**** in 12+ films

Jrembin

Can they say c*** in 12 rated films?

I'm pretty sure they can drop an F bomb in there once or twice.

If a film is all fine and well and then then someone says c***, will it stay or go to 15? They can say c*** in 15s, right?

Also can PG movies say f***? Does it ever happen?

I don't know why I care.

o1s1n

http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/classcatintro?opendocument&type=graphic

2A
12A

Theme/content. Films classified as 12A are likely to feature more mature themes; e.g. Involving crime; conflict; relationships; etc.; but young persons of twelve and over will already be familiar with them from their television viewing.

Context: We try to retain a flexibility of approach and look at the context and impact of the film as a whole; rather than rating it only on the basis of one short image or scene.

Violence: This should be relatively mild or moderate and it should not be imitative; gratuitous; nor glamourised.

Sexual content/nudity: Generally; only mild dialogue and natural non-sexual nudity are acceptable.

Drugs. Mild or brief images of 'soft' drugs may be permitted in an appropriate context; but normally no images of or references to 'hard' drugs are acceptable.

Language. Commonly used milder swear words may be acceptable; but not sexually violent; explicit or threatening language.

Binomate

**** *** * *** **** ** **** ** ******* *** ****.

Jrembin

o1s1n wrote:

http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/classcatintro?opendocument&type=graphic

2A
12A

Theme/content. Films classified as 12A are likely to feature more mature themes; e.g. Involving crime; conflict; relationships; etc.; but young persons of twelve and over will already be familiar with them from their television viewing.

Context: We try to retain a flexibility of approach and look at the context and impact of the film as a whole; rather than rating it only on the basis of one short image or scene.

Violence: This should be relatively mild or moderate and it should not be imitative; gratuitous; nor glamourised.

Sexual content/nudity: Generally; only mild dialogue and natural non-sexual nudity are acceptable.

Drugs. Mild or brief images of 'soft' drugs may be permitted in an appropriate context; but normally no images of or references to 'hard' drugs are acceptable.

Language. Commonly used milder swear words may be acceptable; but not sexually violent; explicit or threatening language.

Wait does this mean they cant even say f-ck?

o1s1n

BBFC.co.uk-

Language

The use of strong language (eg 'fcuk') must be infrequent. Racist abuse is also of particular concern.

Jrembin

o1s1n wrote:

BBFC.co.uk-

Language

The use of strong language (eg 'fcuk') must be infrequent. Racist abuse is also of particular concern.

So they can say fcuk it in England but its 15 material here?

What about cnut though? Is that 12 over there if it's just once?

Jrembin

Wait nvm.

Cnut needs justification for UK 15+ so I assume it never happens in 12+ and it probably warrants 18 here.

Caliden

Cnut Doesn't seem that bad to me, I'm not entirely sure why it offends people so much

qz

Cnut lol

seamus

Jrembin wrote:

So they can say fcuk it in England but its 15 material here?

What about cnut though? Is that 12 over there if it's just once?

Movies don't automatically get higher ratings based on what words they say.

The movies are viewed by the Irish Film Censor's office and then rated based on the overall content of the movie. In recent years they've been much more in line with the BBFC ratings (and even rated some movies lower iirc). There are no hard and fast rules that say - "Swearing = 15", but I'm sure they have a handbook which sets out certain guidelines for certain types of content, e.g. "Full nudity = minimum 16 rating".

r3nu4l

Yes, for many years the Irish censors have been much more lenient than British censors. I remember seeing Lethal Weapon 3 in a cinema in Wales while I was on holiday with a load of friends...I'd already seen it in Ireland. It was like watching two totally different films despite the same age rating in both countries. The British version had lots of the swear words either completely cut or the word "fuck" and it's variants replaced with "frig" and it's variants.

Some Irish films have in the past had higher ratings than the British film but again that is because the censor didn't cut the film, instead restricting the audience, which imo is the correct way to do things!

Cianos

Having worked in a video shop before, I thought it was pretty weird when parents would come up with a 15's video, and in a hush-hush ask me was there any sex or nudity in it. Then a few minutes later, after their child had picked a game bring that up too. I'd point out that the game was strictly over 18's because it was so violent (with one of those yellow-sticker warnings across the front of it like Manhunt or whatever). "Oh thats fiiiiiiiiiiiine". How has it gotten to the stage where something natural like sex and nudity is such a no-no, whereas ultra-violence is perfectly acceptable?!

Our man in Havana

I rang the IFCO about this and they said that the c*** word is an auto 18 cert regardless of other content.

Wacker

Bond-007 wrote:

I rang the IFCO about this and they said that the c*** word is an auto 18 cert regardless of other content.

I read something like that once. It gets said repeatedly in Intermission though, which was 15s.
I don't see why a word should be so stigmatised myself. 15s should be plenty for such movies.

Miguel_Sanchez

Bond-007 wrote:

I rang the IFCO about this and they said that the c*** word is an auto 18 cert regardless of other content.

You can't believe everything that IFCO say. In 2005 they told me that Clockwork Orange was still banned in Ireland.

BendiBus

The 'C' word that upsets me most is 'Censor'. I wish IFCO would become the Film Classification Office. I know that's effectively what it is these days, but I'd like it reflected in the name.

Jrembin

Wacker wrote:

I read something like that once. It gets said repeatedly in Intermission though, which was 15s.
I don't see why a word should be so stigmatised myself. 15s should be plenty for such movies.

Intermission is an Irish film though, isn't it?

They get lower ratings for some reason? Like Micheal Collins was PG for some reason.

Actually I was watching Election the other day which is 18 here and 15 in England.

I think it's because of either:

A reference to a wet pussy.
The word ****.
A brief scene from a porno, you cant see anything obv. Just her tits.

Are 1 and 3 15s stuff?

Jrembin

BendiBus wrote:

The 'C' word that upsets me most is 'Censor'. I wish IFCO would become the Film Classification Office. I know that's effectively what it is these days, but I'd like it reflected in the name.

Yeah the whole point of this thread was to say cnut in a thread title. Damn Boards.ie censorship.

Our man in Havana

Jrembin wrote:

Actually I was watching Election the other day which is 18 here and 15 in England.

I think it's because of either:

A reference to a wet pussy.
The word ****.
A brief scene from a porno, you cant see anything obv. Just her tits.

Are 1 and 3 15s stuff?

1 and 3 are 16s stuff now. The 16 cert is now similar to the UK 15 cert.
No way would they allow that in a 15A here.

It would be a certain C word that earned it it's 18 cert.

Jello

Since they've introduced the new 16 cert though, I've noticed there's more 18's rated DVDs here with the IFCO 18 sticker stuck over the BBFC's 15 rating as they don't seem to like lowering a film that was 16's in the cinema to a 15 DVD rating... so they just bring it up to 18's. From the top of my head Pan's Labyrinth, Borat, Babel, Jarhead, The 40 Year Old Virgin, Notes on a Scandal, Little Children, Tenacious D film - these were all 16's in the cinema and are now rated 18's on DVD but are only 15's in the UK, which is pretty stupid IMO.. having to be 16 to see the film in the cinema but 18 to get the DVD!

AbusesToilets

I seem to remember back in the day that the film Courage Under Fire was 15's and it had the word cnut in it.My mom wanted to bring me and then she wouldn't because of this.
Such a cnut

Our man in Havana

That is because there is no 16 DVD cert. If the distributor wanted to get a 15DVD cert they would have to re-edit the film just for Ireland and considering the small size of the market it would not be financially viable so they simply allow the IFCO to grant a 18 cert.

Winters

Is the origional poster 12 or something?

Films are rated very fair and balanced over here I find. I will admit it is very rare I will ever notice a film receive a higher rating then it should and they seem to be more or less inline with European ratings.

The idea to put an age rating on a film up in order to keep the original soundtrack and not remove certain curse words for the sake of appealing to a younger audience sits very well with me. Its terrible to see a movie butchered and words or scenes removed so it can get a younger and bigger audience.

radiospan

The daytime TV version of Pulp Fiction I saw in the States just has to be seen! Whenever Samuel L Jackson says "motherfcuker" it's dubbed over with some completely different voice saying "mighty friendly". Brilliant!

JC 2K3

Sure is there any real point to censorship nowadays?

Firstly, kids rarely ever get refused admission to cinemas or refused from buying videos and secondly, even if they are, the smart kids can use teh internets and download them.

I suppose they're a guideline to the protective parent, but they don't really serve any real purpose besides that nowadays...

StarryBud

METALLICA: SOME KIND OF MONSTER

From screenit.com:
At least 75 "f" words (3 used with "mother"), 23 "s" words, 2 using male genitals ("d*ck"), 6 asses (2 used with "hole"), 3 hells, 2 craps, 1 damn, 1 S.O.B., 2 uses of "Oh my God" and 1 use each of "G-damn," "God" and "Jesus Christ."

Rated 12PG by the Irish Censor:
http://www.ifco.ie/IFCO/ifcoweb.nsf/SearchViewFilm/B00688E6F2988F6380256F240054D859?OpenDocument&OpenUp=True

JC 2K3

It's not about the amount of swear words used, it's about the context in which they're used.

Clearly casual swearing in a documentary about a metal band isn't as worthy of censorship as vicious cursing that's portrayed as to demean someone in a fictional film.