Idiot End of a Straight

Ste05

Seat 1: Villain#1 ($197.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Bongorama ($396.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Salcifufu ($58.50 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: Hero ($260.65 in chips)
Seat 8: chugchug ($258.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Villain#2 ($388.15 in chips)
Hero: Post SB $1.00
chugchug: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8h 7s]
Villain#2: Call $2.00
Villain#1: Call $2.00
Bongorama: Fold
Salcifufu: Fold
Hero: Call $1.00
chugchug: Check
*** FLOP *** [3c 10d 9h]
Hero: Bet $6.00
chugchug: Fold
Villain#2: Call $6.00
Villain#1: Call $6.00
*** TURN *** [Js]
Hero: Check
Villain#2: Bet $14.00
Villain#1: Raise $28.00
Hero Call Raise or Fold???

Everyone bet the turn? What do you do now?

Some info for anyone that wants it:

Villain#1 is 24/7/0.84 over 500 hands, is usually quite straight forward. Most of these 500 hands were played not with me, so we don't have alot of history together (maybe 60 hands this session). He seemed to like to play pots with me and was calling alot of my bets and raises, I was CO to his BB and was raising alot from there. I had made a big river call and got stacked by him, which he then lost to Villain 2 below. I can't remember those hands exactly but I think they were fairly standard, I don't know how the other guy stacked him (4-tabling).

Villain#2 in this hand seemed to be very aggressive and not really that good, he likes to take stabs alot. (42/14/.86 but only over c. 60 hands) he actually seemed more aggressive Post Flop then his stats would lead to believe, but that's what my PT stats said.

I would have quite a bad LAGGY image, even though my stats were something like 22/16/3. Played pretty wild to begin with then calmed down. These 2 definitely noticed the wildness.

phantom_lord

i'd fold pretty quickly, and be pretty certain one of them turns up with kq.

insafehands

I instacall.

hotspur

It's times like that when you wish you were a shortstacking scumbag. It's a lousy spot to be in, I don't like the check on the turn actually, it makes it even harder, it *might* have been easier if you bet. Against 1 player I generally will not fold in this spot. My instinct tells me that both flat calling you on the flop spells possible trouble, I think a 2 pair would have raised and usually a ten including JT.

You are praying that 1 has a slow playing set and another 2 pair. With the stacks those sizes I would be very tempted to lay it down. The min reraise scares the hell out of me, this guy isn't trying to shut out a draw. If all the money goes in you are likely to be losing in my opnion. And I say that as a man who got all his money in with 78 on a 9TJ flop to a KQ scumbag only today

opr

I have to fold here given the action.

Opr

bops

i bet the turn - now i fold

phantom_lord

disconnect.

Ste05

phantom_lord wrote:

disconnect.

LOL, I wish I had of thought of that... seems the perfect spot to do it...

ianmc38

Yeah call and use DP if the original better pushes. If he just calls. Get ready to use it on the river. Definitely the most +EV line.

BobSloane

Yeah I think you should bet the turn. I don't think a set is that likely considering the pre-flop action. Villian 2 probably only bet at this cause he thinks you gave up. Villian 1 could have KQ - or Q8 which I'd lean more towards. Those are crazy low AFs! Seeing as you are likely drawing dead out of position I would fold as played.
(You did and it went to showdown with 10J against three 3s and you shouted D'oh!)