Dvdfans Analysis

dvdfan

Edited To Included Poker Tracker Stats as well as Poker Office. See Thread 11-13 for Poker Tracker Stats


Hello,

As per another thread here today someone suggested posting my stats to find leaks. I feel it may be too small for a proper analysis but however it should be good enough to spot glaring mistakes and im very open to harsh cristicism. I use Poker Office so its a bit different to Poker Tracker but essentially has similar types of stats:

My Overall Stats and V$PIP information for 6 max play:

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Positional Stats:


Heads Up Play Post Flop where 2 players see flop:


Multiway Pots against 3 or more villains on the flop:


Pocket Pairs:


Suited Connectors:


Off Suited Connectors:

dvdfan

And the last few attached files:

RedJoker

This could take a bit of time as I'm not used to poker office and I can't seem to find VPIP anywhere except the second image.

It says there that you attempt to steal 21% of the time, what are your opening ranges from cut-off and button when it’s folded around to you. Do you always raise here if you are playing a hand. Anything over 20% is probably ok but you may be leaving a bit of value on the table. Do you know what your win-rate is with steal attempts?

RedJoker

On the third image, the position stats, is position 3 UTG? If so why is there more hands here than position 5, the CO? This seems like a really poor way of doing things as opening ranges UTG in a 6 handed game are different to those in a 4 or 5 handed game. Also it's kinda hard to comment without VPIP here.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

This could take a bit of time as I'm not used to poker office and I can't seem to find VPIP anywhere except the second image.

It says there that you attempt to steal 21% of the time, what are your opening ranges from cut-off and button when it’s folded around to you. Do you always raise here if you are playing a hand. Anything over 20% is probably ok but you may be leaving a bit of value on the table. Do you know what your win-rate is with steal attempts?

My Range for raising if im in the CO and its folded to me is:

AK-A9 A8s-A7s
KJ,KT,QJ,QTs,JT,J9s,T9s
And Any PP

On the button im raising all above and A4s+ A7o+ 67s+ & Suited 1 gaps down to 78o

My range isnt set in stone though, with loose players in the blind that are calling stations ill tighten my range and with Tight Players in the Blind and/or players that play hit and miss on flop i might widen my range.

It seems like im making hard work of this using PO so tommorrow ill import all the hands into poker tracker and then post them screenshots which will make it much easier to disect.

Cheers Red

RedJoker

You seem to be doing extremely well with pocket pairs. You're saw flop % is 71.2, what is your VPIP, this should be at least 85%, if not more? You seem to be raising a large percentage of these as well which is good.

You appear to be about breakeven with connectors. There probably isn't enough hands to really tell how you're doing here though.

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

My Range for raising if im in the CO and its folded to me is:

AK-A9 A8s-A7s
KJ,KT,QJ,QTs,JT,J9s,T9s
And Any PP

On the button im raising all above and A4s+ A7o+ 67s+ & Suited 1 gaps down to 78o

My range isnt set in stone though, with loose players in the blind that are calling stations ill tighten my range and with Tight Players in the Blind and/or players that play hit and miss on flop i might widen my range.

It seems like im making hard work of this using PO so tommorrow ill import all the hands into poker tracker and then post them screenshots which will make it much easier to disect.

Cheers Red

I think you could widen both of these ranges considerably, stealing is an extremely profitable thing to do.

Read this thread and then this one.

Yeah; I think it would be easier for me with PT.

No problem.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

You seem to be doing extremely well with pocket pairs. You're saw flop % is 71.2, what is your VPIP, this should be at least 85%, if not more? You seem to be raising a large percentage of these as well which is good.

You appear to be about breakeven with connectors. There probably isn't enough hands to really tell how you're doing here though.

My V$PIP for pocket Pairs is 92%, i usually limp in the blinds with Small PP.

My suited connectors is probably a weakness, i tend to limp with these in Late Position to get in multiway pots but i dont think thats the problem its more how i play draws on the flop, im working on it but currently i play draws badly calling raises when i dont have the odds and pushing over raises with bad odds so if i can play these better in the future i think ill improve alot

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

My V$PIP for pocket Pairs is 92%, i usually limp in the blinds with Small PP.

My suited connectors is probably a weakness, i tend to limp with these in Late Position to get in multiway pots but i dont think thats the problem its more how i play draws on the flop, im working on it but currently i play draws badly calling raises when i dont have the odds and pushing over raises with bad odds so if i can play these better in the future i think ill improve alot

92% is fine. I usually just complete with small PP from the blinds if there has been a few limpers as well.

I wouldn't limp with connectors, I'm either raising or folding always. This depends on a number of things such as how loose or tight I've been playing, how weak I think the limpers are etc. But I seem to play far better post flop as the preflop aggressor and considerably worse when I'm not, this may not be a problem for you though.

Re: chasing draws. I think you just need a little discipline here, take the time to work out the pot odds and your chances of improving and decide if it's really worth it.

Re-raising draws can be ok sometimes if you think the villain is weak and you're in position and you take the free card on the turn if you do get called.

Flat calling has the advantage of possibly turning into a float if he shuts down on the turn, and risks less chips to try to steal the pot.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

I think you could widen both of these ranges considerably, stealing is an extremely profitable thing to do.

Read this thread and then this one.

Yeah; I think it would be easier for me with PT.

No problem.

Excellent read, i didnt realise how important Blind Stealing was in cash games. I knew it was important at stt's as the blinds increased but when i seen the post i taught sure whats 35c but ill definetely increase my range now after reading that. Thanks for all the help Red and ill post the PT images tommorrow as i havent time tonight due to work in the morning.

dvdfan

OK i switched from Poker Office to Poker Tracker to make it easier for anyone to read and analyze:

1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression?
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2. Are you positionally aware?
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3. How's my stealing?
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3.(a)Chance To Steal And Raised Filter
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4. Defending the blinds.
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4.(a)Steal Attempted And Defended
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dvdfan

5. Heads-up play.
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6. Multiway pots.
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6. Multiway pots, No Raise
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7. Pocket pairs.
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8. Suited connectors.
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dvdfan

8. Suited connectors When Cold Called
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9. Unsuited connectors.
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Had only 2 hands i cold called so didnt attach pic AKo and KQo

10. Postflop aggression.
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RedJoker

I think you may need to loosen up from the button and CO a bit; this will happen naturally when you start stealing more, other than that your position stats look pretty good.

You really need to be stealing more, your win rate is 72 BB/100 hands when stealing, you could afford to open your range up a lot more without harming this too significantly.

You seem to be playing well from the blinds, anything greater than -0.375 BB/hand is good.

In heads up play you’re profitable but you must have run pretty well at 50nl to get the BB/hand the wrong side of 0, or really badly at 20nl. Maybe heads up play at 50nl suits you better. This is something you may need to look at after you have a significant number of hands played.

Did you post heads up pots where you’re not the preflop aggressor? Click on “Filter”. Under “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” change the range to “2 to 2 players” and under “Pre-flop Raise” select “No Raise.”

You play well in multi-way pots and there isn’t much difference in your win rate whether you raised pre-flop or not, this means you probably don’t have much trouble when you’re not the preflop aggressor.

Like I said before your win rate with pocket pairs is extremely healthy, being negative with JJ is just variance, you’d need way more hands to get an accurate assessment on individual hands. VPIP and PFR are both fine IMO.

You may be too loose with suited connectors and paying too much for draws. I think you should try to only play them from the blinds cheaply or in late position as a steal attempt and see how you get on. I play 41/29 with my suited connectors but I’m not a big fan of them tbh. You’re 60/35 which shows that at least you’re fairly aggressive with them which is a good thing. There’s probably not enough hands to be sure though.

As for cold calling, calling a min raise with 98s or A2s is probably ok as long as you’re not just playing fit or fold postflop and look to attack any weakness. Calling 4xBB with 109s probably isn’t hugely profitable unless it’s against a fish.

It looks like you’re much tighter and more aggressive with unsuited connectors, 15/11 is fine. I’m actually far looser here at 32/25 but these make excellent stealing hands. As long as you’re profitable you’re doing fine.

Cold calling with AKo and KQo is fine.

It says you continuation bet 60.73% of the time, which may be a little too passive, continuation betting is extremely profitable. My continuation bet percentage is 81.55%. Continuation betting should be your default play.

Here are a few threads about it which you should read when you have time:
Continuation Betting - Part One

Why am I C-betting

Should I CB? A Quiz.

Your total AF is 1.54, this is far too low IMO, in particular your flop AF is 2.2 which is fairly low. You are either calling too much or not betting/raising often enough. Calling should be the last option you consider and should only be used when you can’t find a good reason to raise or fold.

You check raise 0.6% of the time which is fine.

In conclusion,

you may have some leaks with suited connectors,
there's probably not enough hands to be sure about your heads up play but you will need to keep an eye on this,
you should start stealing more,
you're too passive postflop and may need to continuation bet more.

Apart from that everything looks fairly good.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

In conclusion,

you may have some leaks with suited connectors,
there's probably not enough hands to be sure about your heads up play but you will need to keep an eye on this,
you should start stealing more,
you're too passive postflop and may need to continuation bet more.

Apart from that everything looks fairly good.

Thanks for taking the time to do this RedJoker, really Appreciated. I agree with the Suited Connectors, i need to play less and be willing to lay them down on a drawing board when i dont have the odds at least until im more comfortable playing them which im not at the moment.

Yep ive already taking your advice on stealing more from the CO and Button.

Ive always been unhappy with my aggressiveness post flop, i cant pin point this because im aggressive when i hit a hand. Sometimes with PP or Broadways if it isnt a huge bet i might call the flop bet to see another card maybe this is having an effect. Also i know i call to much with drawing hands, when i start playing these better this should also improve my PF aggression.

The continuation betting thing is probably the only thing id disagree with, i dont know if you can check it but im sure my stats when continuation betting is very healthy because im careful about who i do it against, can you check how successful it is???.

I like to know peoples stats on how often they see the Turn when they say the flop (i.e Flop-Turn%) and what their Aggression stats are for the flop, if someone has a high Flop-Turn % theyre basically a calling station and ill never continuation bet against them but ill continuation bet against anyone with 50% or less Flop-Turn% stat all day. But maybe i wrong on this but ive always felt i am successful continuation betting if i increased it another 20% it would probably be against players who had a high Flop-Turn% and this would be -EV i would think. Id be interested to hear your taught on it and if its possible to see how successful youve been making the cBet

Once again thanks for taking the time to reply:)

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

The continuation betting thing is probably the only thing id disagree with, i dont know if you can check it but im sure my stats when continuation betting is very healthy because im careful about who i do it against, can you check how successful it is???.

I like to know peoples stats on how often they see the Turn when they say the flop (i.e Flop-Turn%) and what their Aggression stats are for the flop, if someone has a high Flop-Turn % theyre basically a calling station and ill never continuation bet against them but ill continuation bet against anyone with 50% or less Flop-Turn% stat all day. But maybe i wrong on this but ive always felt i am successful continuation betting if i increased it another 20% it would probably be against players who had a high Flop-Turn% and this would be -EV i would think. Id be interested to hear your taught on it and if its possible to see how successful youve been making the cBet

You're probably right, I was going to go back and edit those parts. I think this may be why your flop AF is so low though. The thing is, most players are in fit or fold mode post flop and you have to give them the opportunity to fold. Also, the stats for Flop-Turn% may take several hundred hands to become accurate.

I'm not positive about checking your win rate, try going to 'Filters', under 'Pre-Flop Raise' select 'any raise' and under 'Pre-Flop Raise - Action on Flop' select 'Bet' and 'Raised'. See what that gives you.

EDIT: You don't need to select 'any raise', you can leave it on 'doesn't matter'.

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

Sometimes with PP or Broadways if it isnt a huge bet i might call the flop bet to see another card maybe this is having an effect.

If the bet is small compared to the pot it could be a sign of weakness, try raising in future. If they call you can shut down and hopefully get a free river card, maybe even a free showdown.

con_leche

1. C-bet more.

2. Experiment with being more aggressive when you miss.

3. Raise more & check raise more - especially c-raise your draws.

4. If you feel you are not aggressive enough, experiment on raising ATC from the button and firing a C-bet on the flop, and even a second barrel if necessary.

RedJoker

con_leche wrote:

check raise more - especially c-raise your draws.

Any more than 1% and you're probably being far too tricky for micro stakes.

con_leche wrote:

4. If you feel you are not aggressive enough, experiment on raising ATC from the button and firing a C-bet on the flop, and even a second barrel if necessary.

I almost never fire a second barrel without a hand, they called because they have a piece of the board and they're not giving it up. Take the free river card. For steal attempts to be profitable you need to shut down when you get action.

Other than that I agree with you.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

You're probably right, I was going to go back and edit those parts. I think this may be why your flop AF is so low though. The thing is, most players are in fit or fold mode post flop and you have to give them the opportunity to fold. Also, the stats for Flop-Turn% may take several hundred hands to become accurate.

I'm not positive about checking your win rate, try going to 'Filters', under 'Pre-Flop Raise' select 'any raise' and under 'Pre-Flop Raise - Action on Flop' select 'Bet' and 'Raised'. See what that gives you.

EDIT: You don't need to select 'any raise', you can leave it on 'doesn't matter'.

Ok so i done the above and attached the pic. Maybe ill try changing one thing at a time for a while and see how each effects my agression factor, First Up will be draws, ill either RR the good draws or fold the bad draws and see what difference that makes and no more chasing.

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

Ok so i done the above and attached the pic. Maybe ill try changing one thing at a time for a while and see how each effects my agression factor, First Up will be draws, ill either RR the good draws or fold the bad draws and see what difference that makes and no more chasing.

My win rate using the same filter is 1.3 BB/Hand against your 1.62 BB/Hand. And I win 66.77% of the time where you're winning 72.29% of the time. This is over 10,193 hands at 20nl.

It seems your way is lower variance but slightly less EV+ (1.62 x 60.73% < 1.3 x 81.55%). Of course this would assume that all other factors are equal, which they're not (different opponents, our different styles of play, etc). And it's over very small sample sizes so must be taken with a huge grain of salt.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

My win rate using the same filter is 1.3 BB/Hand against your 1.62 BB/Hand. And I win 66.77% of the time where you're winning 72.29% of the time. This is over 10,193 hands at 20nl.

It seems your way is lower variance but slightly less EV+ (1.62 x 60.73% < 1.3 x 81.55%). Of course this would assume that all other factors are equal, which they're not (different opponents, our different styles of play, etc). And it's over very small sample sizes so must be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Just wondering why youve quoted 2 different %, see the Bold and Red % above, is this a mistake or something else?

RedJoker

The bold is just taken from the last screen shot you posted, it shows how likely we are to win a hand when we cont bet.

The red are the percentage of times we continuation bet the flop which I mentioned in an earlier post. Sorry for not making it clear.

RedJoker

Actually now that I think about it, this may not be accurate because we need to see how we do when we don't continuation bet as well. Go to 'filter' and under 'pre-flop raise - action on flop' select 'call', 'check' and 'fold'. What's your win rate here? Mine is -1.14 BB/Hand.

This makes my EV from cont betting 81.55% equal to:

(1.3 x 81.55%) + (-1.14 x 18.45%) = 0.84982 BB/Hand

So your EV from cont betting 60.73% is:

(1.62 x 60.73%) + (win rate x 39.27%) =

I think this would be a better model to use. 18.45% is just 1 - 81.55% and 39.27% is 1 - 60.73%.

dvdfan

Mine is -1.39 BB/Hand

So:

(1.3 x 81.55%) + (-1.14 x 18.45%) = 0.84982 BB/Hand

So your EV from cont betting 60.73% is:

(1.62 x 60.73%) + (-1.39 x 39.27%) = -0.545853 BB/Hand

Care to explain exactly what that means in simplified terms

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

Mine is -1.39 BB/Hand

So:

(1.3 x 81.55%) + (-1.14 x 18.45%) = 0.84982 BB/Hand

So your EV from cont betting 60.73% is:

(1.62 x 60.73%) + (-1.39 x 39.27%) = -0.545853 BB/Hand

Care to explain exactly what that means in simplified terms

I think you made a mistake here

(1.62 x 60.73%) + (-1.39 x 39.27%) =

0.983826 - 0.545853 =

0.437973 BB/Hand


1.62 is your EV when you cont bet and -1.39 is your EV when you don't. In other words you should cont bet as much as possible. Remember that these are over very small sample sizes so take them for what they're worth.

dvdfan

Ah i see now, i was wondering why i was getting a negative answer i just forgot to subtract that figure. I guess ill try and Cont bet against players i wouldnt bet as often against that i would consider in between a calling station and tight, they might call more often but it probably still will be profitable.

Thanks Red

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

Ah i see now, i was wondering why i was getting a negative answer i just forgot to subtract that figure. I guess ill try and Cont bet against players i wouldnt bet as often against that i would consider in between a calling station and tight, they might call more often but it probably still will be profitable.

Thanks Red

Give it a try for a while and see how you get on.

You're welcome, it's beneficial for me to be looking at my stats as well.

RedJoker

I was talking to futuredoc85 and I showed him the thread, he said you should def be c betting more. He uses the folds to cbet stats for HUD instead of turn - flop percentage and said that he needs quite a few hands for it to matter. He said that flop texture is also important, Axx rainbow and Kxx rainbow you can go ahead and c bet almost every time. Read the threads I linked for more on this.

He also mentioned that 21% att. to steal is pretty low and the ranges you wrote for CO, AK-A9 is ok but any AXs is a raise, same w/ any SCs 76 or higher at the least.

He said 19 VPIP should be about 15-16 pfr and def need to be more aggressive.

dvdfan

Thanks Red,

I made some adjustments and todays stats were

22% V$PIP
PFR 16%
Post Flop Aggression 2.5

This is playing the same hands from Blinds,UTG & MP just loosening my CO and Button Range. I also am getting more aggressive post flop especially on the flop. I dont want to go too mad though so i think 2.5 is an improvement in the right direction. Im just basically as you said looking for a reason to either fold or raise and not call so much unless i have a good reason.

The above is after 600+ hands so ive already made them changes and hopefully it will pay didvidens. The only thing i need to work on the Continuation bet, i tried doing extra continuation betting today but it got me into a few bad spots getting RR after the flop alot but i think that was just unlucky. Ill give them articles on cbetting a read and try again tommorrow.

RedJoker

Those stats are looking much better and definitely going in the right direction.

For some reason you always remember the times the c bet didn't work, just stick at it and you should see an improvement in your results.