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too thin?

  • 15-06-2007 12:36am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭


    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB ($103.45)
    UTG ($124.75)
    MP ($53.85)
    CO ($52.05)
    Button ($167.45)
    Hero ($145)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Kclub.gif, Kdiamond.gif.
    3 folds, Button raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $13, BB calls $12, Button folds.

    Flop: ($29.50) 4diamond.gif, 3club.gif, 5heart.gif(2 players)
    Hero bets $22, BB calls $22.

    Turn: ($73.50) 2club.gif(2 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks.

    River: ($73.50) 3spade.gif(2 players)
    Hero bets $35

    I was about to bet the turn and shove river when I realised any ace made a straight.


    he's a 22/17/3, original raiser 16/11/2. i haven't been defending my blinds




    what about this one?

    he's a 40/18/5.6 fish.

    Seat 1: imhappytobe ( $183.45 USD )
    Seat 2: longlong5201 ( $92.68 USD )
    Seat 3: FenixOnTilt ( $173.87 USD )
    Seat 4: EveryHandsAparty ( $96.15 USD )
    Seat 5: phantom_lord ( $206.35 USD )
    Seat 6: santalino ( $100.32 USD )
    phantom_lord posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    santalino posts big blind [$1 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to phantom_lord [ Jd Td ]
    imhappytobe folds
    longlong5201 calls [$1 USD]
    FenixOnTilt folds
    phantom_lord calls [$0.50 USD]
    santalino checks
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, 9d, Qh ]
    phantom_lord bets [$2 USD]
    santalino calls [$2 USD]
    longlong5201 folds
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
    phantom_lord bets [$5 USD]
    santalino calls [$5 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
    phantom_lord bets [$10 USD]
    santalino raises [$30 USD]
    phantom_lord folds
    santalino does not show cards.
    santalino wins $55.15 USD


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭BobSloane


    I dont know what to do on the turn or river. I probably just give up

    Edit : I call the second one. What u think he has - Q9 - or the crazy backdoor flush. Maybe a bad call but he's 5.6AF. He's raising any other house making hand pre-flop i think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    bump?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    DOnt mind the 1st one. Looks like he has a pocket pair. I'd probably raise a little more preflop as well.

    Second one is fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭NickyOD


    Getting 3:1 I call the river bet. I think I'm more worried about 66 than an ace given the villains flop call. A lot of bad palyers will bet 88-QQ here.

    Second one looks fine to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭[nicK]


    1, fairly standard, although betting turn is villain dependent and i would definately do it 70% of the time against unknowns..

    2, raise pf - failing that, given how iis played, i lead flop and turn, check/calling a river bluff or made hand.. (¨show me better¨) standard..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Hand 1:

    I think this is a very interesting hand and id like to hear more discussion on it.

    If you Bet half the pot your getting value from 66-QQ and your unlikely to get re-raised by anyone with 22 or 44 or 55 which are hands were behind, we can rule out 3x because hes not going to call a 3 bet preflop with 3x. So basically your only get RR here by AA or Ax or the very unlikely 33. If i took this line i would bet $25 and fold to the RR

    If we check theyre unlikely to bet 66-JJ for value because theyre probably putting you on AA-QQ after the 3bet preflop but they may bet 22 or 44 or 55 for value, AA or Ax will also raise so very few hands that beat you will check behind. Id check fold to a large bet here. Is this line inducing a bluff, i dont think so as much as its a very dangerous board to bluff on?

    I think id be in favour of check/folding here as your only very likely to be raised by a better hand.

    Hand 2

    I dont mind limping in late position with Suited Conns, raising's fine too.

    I think regardless of how loose he is theres very few players that will RR a paired straight flush flop with anything less than a monster regardless of the level theyre playing at so i like this fold your never ahead enough times to be profitable making this call even if the villain is a donk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    I had to get the hand emailed because I disconnected, and the converter doesn't recognise the different format.


    Seat 1: NoCreditAvailable ( $54.80)
    Seat 2: widowinblack ( $168.90)
    Seat 3: sarcosuchus ( $145.30)
    Seat 4: jaanatimonen ( $101)
    Seat 5: phantom_lord ( $171.85)
    Seat 6: hippopotamouse ( $100.15)
    widowinblack posts small blind (0.50)
    sarcosuchus posts big blind (1)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to phantom_lord [ 8c, 9c ]
    jaanatimonen folds.
    phantom_lord raises (4) to 4
    hippopotamouse calls (4)
    NoCreditAvailable folds.
    widowinblack folds.
    sarcosuchus folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 2d, 6d ]
    phantom_lord bets (7)
    hippopotamouse calls (7)
    ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
    phantom_lord bets (15)
    hippopotamouse calls (15)
    ** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
    phantom_lord bets (145.85)
    phantom_lord is all-In.

    50ish in the middle and he had 75ish left. what do you think compared to just value betting it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Yeah if your going to bet, might as well push it, his stack is not much more then pot anyway.
    I also might check, all depends on the opponant.


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