WWDC Keynote

Breezer

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/11/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2007/

Opinions?

Intel: Yes, it's nice being able to run Windows. Thank you

Games: Well I'm not a gamer, but the amount of times I've heard of people buying Windows boxes just to run games is annoying. Hopefully this is the start of something good to come.

New Leopard Desktop: Well the transparency is nice (though I hope there's a way of making the menu bar opaque), and it's a nice picture, but I could change that already. Although I'm glad to finally see the demise of brushed metal and the adoption of the iTunes 7/Uno Shade look - looks very slick

Stacks: I'm in two minds: on the one hand it provides greater functionality, on the other it's almost turning the dock into the mess that is the Windows Start Menu (I said almost ). Surely the idea of the dock is to keep things simple, allowing you quick access to your most frequently used apps?

Downloads stack: Em, couldn't we already put a downloads folder in there if we wanted to? Or on the desktop? Or anywhere?

New Finder: Looks nice, but where the hell are the tabs?! Letting Spotlight search networked drives is a good idea though, but I hope its speed and interface improve significantly. Cover flow could work well I think, and be far more useful than on iTunes where I never use it as it's far too slow.

Back to My Mac and .Mac: Nice, but pricey I'm sure. LogMeIn Free seems to perform a similar function at no cost (admittedly I've used neither this nor .Mac)

Quick Looks: Love this Nothing worse than waiting for NeoOffice to load just to view the contents of a .doc file

64-bit: A nice looking new technology that my Core Duo Macbook can't handle Yeah, fine, I admit I'm bitter.

Boot Camp: No drivers needed Excellent! And no replacing Parallels or VMWare. I was worried Apple would swamp these two. Competition is a good thing IMO.

Spaces: Yeah, nice, we've seen it before.

Dashboard: Meh.

iChat: Here we have tabs - why can't we have them in Finder? Keynote and movie streaming looks amazing. But it remains an excellent programme crippled by a lack of MSN integration. I'll be sticking with Adium and Skype I think.

Time Machine: Very nice

Safari for Windows: I'm sorry, what? :mad: I don't even use Safari on the Mac. iTunes' success on Windows was linked to the success of the iPod. I can't see this taking off.

iPhone: Well at that price and the fact that Meteor almost certainly won't sell it I won't be getting one, so I'm indifferent here.

Sorry, I know I went on a bit here. In summary though, I can't see any reason to upgrade to Leopard until Leopard-only apps dictate that I have to. It's got a nice interface, but I have Uno for that. A better Finder (despite the lack of tabs), but I use Quicksilver anyway. Time Machine is nice but I have a backup solution already. Etc etc. There just doesn't seem to be anything that I can't do in Tiger using very stable 3rd party apps.

I'll save myself the €129 and invest in some more RAM.

Dont be at yourself

Not quite 10 new features, but interesting none the less.

Finder being overhauled is very welcome, and iChat, Spaces and Time Machine look great. I'm downloading Safari 3 as we speak. I can see it drawing many windows users to the mac if it is as fast as they say.

I didn't really get the whole Stacks business though!

Cabaal

Stacks seems very interesting, not sure about coverflow in finder...suppose could be handy in documents and movie folders.

Safari for windows...can't see it passing out firefox but its good to have competition and it might make moving to mac abit handier for windows users...and visa versa

I'll likely fork out the 129 for the ultimate version of Leopard

Breezer

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

I'm downloading Safari 3 as we speak. I can see it drawing many windows users to the mac if it is as fast as they say.

I really can't see this happening. Windows users use iTunes because it's the only thing that works with their iPod. Most of them that don't have an iPod use Windows Media Player in whatever incarnation came on their PC.

They already have a decent browser in Internet Explorer 7 (and many are happy with IE6, rightly or wrongly). If Windows users were so concerned about the browser they use they'd all have downloaded Firefox by now (not slating Firefox here, I'm a happy Firefox user on all platforms myself).

uncle_sam_ie

Their adding Safari to windows I bet because of the iPhone. New look for the Apple website. It looks good.

spidermonkey

i think the safari for windows could be a type of migratory device for windows based iphone buyers, allowing them to get familiar, with the browser, an assuming they will already be familiar with itunes anyway be another temptation over to mac computers.

looking forward to time machine myself, as im a fool when it comes to backing things up.
new finder looks cool, tabs would have been cool as you mentioned

uncle_sam_ie

spidermonkey wrote:

looking forward to time machine myself, as im a fool when it comes to backing things up.
new finder looks cool, tabs would have been cool as you mentioned

I don't know about time machine. I very happy with superDuper.

Breezer

uncle_sam_ie wrote:

I don't know about time machine. I very happy with superDuper.

I've been using Carbon Copy Cloner. I downloaded the trial version of SuperDuper there when I read your post - I've been meaning to try it out. I don't see a huge amount of difference really.

BUT I've just had a look at the new Time Machine video and I think I'll change my 'very nice' comment to 'really really REALLY nice!' This looks so much better than lengthy backups, especially since I'm looking to upgrade to a much bigger hard drive soon.

Quick Look looks amazing... And damn it that Leopard Desktop looks damn slick... And people are attesting to the speed of Safari 3 which I'm going to try out once my lengthy backup finishes...

Gah - I'm cracking!

K.O.Kiki

I hope the Intel GMA950 is up to the task of all those GPU-acceleration features!
But yeah, this looks sweet.

eddyc

Breezer wrote:

64-bit: A nice looking new technology that my Core Duo Macbook can't handle Yeah, fine, I admit I'm bitter.

Sorry for the 'well actually' but the core duo is a 64bit chip ,so

Sad Professor

Anyone notice that Bootcamp now has a kind of fast user switching:

New, faster restarts.

Leopard brings a quicker way to switch between Mac OS X and Windows: Just choose the new Apple menu item “Restart in Windows.” Your Mac goes into “safe sleep” so that when you return, you’ll be right where you were. It’s much faster than restarting the computer each time. Likewise, a “Restart in Mac OS X” menu item in the Boot Camp System Tray in Windows makes for a faster return to Mac OS X. With Windows hibernation enabled, you can pick up where you left off.

Depending how well this works it may replace the need for Parallels for a lot of people.

flogen

Not clear on the new bootcamp - how exactly will it work?

Will you still need to partition the drive and treat it like a completely seperate system, or can you now switch between the two and (God forbid) transfer files etc.?

I've not used the existing Boot Camp so I'm not sure on how that works, tbh, but it always seemed a little clunky and illogical from what I read about it

Edit: Sad Professor seems to have answered my question!

Sad Professor

It will still work the same but with the addition of being able to switch back forth a lot quicker. I doubt you'll be able to transfer files from within windows but the partition is still visible in OSX so you can do any transferring there.

I know a lot of people are very attached to Parallels but I find Bootcamp far more reliable. Although it's a major pain having to restart so I almost never use it anymore. But it's still handy for when I need to. Parallels can use the same partition anyway so you might as well have it set up... just in case.

Sad Professor

Video of the Keynote is now up:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/

Breezer

eddyc wrote:

Sorry for the 'well actually' but the core duo is a 64bit chip ,so

I'm pretty sure 64-bit came in with the Core 2 Duo unfortunately. I can't find it on the Apple website now but here's a quote from Wikipedia:

The shortcomings of Intel Core (Yonah) are: ...
32-bit processes only. 64-bit processes are not supported. (See the Intel Core 2 successor, which is a 64-bit processor.) ...

Sad Professor

Remember that Bootcamp/faster restart feature I mentioned earlier? Well all mention of it has vanished from Apple's site. And a poster over at macrumors said an Apple engineer at WWDC told him it had been removed.

Very strange. I assume there was problems with it but hopefully it might still make the final release.

jessy

Well i'm fairly sure the reason that safari was released on windows is to increase the development community for it! Plenty of people would be put off buying the iphone if you could not test the applications you develop without having a mac. I think they have a very real chance of increasing there market share in the browser world with safari 3, once the iPhone becomes main stream, I think a lot of people will see haw fast safari is compared with IE and many will make the switch, i downloaded the beta 2 days ago and it really is that fast!

Enjoyable Keynote though

tHE vAGGABOND

Is anyone else unable to view the keynote? Regardless of the OS or Browser used just get the holding page, with the image of the Leopard CD..

Sad Professor

tHE vAGGABOND wrote:

Is anyone else unable to view the keynote? Regardless of the OS or Browser used just get the holding page, with the image of the Leopard CD..

It's playing fine here. When I click on "watch the keynote" it opens up in Quicktime.

Cabaal

tHE vAGGABOND wrote:

Is anyone else unable to view the keynote? Regardless of the OS or Browser used just get the holding page, with the image of the Leopard CD..

works fine for me on OSX AND Firefox, and on Windows XP SP2 and Firefox