Why are so many thread being locked!

Hectorjelly

Robin says in another thread that not cashing in a tournament isn't failure. I think it is, after all since cashing or winning is success, the opposite is surely failure. Of course the nature of tournaments is that you will get more failures than success. Id like to discuss this but for some reason the thread was locked, since its really nothing more than semantics I'm not going to bother creating a new thread about it.

Also Id like to discuss the goings on in the Fitz. I'm as ill-informed as anyone else, but I don't understand why we cant have some gossip about something that is an integral part of the Irish poker scene.

There are countless other times where interesting discussions have been stopped for no understandable reason. Im not having a go at the mods, they have a thankless unpaid job, but lets cut down on the thread lockings!

Lastly Dave Masters is a true gentleman.

insafehands

(God)(f)ish agrees.

5starpool

Someone asked would someone play a tournie for them, someone did. It was then discussed in the worng forum, guy played, did ok didn't cash, and you want to discuss that?

Hectorjelly

Yes I would. I also would like to choose myself rather than have you or ste locking whatever happens to not float your boat.

bohsman

In before lock.

5starpool

Hectorjelly wrote:

Yes I would. I also would like to choose myself rather than have you or ste locking whatever happens to not float your boat.

So you want to make this an anything goes forum?

eggie

Hectorjelly wrote:

Yes I would. I also would like to choose myself rather than have you or ste locking whatever happens to not float your boat.

I agree with HJ here, its the posters who make this forum and if they wish to discuss certain issues then i think it should be allowed, unless there is some legal precedent for disallowing such discussions.

The_Chopper

Why not let this one thread go and we can discuss anything we want here as long as it's not abuse and effect legals??????

NickyOD

5starpool wrote:

So you want to make this an anything goes forum?

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration to be honest. Of course we don't want that.

I think the locking of the Fitz thread was purely on personal grounds because of closeness to the Fitz and to Luke. Granted there are lots of people on the forum who feel the same way about Luke, including myself, but an identical thread about somehwere like the Four Aces and some former Cardroom manager you don't know from Adam would not have been locked. There's nothing wrong with hearsay as long as its clearly identifiable as hearsay and not presented as fact. Also you can always remove dodgy posts from within a thread without ending the discussion completely.

As for the other thread HJ mentioned I think it was a pretty harmless thread that may or may not have developed into a more interesting discussion. Locking it was nothing short of ridiculous.

5starpool

For anyone who thought that I locked the Fitz thread, please read it again.

robinlacey

5starpool:

taking the thread about the absolute tournament as an example,if you could outline what you envisage being the worst case scenario that could result from it having been left open it would be helpful to those of us trying to understand why this and other threads are being locked.

Macspower

personally I think there should be a general chat subsection or sticky..,. the BB sticky is kind used for this at time but sometimes I want to discuss something and don't know where to put it as it doesn't belong in the BB sticky and it doesn't have the required content to warrent a new post..

this forum has a great little community and I think general chat is a par of this and should be accommodated...

Also fairplay to the mods for a great job... I know it's not easy and generaly thankless..... just as well the pay is good

NickyOD

5starpool wrote:

For anyone who thought that I locked the Fitz thread, please read it again.

Oh yeah sorry. I'll FMP.

5starpool

It has been open in the Tournie section for the last 30 mins. It is about a tournie so that is the right place for it if ye want to discuss it.

Lafortezza

I locked the Luke Ivory and Fitz thread, because I think DeV mentioned that he didn't want speculation posted on the forum. If I'm wrong then I'll unlock it.

And tbh after the outpouring of respect and well-wishing, I don't think it's appropriate if people immediately turn around and start gossiping about the reasons LI and the Fitz parted company.

ianmc38

totally agree. the forum is becoming ridiculous with all the thread lockings recently

gilmour

yeah i gotta say of all the forums i post on this is by far the worst for threads getting locked. bizarre really as i never have seen an overflow of users spamming the forum or getting up to no good.

phantom_lord

Macspower wrote:

personally I think there should be a general chat subsection or sticky..,. the BB sticky is kind used for this at time but sometimes I want to discuss something and don't know where to put it as it doesn't belong in the BB sticky and it doesn't have the required content to warrent a new post..

maybe we should get something like these?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ssplnlpoker&Number=10683353&page=0&fpart=1

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ssplnlpoker&Number=10611099&page=0&fpart=1

sock.rocker*

it shudnt have been locked. im the guy who played the tourney for sickpuppy and i thought the thread was gonna turn into a good discussion bout placing in mtts and how u rate ur mtt play. anywho, at least its in the other forum (which isnt looked at near as much) and is open to posts

David Michael

For what it is worth I thought that Tournie thread was heading in the direction of what was good/bad in respect to wining/placement.

Back in the day a thread deviatiing into another interesting discussion was ok

It's not like it was a bad discussion?

phantom_lord

i always took it that the other forum was for the posting of info on tournaments and stuff by the organisers, the thread that got moved was turning into a more discussion type thread, which should surely be in the main forum?

sock.rocker*

^ can it be moved back? lol there'd be a bit of pressure for us to post in it tho :P

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I agree with not discussing the LI and Fitz situation as it is a personal issue and should be kept out of a public forum, If i was in Lukes situation i would be pleased to see all the generous comments made by all the posters however would not like personal issues spread over a public forum as a thread started on this issue would deteriote into an if, buts and maybes thread.

On a secondary note the number of threads being locked has increased some warranted and some not, please review mods as Mac as said this is a great little forum to discuss anything related to poker

just my 2 cents

mewso

Hectorjelly wrote:

Also Id like to discuss the goings on in the Fitz. I'm as ill-informed as anyone else, but I don't understand why we cant have some gossip about something that is an integral part of the Irish poker scene.

Come on now we all like gossip but we have been over and over this kind of thing so many times. No matter how many responsible people want to discuss this there will be enough of the "I heard yer man said... " type posts that it wouldn't be worth it. Surely after your non-failure yesterday you were able to gossip about it over a slew of pints all paid for by your good self.

NickyOD

musician wrote:

Come on now we all like gossip but we have been over and over this kind of thing so many times. No matter how many responsible people want to discuss this there will be enough of the "I heard yer man said... " type posts that it wouldn't be worth it. Surely after your non-failure yesterday you were able to gossip about it over a slew of pints all paid for by your good self.

But it didn't even happen in that thread. It was just locked out in case anyone said anything. I love the way this forum is moderated and admire the fact the mods are so pro-active but I think locking up threads before anything might happen is like treating posters like children...ahem.

By the way there have been many many many threads discussing and pondering certain people and businesses with lots of hearsay thrown in for good measure that mods would never have even conidered locking.

mewso

Might have more to do with avoiding prosecution for boards. A thread based on what people think might have happened is obviously a recipe for disaster imo.

Ste05

Whatever about the Tournie thread, which has now been reopened due to popular demand, but for the Fitz one, I'd certainly be in Laf's corner on that, I'm also under the impression that Dev doesn't want rumour threads going on, and it doesn't matter where it was as Nicky says, if it involves faceless people getting the opportunity to say whatever they want on a very public forum about a business and people's livelihood, it could very easily lead to problems for boards.ie. I'm not sure what happened with a certain concert promoter that we're not allowed to talk about, (nor do I want to know and certainly don't tell people in this thread) but if there was to be a rumour thread about the Fitz god only knows what would be said and once someone has read something that may or may not be libelous, it can't be unread and any damage done is very hard to undo. In an industry such as Poker where reputations are so important it would be very irresponsible of us to walk that tight rope. and until Dev makes an alternative ruling I'll be right behind Laf on that one.

Also, if people have a problem with a thread that I lock, please just send me a PM and I'll review my decision, or we can debate it out in the BB sticky as I've done in the past with decisions I've made. I never lock a thread without an explanation so people can see why I've locked a thread and if they disagree feel free to tell me, I'm not pigheaded enough not to bow to pressure from the users to unlock a thread, just like 5Star did with the tourney thread.

The way the forum is currently being run is due to previous pressure from the users and as we said initially it was temporary and on a trial basis, if ocallagh gets his feedback thread or whatever he's planning going (sorry for the pressure Niall) maybe we can review it then after some debate.

Lafortezza

Also apart from that tourney thread (that's been reopened), and the LI/Fitz speculation one, can someone link all these other threads that have been locked. ty

BobSloane

Ste05 wrote:

I'm not sure what happened with a certain concert promoter that we're not allowed to talk about, .

lol. Were you visiting outer space last summer? Also more threads need to be locked and deleted. Particularly those started by known homosexuals, jews and gypsies.

DeVore

Under no circumstances am I going to allow this site to publically pick over the personal beeswax of the employment of anyone, be they a person I consider a friend or no.

Its not only a recipe for a court case, off topic and based on rumour and hearsay but also completely invasive to Luke's privacy and utterly lacking in any tact, ethics or class.

If you want salicious gossip... buy Hello.

As far as other lockings go, I dont think this forum is at all bad imho but we can discuss what rules you as a community want enforced. Personally, I think the mods have been bang on the money so far...

DeV.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Think i should point out (as i started the Fitz thread) that i did PM the moderators when i posted the Fitz thread, so they would be aware of it.

Thought i had worded the thread okay, so it wouldn't be insensitive, but i hadn't seen any of the previous comments on not discussing the Fitz issue, and the PM back from the moderator explained this very reasonably.

Fair lock IMHO

Bandana boy

I think on the LI issue it would be remiss of Boards to allow "speculation" as to what happened be printed here (although it would be a thread i would read) reputations are everything in Poker so locking that thread was probably good sense.

As Luke is friendly with people on here could we ask him to post what happened ? Maybe in a read only thread ? I do think this is a pretty big devolpment in the Dublin poker scene and will have much interest/concern from other posters .

On the other issue
I have felt some threads have got locked if they have wandered off topic even if that wandering was going in an interesting direction( well from my point of view )

DeVore

The original thread was fine and I understand Luke sends his thanks for all the well wishers. Any deeper discussion should be done with the parties in question and not here, its not the right place.

DeV.

Chucky the tree

DeVore wrote:

Under no circumstances am I going to allow this site to publically pick over the personal beeswax of the employment of anyone, be they a person I consider a friend or no.

Its not only a recipe for a court case, off topic and based on rumour and hearsay but also completely invasive to Luke's privacy and utterly lacking in any tact, ethics or class.

If you want salicious gossip... buy Hello.

As far as other lockings go, I dont think this forum is at all bad imho but we can discuss what rules you as a community want enforced. Personally, I think the mods have been bang on the money so far...

DeV.

Why do you have a celebs forum then? Is that not just an forum version of hello?

phantom_lord

can we talk about luke+the fitz there??

White Knight

If Steve Staunton gets sacked (please!!!!!!) or resigns tomorrow .. boards will discuss it!

DeVore

If you really believe that a private person with a job is the same as discussing Paris Hilton or the Irish Football Team Manager then please, by all means go ahead and discuss it there. I'll take prop bets on how long before you are sitebanned .... thats just a silly analogy.

Its not happening, not now, not ever.

DeV.

Bandana boy

in fairness thats a ridic analogy Luke was good at his job

ocallagh

Ste, wll get that thread started soon. i hadn't planned on being pretty much drunk since I signed up for that!! now on the way to vegas so could be a few more days.

Hectorjelly

Hey Niall, just saw you overtook me on the desktop game rankings, damn you! Gl in vegas

ocallagh

Cheers Daragh, in NY right now and heading to Vegas tonight. I really like NY, I am thinking of changing my flights and staying for another day or so.

I knew the Desktop game news would piss u off, took me over a month to top your score!

kpnuts

NickyOD wrote:

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration to be honest. Of course we don't want that.

I think the locking of the Fitz thread was purely on personal grounds because of closeness to the Fitz and to Luke. Granted there are lots of people on the forum who feel the same way about Luke, including myself, but an identical thread about somehwere like the Four Aces and some former Cardroom manager you don't know from Adam would not have been locked. There's nothing wrong with hearsay as long as its clearly identifiable as hearsay and not presented as fact. Also you can always remove dodgy posts from within a thread without ending the discussion completely.

As for the other thread HJ mentioned I think it was a pretty harmless thread that may or may not have developed into a more interesting discussion. Locking it was nothing short of ridiculous.

Nail on head here, Nicky.
We have threads about how other cardrooms, poker companies etc conduct their affairs every week of the year. Utterly ridiculous that we can't discuss the Luke/Fitz issue here, if indeed there is anything to discuss. Posts by Doc Farrell and Jayminator on the Grudge Match thread came as close as makes no difference to implying that all of us who went ahead and took part in this game last Saturday in the Fitz were in some way scabs! Now I know absolutely nothing about why Luke and the Fitz parted company, but if anyone did have any information and wished to present it here for discussion, I'd be very keen to read it and make a better informed decision.

DeVore

There is of course a LOT of things wrong with "hearsay". Firstly, it can be very legally questionable. Secondly it can be very hurtful and damaging. Thirdly it, by definition, cannot be backed up by fact.

Please please see the other side of my block on discussion of this most intensely private matter.

Nicky is wrong, if it were a cardroom manager I didnt know, I would still block any speculation about what has or hasnt happened. Do you not think that, given that Luke and I are obviously mates, I would want to side with him and promote his side of the story??

I've just gotten off the phone with Luke and he has asked me to send his regards for all the well wishes. His words were "thats very kind of everyone, its really given me a huge boost". He also asked me to contain speculation about what has happened and why.

It is COMPLETELY unfair on Luke, the Fitz and me (by means of Boards LTD) to drag all of this out and air this dirty laundry in public. Hotheaded implications of "scabhood" for playing in the Fitz is equally moronic. Everyone should make their own personal choices.

I'm in a very delicate situation and I'd appreciate peoples support and understanding, and also their compliance with the wishes of everyone involved that this be handled in a mature manner.

Finally, I dont care what anyone says I'm not going to allow this to become a popcorn event for people who simply want to gawk at a miserable situation. Noone is going to win from this and the less we fan flames of misguided emotion, the better.

If either side wants to post an official comment on it then fine but both have been in touch with me and both have expressed their desire to deal with this privately.

Please please respect that.

DeV.

smurph

I fully aggree with Devore in regards to Fitz situation and Luke. I have played in the Fitzwilliam since Luke left, because I like the tournaments and the structure, simple as. I do not feel that I am letting Luke down by going into the Fitz, although I do feel that the implications of him leaving has yet to hit the club, and I feel the Owners have shot themselves in the foot over this.

While in there I have heard 5 different stories as to why he has left (all from reliable sources according to the storytellers) some bordering on the ludicrous...There will be gossip and bitching about it for a while, and then it will die down.. and the Fitz will still be there, whether the poker suffers time will tell

I know people on Boards feel strongly about Luke going, everybody reacts differently, and scourning the lads for having the grudge match there is pretty pathetic TBH. Anyway they should have all saved themselves the €200 as we all know that HectorJelly is our Lord and Master...... and the best online, offline B&M player this side of the continent.......:D and just gone on the beer...

Doc Farrell

Before anyone starts jumping on their hobbyhorses please have the courtesy to read what I said. I couldn't give a monkeys where anyone plays, you're all adults with minds of your own.