Cloragh Mills, Edmonstown Road, Rathfarnham, Dublin 16

irishpartyboy

Hi,
Does anyone know of any people who purchased one of these apartments? They were supposed to be complete September 2006 but still not complete.

http://www.myhome.ie/search/property.asp?id=277207&devid=15591

Cheers,
Brian

jdivision

Ring the selling agent

irishpartyboy

I've actually bought one of the apartments. I've been onto the selling agent countless times, 90% of the time someone takes a message and I don't receive a phone call back. They're quick enough to take the money off you.

Just wondering if anyone else on boards is having the same frustrating issues I am having...little or zero feedback on why there is a delay. My solicitor has been onto developers solicitor on many occasions and he's having the same luck as I am.

Therefore I'm curious to find out if anyone is in the same position...

Cheers.

eth0_

You could always try going there yourself and ask to speak to the foreman/site manager.

irishpartyboy

eth0_ wrote:

You could always try going there yourself and ask to speak to the foreman/site manager.

Good idea, and I already did in January. He didn't really give me any info, allowed me into the apartment and have a look around. The development was / is 95% finished so I was optimistic.

However no work has taken place since January. I heard from another source that the developer and building sub-contractor had a row... I've heard subsequently that the sub-contractor has pulled out, hence no work.

I also know that only 15 units out of the 30 have been sold. The estate agents are no longer showing people around, simply taking numbers and viewings at a later stage.

I sold my last place over a year ago, so back with the folks for alot longer than expected

aphex™

Did you move in yet? Place looks strangely empty.

The_Conductor

Hassett are still advertising these units- and offering to show people around. If you still have not heard anything- I'd advise contacting your solicitor. The builder's solicitor is: Jerry Doyle, Rutledge Doyle Solicitors 8-9 Store Street Dublin 1 Tel. 01 8556591

Kind regards,

S.

irishpartyboy

Ok folks we'll here's the latest.....

The developers solicitor has issued a letter to clients solicitors indicating that "all issues" between the developer and building sub-contractor have been resolved. I don't have details of the exact nature of the dispute but money is an obvious guess.

The letter indicated that work would recommence asap. I've not been up there since but I've been told by some friends there is alot more activity around the place. There's isn't actually that much more work to do. They didn't give exact dates, but indicated would be ready to snag sometime around start of September... ill believe it when it happens...

I'll be glad when I finally get in of course, but it just goes to show you... the developers hold all the cards by building in these standard 18 month clauses into new developments.. plus the developers solicitor is earning considerable interest on all deposits paid.

Will post up an update when I have it.

Brian

irishpartyboy

Still no movement here, seriously pissed off. They have till March 08 to sort this crap out, contracts null and void beyond that. Full refund plus I'll be investigating compensation..

The_Conductor

To be quite honest- being able to walk away may actually be the better option, given the reductions in prices for apartments over the past few months.

An alternate- might be to offer the developer a substantially lower amount to take the unit immediately as-is, and get your own builder to finish it off (contractors are 10-a-penny at the moment, no shortage of them will jump at the opportunity).

Prices are in freefall- so it would be in order to offer a substantially lower amount- maybe up to 25% lower than the original price. The builder is going to need the money one way or the other, and it gets you off his back.

eth0_

smccarrick wrote:

An alternate- might be to offer the developer a substantially lower amount to take the unit immediately as-is, and get your own builder to finish it off (contractors are 10-a-penny at the moment, no shortage of them will jump at the opportunity).

That doesn't sound very feasible - i'm sure the OP doesn't want to be in his lovely apartment, in the middle of an unfinished building!

Brodick

I called there on Monday. Believe me Nothing is happening. It's like as if the Developer has locked up and thrown away the keys.

Anyone know what's going on there?

Brodick

irishpartyboy

I've found out over the weekend, albeit unofficially, that the building sub-contractor has gone bust. I hear that another sub-contractor has just taken over and there is 2 months work left. Watch this space though, I will believe it when I see it....

For healthy & safety reasons, you can't move in to a building site. I know quite a number of the units have not been sold, possibly due to downturn, price etc. It sounds like the builder invested heavily, upto 50% are still unsold I'm led to believe.

irishpartyboy

Well finally there is some movement if anyone has passed the site in the last week. Original builder did go bust, another builder has taken over and work has recommended. They've already tidied up all the overgrown shrubs outside. This came from a guy who was talking to the new builder directly on site, expecting to snag in December / Jan.

Brian

emmasmom

Hi Bryan & everyone else,

Just found this. You are probably waiting as long as I have been...certainly more than 14 months now. I've heard that Block B and all landscaping are supposed to be finished now (as of 21 Jan '08) and that Block A and garage will now commence. No idea how long that will take!

Let me know if you've heard any update.

irishpartyboy

I was talking to the builder about 3 weeks ago. She said Block B ready to snag end of January, not heard anything yet. Unsurprisingly.

emmasmom

Hi Brian,

I've talked with the developer, Noel Ebbs, and I think (hope) you will be hearing from him shortly as Block B is just about ready. Also the landscaping (or re-landscaping) for the entire site is due to be completed this week. I've an apartment in Block A which hasn't been touched yet, but which he assures me will require much less work than Block A. My apartment won't be ready until about the end of February, apparently.

Good luck! And thanks for the builder's number. I don't think I'll ring it though...I met that lady one time when I went near the site....FORMIDABLE!

irishpartyboy

Hi Emmasmom,

Cheers for the info. Hopefully I'll get the shout this week so. I'll post back with an update.

Brian

cmd

I contacted Hassetts estate agents last Friday about this development and they replied to say that no information was available until issues were resolved!!! Has anyone who has bought an apartment here heard anything from the developer or builder as to their completion date?

emmasmom

As I haven't heard anything from you, Brian, I assume you are "dangling" just as I am.

Now I see what seems to be a new name on the thread, CMD. Welcome!

Since I've noticed that there has been about a 10% price drop on the remaining apartments, are either of you planning to hold out for a few "extras"? If so, please let me know what so I can do the same....I'm not very good at this bargaining business, but everyone tells me I should get this or that. Do either of you have an opinion from your solicitors?

Thanks!

I'll be back to you if I hear anything re: COMPLETION date!!!

E

irishpartyboy

Hiya,

My solicitor has been speaking to the builders solicitor this morning, they indicated I should have been contacted about arranging a snag, which of course I haven't been.

I'm going to call the builder directly now shortly to arrange, will let you know how I get on. I was told all apartments were pretty much complete last Friday / 22nd.

Re: price drop / extras, I'll see what my solicitor says. I don't know if they'll be obliged to do anything, but you never know. I'll post back here later.

Brian.

irishpartyboy

I spoke to the developer today. I am supposed to be snagging my apartment (block , this Thursday 6th or Friday 7th.

irishpartyboy

For others who may have bought an apartment (or have an interest) in Cloragh Mills, I have a confirmed snag date of next Wednesday 12th March.

Brian

irishpartyboy

For those who may be interested, I snagged my apartment yesterday afternoon. Nothing major but quite a few examples of lazy / clumsy workmanship (tilers / painters). I've included absolutely everything on my snag list, they've had enough time to get things right.

Moonbeam

Glad to hear your apt is finally ready and that you are happy with it:)

emmasmom

Hi Brian, Have you moved in yet? What is happening with Block A???? I despair of ever getting in! emma'smom

irishpartyboy

Hi Emmasmom,

The latest holdup is to do with a leak at the front of the development. They've had to dig up the blocks, find and plug the leak, and re-lay the blocks. Noel said it would take 2 weeks to complete that job, it looks like they are about 1/2 way through.

Once that's complete, people can start moving into Block B and they will be concentrating on Block A.... so I'm told... the saga continues.

Re kitchen appliances, it clearly states on my brochure that kitchens come with integrated appliances. He said there was a misprint on some brochures, and that they weren't included as standard. I faxed him a copy of the page on my brochure and he committed to supplying them at no extra cost.

I'll send you a copy of mine if you can't find it on yours.

Watch this space.

Brian

emmasmom

Thanks for the update, Brian. I have that brochure you mention and have also since seen "integrated kitchen appliances" listed on the Hassetts website, but thanks for the info that he has agreed to giving you these. It will help!

marino

Brian

Did you ever get into your apartment? and if so is everything ok with Block B now?

irishpartyboy

Not just yet. There's 4 people moved in already I'm told, 2 in each block.

marino

but i thought you snagged it in March and all was ok save for a few snags? is the builder going to compensate you? is the delay still down to the leak? i'm having no luck finding out any info from my solicitor and am sick of hanging around

irishpartyboy

The best thing I can suggest to you is to contact the developer directly (Noel Ebbs) and find out the current status with your unit. He will be able to answer all of your queries. You can get his contact details through the selling agent.

marino

thanks, will do!

local resident

I recently was doing some research regarding the planning background behind Cloragh Mills as there is a lot of speculation regarding it locally - always has been. The 'leak' referred to in earlier threads I would advise requires further investigation by would be owners because it is common knowledge amongst those who have an interest in planning matters locally that the development exceeded its site area, redirected the flow of a river without permission of the local authority. It is more than a leak if the river is the source of the leak. The word locally is that it is 'sinking'. I also know that there are significant compliance issues.

SDCC Officials and Local Councillors get very anxious when this development is brought up. It wouldn't surprize anyone locally if there isn't an investigation as to how this got planning permission.

If I have alarmed anyone it is done to 'flag' you so that you take the steps to protect yourself and your financial commitment.

marino

Thanks local resident. To be honest i was worried there might be something more serious than they were letting on because i've had no luck in getting info from Noel and my solicitor has tried but with no luck either. I'll do some investigating work and thanks for the warning - you haven't alarmed- i've had a bad feeling about it all since the unexplained delays started but i am worried about my deposit/loan offer now.

Marino

marino

Local Resident - what makes you think it's sinking? I've carried out some investigations but can't see any reference to this.

Marino

local resident

Dear Marino,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Residents talk and that would be regarded as hearsay but I have heard this for myself, from a Surveyor. In addition the same issue has come up in conversations with a couple of developers who are in the know about such matters. Both of these separate sources I trust and I also know that the file has gone walkabout in the Council Offices............consider the level of management charges you will be paying in the future! If a member of my family were thinking of buying one of these units I'd advise against it most strongly! I have also heard that an 'investigation' is on the horizon.
Regards
Local Resident

emmasmom

Busy all summer between moving in & visitors. I've only just found the recent posts and am very confused by what certainly does not seem to be reality as I see it.

To begin with, the level of the underground car park seems to me to be 20 or so feet higher than that of the Owendoher River. I don't see how the river could possibly be responsible for the previous leaks (all fixed by the way). I was here when the flood that wiped out Newcastle West hit and also yesterday when the river came up a good 6 feet. Yesterday the only bit of water in the car park was near the door which was blown in by the wind. Everything else is and was bone dry.

I have a copy of the planning permission here and I can't see what "compliance issues" there could be. I do know that the developer was to make a new bridge across the Owendoher and to make that and the river walkway accessible to the public. The bridge has been there and ready for months; I understand that SDCC was responsible for opening it once the insurance issue was clarified. As I see it is now open to everyone, I assume they have done that.

"Investigation" ... "sinking"? I don't know what to say...except that I certainly do not see shoddy workmanship anywhere here. I am more than satisfied with my new home; both the developer and builder could not have been more helpful over the past few weeks. Took a LONG time to get here but it was worth it!

And, no, I am not related to Noel Ebbs nor to anyone else on this project. Hope both you, Marino, and you, Brian, soon move in and join me!

Emmasmom

irishpartyboy

marino wrote: »

Local Resident - what makes you think it's sinking? I've carried out some investigations but can't see any reference to this.

Marino

Hi Marino, just so you know, the rumours about subsidence and planning issues is total fabrication. That is a fact.

I've since picked up my keys and looking forward to getting moved in.

mambo

irishpartyboy wrote: »

It sounds like the builder invested heavily, upto 50% are still unsold I'm led to believe.

Some are still unsold, and prices have dropped... see http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29405