinking of doing the same but giving a months notice. DOnt like my job at all, even the money is fantastic.

I have applied for a few jobs, but am thinking if i dont get anything before I leave i can just do temping to tie me over till i find something.

Im 23 to and a year out of college and think i will move into an area unrealted to my college degree.

ballooba

Not really a great time to be jacking in your job unless you have a good alternative. Today's Indo article heralding the coming of Black Friday may be sensationalist but we are in a state if flux.

foxyboxer

you did the right thing.
winners DO quit.
your mental well being is more important.
i bet it feels fantastic non?:cool:

gary the great

How are getting on? Did you end up going back to the job?

LundiMardi

Hey.

I kinda just had a week off last week, maybe i shouldn't have but hey, i haven't had one in a long time!! I applied for the odd job but nothing much.

I am waiting on a call back from one agency regarding an interview, the companies manager is on holiday but wants to do the interviews himself. So i should hear from her this week sometime, she was very enthusiastic about my CV and said it's the best one so far for the role. Plus the role does sound good. But i need to forget about that for now as i won't know till the end of this week whether or not i have an interview.

La Creme recruitment conveniently rang me this morning asking me if i'm still looking for a job (i applied through them before i got my last job) so i have an interview with them tomorrow. Normally i don't entertain agencies as a lot of time can be wasted going for interviews with them and THEN going to the actual employer. But the the agency is only 5 mins away from my house and the girl said she had lots of positions i'm suitable for so why not. Plus i hear that they are actually quite good.

I applied for a position on Friday and got an email this morning say he will be in contact with me this week to arrange an interview.

Other than that my job hunting starts properly today. I've spend the last 3-4 hours searching and have applied to approx 20 jobs. So that's me for the day. Hopefully i will start getting calls tomorrow, interviews by the end of this week/early next week and with any luck at all i will have a job by the end of next week.

Cheers

LundiMardi

Actually received a couple of calls already. But they seem to take a lot of time.

One i need 3 charachter references from people other than employers or family members that i've known for more than 3 years. I don't think i know more than one person like that.

Another i need to go for an apptitude test before i'm even considered for an interview.

I'm very tempted to give these a miss and just focus on searching in the meantime!

Whatever happened to just a standard interview?

LundiMardi

got another call... i have another interview tomorrow afternoon. It's a job working in a security control room. I've heard of this job before and i heard that the pay was really good. So yeah, may not be the start of a new career but if anything i need to earn lots of money right now so it seems quite applicable.

gary the great

Good to see it. A security control room would be a handy number for the time being while you looked into what you really want to do

LundiMardi

Number one priority for me right now is to pay off my debts quickfast while simultaneously(sp) saving to go travelling for a year or two.

the_syco

LundiMardi wrote:

It's a job working in a security control room.

Ability to remember faces and also to pick out details are important, but remember that there's a chance you'll be bored stupid as well, so think of a few examples how you overcame such hassle's.

gary the great

Do you regret walking out? Or was it a good move?

grahamo

Give yourself a pat on the back OP. We've all gotta walk out on a job sometime. I did it twice and it was a great feeling walking out with my middle finger raised toward the CCTV cameras. Things will work out for the better. There are a lot of jobs around. When it comes to interviews tell them you left for personal reasons. Other bosses won't care as long as you weren't sacked!

LundiMardi

gary the great wrote:

Do you regret walking out? Or was it a good move?

Great move. It's just not worth wasting time over stuff like this. Even with the added stress of having to find another job, i welcome the stress compared to walking into that last place every morning. There's always another job somewhere.

Cheers ''the_syco''. I'll use that, i figured boredom would come into it. I think the job comes with 10 or 12 hour shifts incl unsociable hours. It might be an issue, not too sure how to overcome them. Reading could be one but i assume you need to keep a constant eye on the screens. So unless music is allowed i'm not sure how else to overcome the boredom.

LundiMardi

I just had a good interview and feel good about the position.

However, they said that if successful they will need two written references. One from my most recent employer. So, how do i go about this? Do i contact my employer and request a reference? If so what kind of reference should i be expecting given the circumstances? Aren't there laws about this sort of thing?

gary the great

Isnt it the law that he doesnt have to give you reference, but he can't give you a bad one?

Im not suggesting you do this, but maybe you could write it yourself!?

the_syco

gary the great wrote:

Isnt it the law that he doesnt have to give you reference, but he can't give you a bad one?

Thats wrong. He can't give an untrue one. He's allowed to say you walked.

=-=

LundiMardi, f**k what the others say about max hours, etc, etc. Prepare to do a 60+ hour week, but this does depend on where you do it. You may get a nice 39 hour week, but most people I know who've done security say they have done 6 day weeks. If you're in for the money, you'll do well, but the days that pay the most are usually the weekends.

Try to look up and see what hours your sector usually does, etc. In the cinema, it was usual enough, but if your doing it on an industrial complex, the hours may be all over the place.

LundiMardi

Well, i was offered the job for the interview i had yesterday. It's not the control room operator one, it's another for a well known bank in Citywest.

They do require 2 written references, one from my most recent employer. However, the impression i have gotten is that the job is mine and not conditional on the references. It's just a formality that they need references on file or something. Fingers crossed.

the_syco

LundiMardi wrote:

Well, i was offered the job for the interview i had yesterday. It's not the control room operator one, it's another for a well known bank in Citywest.

Nice. May see you out there, when I apply for a job out there.

LundiMardi wrote:

They do require 2 written references, one from my most recent employer. However, the impression i have gotten is that the job is mine and not conditional on the references. It's just a formality that they need references on file or something. Fingers crossed.

Past jobs, or past employers? If you're mates with any of the supervisors, you can use them as the reference, if its for the job :cool:

stepbar

LundiMardi wrote:

Well, i was offered the job for the interview i had yesterday. It's not the control room operator one, it's another for a well known bank in Citywest.

They do require 2 written references, one from my most recent employer. However, the impression i have gotten is that the job is mine and not conditional on the references. It's just a formality that they need references on file or something. Fingers crossed.

AIB? Doing what?

LundiMardi

Well, they do need written references. I'm almost positive that they said in the interview that one has to be from my most recent employer, however in the email they sent confirming the details they write that i need ''2 written references'', they don't mention recent employer or even employers in general. So, what do people think, should i just go for a older employer for a reference? After all, they can't expect me to remember every detail mentioned in the interview and they probably couldn't even 'testify' to having mentioned the 'most recent' employer, as i know they have done a lot of interviews recently.

I can't use any mates as supervisors to send me a reference as there was no supervisors in the last job, just me, 2 part time girls and the general manager. So i be ****ed, however, I will send him a letter of apology for walking out and ask politely to send a brief reference. Who knows, he may be nice about it and just send a short reference just detailing the facts of the job. He can even say i left without notice, that's allowed seeing as i was still in my probation period. Basically it's not what he says, it's how he says it that may fúck me over. In the mean time, i will contact two other past employers and and get written references off them.

As far as I'm aware the position is for the corporate section dealing with online banking for businesses. That's as much as i know to be honest. Seems alright though, it's a busy place by the looks of it.

LundiMardi

Quick question,

I spoke to an older employer and they say that they can't give me a reference because i was hired through an agency. I've contact the agency who will send me a 'reference' but it will only contain the bare minimum facts, basically stating that i worked in such a place for such and such a time.

Can the employer refused to give me a reference based on this?

eve

LundiMardi wrote:

It wasn't just the arguments, it was everything about the job.

First of all, the position i applied for was not the position i was doing. I was basically a receptionist (obviously not what i applied for). The majority of calls were just retail enquiries (we supply trade only). Other than that i was filing and invoicing. Now these last two i knew were part of the job but i was not aware that it would be 95% of the job.

In the 3 months i was there i did about one afternoon of proactive selling, ringing existing customers regarding an offer we were running at the time. The package was worth approx €2000, guess how much this offer saved the customer? A full €40. That's right folks. I tried to explain that i didn't think this offer would have much of an impact. But did anyone listen? Nope. None the less i got started and hey presto, not a single sale. It's quite embarrassing ringing customers and giving them this info, having them laugh over the phone as they can still get the product cheaper elsewhere even with the offer price.

Along with this it was a very small company, i was the only full time employee working in the office, there are two girls who work 3 days a week. These girls have been there for years and i felt rather excluded to say the least, it's hard to fit the new guy into an already established community.

So all in all? A shíthole

This sounds so similar to the situation my partnet is in. Even down the the other people doing half-days or 3 day weeks. He decided a few months ago to apply to go back to college to do something completely unrelated to what he did the first time around and what he's doing now. He had kept it quiet that he got offered a place until someone found out this week. His boss rang him up offering more money, increases commission and mileage allowance and backdating the pay if he'd stay. He was also asked to come in early the next morning for a meeting. He was considering taking the offer until about 10 mins after he arrived in work the next morning. His boss never had the meeting and after waiting around over an hour he was told to get on with the days tasks. I'd like to say 'Needless to say, he's going back to college' but the truth is that I just don't know.

penexpers

LundiMardi wrote:

Quick question,

I spoke to an older employer and they say that they can't give me a reference because i was hired through an agency. I've contact the agency who will send me a 'reference' but it will only contain the bare minimum facts, basically stating that i worked in such a place for such and such a time.

Can the employer refused to give me a reference based on this?

That's all they are obliged to say.

LundiMardi

Just thought i'd update you all on this...

The job with AIB was retracted as they say my leaving cert results weren't up to scratch, even though they hadn't specified any such requirements at any stage. So, i will eventually follow this up with a letter of dissatisfaction.

However, on a lighter note, i have been offered a very lucrative position in field sales and i start on monday. Excellent salary, incredible commission, health care, lunch allowance, phone allowance and company car all included. So it seems it all worked out in the end.

Thanks to all.

Stargal

LundiMardi wrote:

However, on a lighter note, i have been offered a very lucrative position in field sales and i start on monday. Excellent salary, incredible commission, health care, lunch allowance, phone allowance and company car all included. So it seems it all worked out in the end.

Thanks to all.

Sounds like it's all worked out for the best - that job sounds great

Kinetic^

LundiMardi wrote:

The job with AIB was retracted as they say my leaving cert results weren't up to scratch, even though they hadn't specified any such requirements at any stage. So, i will eventually follow this up with a letter of dissatisfaction.

They asked for my LC results too............wtf is up with that?:rolleyes:

Does your new job start in a place that begins with "c" and end with "t"?

LundiMardi

Kenny 5 wrote:

Does your new job start in a place that begins with "c" and end with "t"?

Nope:)

fret_wimp

Sometime you just gota go. I got a job when I left college. I went for the intervew, explained my experience level exactly and told no lies. As I was desperate for anything I was delighted to get the job even at the crappy wages. When I started i was given work that was way above my head, with no training or help. My boss would get annoyed and look down upon me when i could do the stuff he could do easily. Often he would take work i had done, completely disregard it and do it again himself as he said my effort wasnt good enough. Just sucked all the confidence out of me. I know its the real world, but I was just a young student fresh from college and quite vunerable and could have done with a little bit of help and confidence building. It really was a sly form of bullying. I left the job within 2 weeks, didnt get any pay, and took me 5 months before I got my confidence back up enough to get a new job, quite a dark time. I now feel stronger because of the expirience and have a good job with a much better salary than the old place. My point is, that as much as I value that expirience for making me a stronger person, I still think It would have been better if i did not have to go through that at all. Your mental wellbeing is infinately more important than some sucky job. Dont worry about gaps in your employment history. I dont even mention that previous job on my cv and it doesnt affect me in any way whatsoever. So kudos to you my friend for knowing your limits, and knowing when to cut your losses.