Are Sony Lying about Sales??

pspdude

Didnt Sony recently release a story saying what a great success the PS3 was in pal territories??

Well what about this

http://www.nextgenireland.com/ps3sales.html

It says that after ringing shops in cork, dublin, galway and somewhere else (sorry) that the GBA and even the original xbox has managed to outsell the PS3 in certain areas and that while some shops are still taking pre orders for wii, some are giving a free ps3 game away with every console to try shift the machines? are sony fibbing by any chance?

Kevin2006

i don't know where to start!

Bananna man

Sony sold allot of ps3's at launch in the PAL territory. The UK release was a new record for a launched system. Sales have been poor since then though but Sony hasnt tried to claim any different.

pspdude

yes they have, just yesterday they released a news story claiming how popular the PS3 is in all pal territories and more than 1 million machines have been purchased this year alone! I know anytime i ask about the ps3 in the like of hmv or game they all say the same thing, its flopped

pyzon

I stick my two fingers up to those people who think the PS3 has flopped.

It's quite a machine and with so much potential. People seem to forget that comparing to an XBOX 360 as regards sales, games available etc...you have to take into account how long the XBOX 360 is out, so compare the PS3 in a years time to the XBOX 360 as it is now...i.e. no point posting now wait a year (and as for a wii to me I think it looks like a cheap piece of jewellery, I wouldn't have one, it might be reasonable powerful but for it's size it can go nowhwere except the middle-ground).

I have a PS3 it's awesome, upscales DVD's, it takes me months to play a game so the game release program is cool for me, I don't jump from game to game and have 10% of all my games ongoing at any time, I don't play 8hrs a day if I did I'd be looking to go pro Otherwise I'd be asking myself why the f*ck am I sitting here for 8hrs a day.

Let's all be honest here, we all know the PS3 will be around for some time to come, don't matter what you hear or read, it's here and currently it's the future in gaming/home-entertainment/media-center and in a year or so's time when it has a chance to be on the market and updates released to bring it in line with the 360 now ....................(I'll still be playing Oblivion probably ) ..................

zAbbo

I still think they've priced it out of the casual gamer market, The Sony fanboys have already bought it, who else is going to buy it now ?

If you can't compare the PS3 to the 360, how about the Wii, which is outselling it at about 5:1.

So, Lets be honest as you say, you're advising people to wait a year ?

GrumPy

zabbo wrote:

I still think they've priced it out of the casual gamer market, The Sony fanboys have already bought it, who else is going to buy it now ?

If you can't compare the PS3 to the 360, how about the Wii, which is outselling it at about 5:1.

So, Lets be honest as you say, you're advising people to wait a year ?

Excellent point. My shop have sold exactly one unit out of the THREE we got in on launch. Compare that to a shed load of wii's.

xanthor

They could be. Nintendo and MS could have lied too.

RuggieBear

if the PS3 was was the same price as a 360...I'd probably buy it. it's just too damn expensive. besides BD-rom drives are now 200 euro or so

I wander into the Dublin games stores every now and again and ask about the wii...if it was available I'd consider an impulse purchase but it seems to be always sold out in any of the shops i visit

projectmayhem

pspdude wrote:

Didnt Sony recently release a story saying what a great success the PS3 was in pal territories??

Well what about this

http://www.nextgenireland.com/ps3sales.html

It says that after ringing shops in cork, dublin, galway and somewhere else (sorry) that the GBA and even the original xbox has managed to outsell the PS3 in certain areas and that while some shops are still taking pre orders for wii, some are giving a free ps3 game away with every console to try shift the machines? are sony fibbing by any chance?

i'm going to be the voice of reason here. the article needs to be more specific with it's figures if i'm to believe it (it also needs to not roll off the bottom in firefox...). it even links to a deal by Game's UK website as an example of how Irish retailers are trying to shiv people into buying the machine, despite the fact that at this stage in the 360's cycle, the same was being done (i know because i worked in a store then, and still do now, that sells consoles).

as for fibbing, if sony's caught lying about sales figures they're going straight to the european courts... it'd be fairly idiotic to lie about your figures in the public domain to seem cool when in fact you're just breaking an awful lot of laws.

also, about the Wii, i don't think it's selling out like everyone thinks... i just think Nintendo are doing a crap job of re-stocking european stores. i recall reading such a comment from the buyer for HMV or Virgin in the UK...

Retr0gamer

projectmayhem wrote:

also, about the Wii, i don't think it's selling out like everyone thinks... i just think Nintendo are doing a crap job of re-stocking european stores. i recall reading such a comment from the buyer for HMV or Virgin in the UK...

Not sure about that. Was in a Gamestop a few weeks ago when a new shipment of Wii's had arrived. I had to wait in a massive queue and every second person was looking for a Wii. They are doing a bad job of restocking the shops but the sales figures are very impressive. It will probably catch up with 360 sales before Christmas.

TheDoc

i work in argos, we got in 80 ps3 systems on launch and in 3 weeks, sold 3. Its now how long since the launch, we have sold 30.

We were sent a briefing regarding the ps3 stock levels blah blah and they wont be re ordered till further notice, complete flop. Now thats only with us and our sales statistics etc.

Our ps3 game sales are even worse, they just dont sell. We have enver had a fresh shipment of ps3 items since launch, have enver gone out of stock ,in my store anyway.

Aedh Baclamh

Complete flop

Maybe people buy games online because they're, ehhh, much cheaper? Just a guess.

peepingtom

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

i work in argos, we got in 80 ps3 systems on launch and in 3 weeks, sold 3. Its now how long since the launch, we have sold 30.

We were sent a briefing regarding the ps3 stock levels blah blah and they wont be re ordered till further notice, complete flop. Now thats only with us and our sales statistics etc.

Our ps3 game sales are even worse, they just dont sell. We have enver had a fresh shipment of ps3 items since launch, have enver gone out of stock ,in my store anyway.

in fairness, argos is the last place people (me anyway) will go to buy ANYTHING if they can get what they are looking for the same price or cheaper elsewhere. spend half an hour queuing with the plebs of society, or go into a proper shop with staff who know about the products they sell?

tough one that

i have about 8 mates who are into gaming and have been for years ... (and im talking proper mates. not people you meet online ) ... i think 5 of us have ps3's, 2 have 360's, and 1 has not bought a next gen yet.

All bought independently, also some in england some ireland. all around the same age (30) and all in professional jobs. Seems at least in my demographic, they are selling pretty well.

oh and i have no idea why people are comparing the wii to the ps3 or 360 .... makes no sense. its like comparing pop tarts to caviar.

my wii is going on adverts.ie this week if anyone is still looking for one? ive had it since christmas and i bet i havent used it half a dozen times, and even then only when my girlfriends mate come around with her kid ..... and to be honest even she prefers motorstorm.

I really dont get why people are so quick to dismiss the ps3??? .... its a great piece of kit .... im going to get a sexbox with the wii proceeds, so im far from a sony fanboy (i effin hate that word) btw, but anyone with half a brain can see the potential the ps3 has.


oh and before anyone wines about the cost ... i went into a garden centre a few weeks ago and ended up paying 400 euros for 2 plant pots (yes 2 fookin plant pots).... if you want nice things im afraid you have to pay for it....thats life, if you cant afford it dont buy it .... jesus id love a brand new alfa 147, but i cant afford it ... simple solution, i dont but it!

peepingtom

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Excellent point. My shop have sold exactly one unit out of the THREE we got in on launch. Compare that to a shed load of wii's.

grumpy, i think its pretty fair to say that by getting 3 ps3's for launch, that your shop doesnt primarily cater for the gamer market??? .... no?

you were probably lucky to sell one

Retr0gamer

peepingtom wrote:

All bought independently, also some in england some ireland. all around the same age (30) and all in professional jobs. Seems at least in my demographic, they are selling pretty well.

Thats completely the wrong demograph to be selling to. The big sales are in the kiddy to early teen markets. A very small precentage are in the older age groups with plenty of spare income. This is waht is helping the xbox 360 and Wii sell so much better. Their lower price points are what are appealing to these age groups or their parents. 630 euros is just too much. They don't care if the xbox 360 doesn't come with the same functionality out of the box as the PS3 since these features are meaningless to them. Stuff like online gaming have a very low penetration rate on consoles and most don't give a hoot about HD gaming or video.

peepingtom

Retr0gamer wrote:

Thats completely the wrong demograph to be selling to. The big sales are in the kiddy to early teen markets. A very small precentage are in the older age groups with plenty of spare income. This is waht is helping the xbox 360 and Wii sell so much better. Their lower price points are what are appealing to these age groups or their parents. 630 euros is just too much. They don't care if the xbox 360 doesn't come with the same functionality out of the box as the PS3 since these features are meaningless to them. Stuff like online gaming have a very low penetration rate on consoles and most don't give a hoot about HD gaming or video.

it would seem obvious to me that they are not trying to sell (at this point anyway) to kids. I want my console to be able to serve all or most of my entertainment needs ... i got what i wanted, and a expected to pay a premium for it... i couldnt care less who sells more than who to be quite honest.

I know what you are saying about the kids and that they "don't care if the xbox 360 doesn't come with the same functionality out of the box as the PS3 since these features are meaningless to them".

but i do!

you say that they are selling to the wrong demographic, but if they were selling to the right demographic, then surely we wouldnt have the same machine!

its late .... does that all make sense?

rabbitinlights

Ive just started as a manager of an EB Games store (Gamestop back home I think?) about 2 months ago here in Melbourne, The Wii is by far the best selling console (4-5 a day), then the PS3 with about 1-2 a day, but the one thing that has shocked me is that we have only sold 1 360 in the last 2 months??? anyone who is looking at a new next-gen console is buying the PS3 which retails at $999 (€630) over here, the 360 isnt even getting a look in?

Just thought Id give a bit of info from down-under!

s.

skywalker

pyzon wrote:

you have to take into account how long the XBOX 360 is out, so compare the PS3 in a years time to the XBOX 360 as it is now...i.e. no point posting now wait a year

I love the way some folks on here say this like its a valid point. Why is it any concern of a consumers how long a console is on the market? They care about whats in front of them right now.

o1s1n

skywalker wrote:

I love the way some folks on here say this like its a valid point. Why is it any concern of a consumers how long a console is on the market? They care about whats in front of them right now.

What am ignorant comment. It is a valid point. The 360 its well passed the launch period. Therefore it's going to have a much larger selection of games available than the ps3.

You have to give a console time to get going. The same thing is happening with the Wii. It's a great console, but it's short in the games department at the moment.

How can you just make a blanket statement about all consumers like that? It's idiotic. I for one, as a consumer, dont just care about what's in front of me right now. I'm looking forward to upcoming releases. As are most other consumers who have patience.

mickoneill30

o1s1n wrote:

How can you just make a blanket statement about all consumers like that? It's idiotic. I for one, as a consumer, dont just care about what's in front of me right now. I'm looking forward to upcoming releases. As are most other consumers who have patience.

So you're willing to pay a premium price now for potential in the future? Why not buy in the future when the games are there and the console is cheaper? Or wait for the PS4?

For gods sake if the games are good on the Wii, Xbox, PS3 then buy that console. Don't buy it because the games might be good in 6 months.

Retr0gamer

peepingtom wrote:

it would seem obvious to me that they are not trying to sell (at this point anyway) to kids. I want my console to be able to serve all or most of my entertainment needs ... i got what i wanted, and a expected to pay a premium for it... i couldnt care less who sells more than who to be quite honest.

I know what you are saying about the kids and that they "don't care if the xbox 360 doesn't come with the same functionality out of the box as the PS3 since these features are meaningless to them".

but i do!

you say that they are selling to the wrong demographic, but if they were selling to the right demographic, then surely we wouldnt have the same machine!

its late .... does that all make sense?

I get your point. I'm sure that the PS3 appeals to you and all the features it comes with are great. However it doesn't change the fact that by far the biggest market for consoles is the kids market and Sony have completely priced themselves out of this section with extras that they don't give a hoot about. The PS3 is going to fail if it continues selling to a demograph that has plenty of expendable money but traditionally isn't a big market for videogames.

savemejebus

many people see a games console as a long term investment (and looking at how much they cost they are probably right) so I think it is perfectly valid to see what the long term outlook for the console is before purchasing.

Retr0gamer wrote:

The PS3 is going to fail if it continues selling to a demograph that has plenty of expendable money but traditionally isn't a big market for videogames.

Didn't the PS1 initially succeed because of that demograph? Remember the PS1s in clubs etc. It (the PS1) was way too expensive at launch for the kids demographic too.

o1s1n

mickoneill30 wrote:

So you're willing to pay a premium price now for potential in the future? Why not buy in the future when the games are there and the console is cheaper? Or wait for the PS4?

For gods sake if the games are good on the Wii, Xbox, PS3 then buy that console. Don't buy it because the games might be good in 6 months.

No, I'm not willing to pay a premium price now for potential in the future. That is why I let all those impatient "on my god I must have my new technology now!" people run out and buy their new ps3s while I give it a year or two.

Retr0gamer

savemejebus wrote:

Didn't the PS1 initially succeed because of that demograph? Remember the PS1s in clubs etc. It (the PS1) was way too expensive at launch for the kids demographic too.

Nope. What the PS1 did was open up gaming to the 20-30 age group which was a whole new market. They also didn't price themselves out of the kid and teen market. The Playstation was originally $100 cheaper than it's competitor the Sega Saturn making it a far more attractive console.

It's the same strategy that Nintendo is now using with the Wii. It appeals to the traditional console buying audience but has opened up console sales to traditionally non games playing markets.

The PS3 on the other hand is alienating itself from a huge amount of the audience that the console should be targetting.

savemejebus

I don't know, from what I recall of the time the PS1 didn't get too popular with (normal) families and kiddies until after a price cut. There was a lot less money floating around then.

Retr0gamer

It was the same situation we have now with the PS2 still appealing a lot more to the kids market. When the console hit the $200 sweet spot was when the console took off in sales. Don't expect the PS3 to hit that sweet spot for a long time.

skywalker

o1s1n wrote:

What am ignorant comment. It is a valid point.

Why?

o1s1n wrote:

The 360 its well passed the launch period. Therefore it's going to have a much larger selection of games available than the ps3.

Yes. I see.

o1s1n wrote:

You have to give a console time to get going.

Why?

o1s1n wrote:

How can you just make a blanket statement about all consumers like that? It's idiotic. I for one, as a consumer, dont just care about what's in front of me right now. I'm looking forward to upcoming releases. As are most other consumers who have patience.

why should I as a consumer make allowances for the products Im offered right now, today, are not as good as other prodcuts on offer today? Im selecting between an ipod & a zen. I dont care what apple are going to be bringing out down the line, or what their release strategy is by comparison to another manufacturer. I want to know what I can buy today (presuming Im intending to buy a console today). It seems ridiculous to me to suggest people should be making allowances for one games machine having been around a shorter period than another comarible one.

So what? What does that mean to me as a consumer?