Conjure a Demon

MooseJam

I'd like to conjure a Demon but have no idea where to start, any pointers would be greatly appreciated !

6th

First off I'd like to know what you mean by both "conjour" & "Demon"?

Or more importantly ..... why do you want to do this?


*Edit: Actually I should add that i don't think you'll find what you are looking for here. Try looking around some occult websites, though don't expect to get much help.

MooseJam

by conjure I mean to call into being, by Demon I mean an evil spirit, someone like pinhead would be good, I know he is a fictional character but if I managed to conjure up a real Demon of his ilk I would be happy

6th

Ok I know I'll regret going into this but why would you want to do this (presuming it can be done) and for what purpose?



Knowing you are not some 15 year old emo I have to presume this is some sort of trolly/spamming thread? Sure could be fun anyway.

MooseJam

Evil forces and more prone than good ones to dabble in our world, if I conjure a Demon I'd like to see what I can get out of It.

monkeyfudge

First off spell it 'daemon' it's far more esoteric sounding.

ZygOte

MooseJam wrote:

I'd like to conjure a Demon but have no idea where to start, any pointers would be greatly appreciated !

probably time to stop drinking, about an hour ago.

stormkeeper

No one in their right mind would want to summon a daemon... so either he's not in his right mind, or he's trolling... failing that he's an idiot. There's just some things you don't do, and summoning daemons is one of them, especially when you don't know what you're doing. I shudder to think what would happen if one were summoned to be honest. There's enough bad stuff going on in the world without adding more bad stuff to it!

And regarding this:

MooseJam wrote:

Evil forces and more prone than good ones to dabble in our world, if I conjure a Demon I'd like to see what I can get out of It.

What you can get out of it? It'll more than likely get something out of you!

6th

stormkeeper wrote:

No one in their right mind would want to summon a daemon... so either he's not in his right mind, or he's trolling... failing that he's an idiot.

I don't think personal insults are nessecery (always spell that wrong).

stormkeeper wrote:

There's just some things you don't do, and summoning daemons is one of them, especially when you don't know what you're doing. I shudder to think what would happen if one were summoned to be honest. There's enough bad stuff going on in the world without adding more bad stuff to it!
What you can get out of it? It'll more than likely get something out of you!

For there to be any real danger to moosejam we'd first have to presume daemons are real? What are they? Has anyone here ever experienced one? Or will it be all "we'll I haven't seen one but a friend I met on the internet did" .... moosejam could well find the information he is looking for on the net but with nothing to say they exist what danger is he in other than if a conjouring ritual suggests he harms himself or someone else?

Riamfada

Do we still get banned for reporting a thread a Troll? Anyway I dont think the paranormal forum should go the way of the Occult and a mod should prob lock the thread. My 2c

Is that backseat modding or bareback modding, I never can remember.

kshiel

Dont know if daemons exist but to conjure a nasty entity even is a very bad idea. Assuming that you are actually thinking of doing this and Even if you do manage to summon one what makes you think you could control it to do your biding? Why would you want something nasty in your life? If its danger your looking for why not go down a dark alley unarmed at night where you know nasty people (alive and kicking)will be and see just how much control you actually have over anything/one nasty. Or is this a whole revenage issue?

Sapien

MooseJam wrote:

Evil forces and more prone than good ones to dabble in our world, if I conjure a Demon I'd like to see what I can get out of It.

If your conception of what demons are like is simply that they are "evil", or even necessarily evil at all - then you certainly don't know what you're asking for.

Either way, this is certainly not the right forum to be asking, nor, for that matter, is the Paganism forum. Absolutely no offense intended to the pagans (not that I imagine any pagan would be offended at the accusation that they don't involve themselves with demons) but it simply isn't part of what they do. There isn't enough of a demand for the kind of magic you are looking for - if, indeed, you know what you are looking for - on this site.

You might try the following sites: occultforums.com, or, more locally, occultireland.
The latter isn't particularly lively, and the former presumes certain level of knowledge. I would recommend doing some reading even before asking questions on such sites - and I would recommend this text.

To others - I don't think there is any reason to believe that this person is a troll, and don't be too quick to dismiss evocation as a fruitful spiritual exercise. Goethe and Marlow are not the best authorities on the subject.

MooseJam

I don't think it's terribly dangerous, I will be trying this with like minded people so if it does appear to be going badly I will have someone watching my back. If it's successfull it's proof that there is more than just this physical reality and there could be so much to learn about the afterlife and even about life, just think of all the questions It could answer.

Sapien

MooseJam wrote:

I don't think it's terribly dangerous, I will be trying this with like minded people so if it does appear to be going badly I will have someone watching my back. If it's successfull it's proof that there is more than just this physical reality and there could be so much to learn about the afterlife and even about life, just think of all the questions It could answer.

No really. Do some reading first. It's not easy to do, and it most certainly can go horribly wrong.

6th

MooseJam wrote:

If it's successfull it's proof that there is more than just this physical reality and there could be so much to learn about the afterlife and even about life, just think of all the questions It could answer.

Lets presume its a successful venture and you manage to do this, how is it proof for anyone other than those that experience it? Millions of people have experienced poltergeist activity, apparitions, spirits etc but personal experience and subjective evidence is not proof for the masses.

If it was a question of conjouring up a daemon (like the spelling mf? ) and that being proof then if it doesn't work for you is that alll the proof you need that its all nonsense?

Sapien you are very right (iom) that this probably isn't the place for this discussion but some might think this is a troll because of previous experience on here, be that with the OP or similar threads. Personally I don't think it matters if its a troll or not - its an interesting view of things.

MooseJam

6th wrote:

Lets presume its a successful venture and you manage to do this, how is it proof for anyone other than those that experience it?

I'll just looking for proof for me, I'm not trying to convert the world

6th

moosejam, I might get a slap for suggesting it but sure why not just go with a ouija board? (Am not suggesting it but rather wondering why not choose a well know device for contacting questionable energies).

6th

MooseJam wrote:

I'll just looking for proof for me, I'm not trying to convert the world

If its just proof for you then why pick the calibre of entity that you have?

MooseJam

6th wrote:

If its just proof for you then why pick the calibre of entity that you have?

for the excitement element, the wow factor . A Ouija board is a good idea, I might give that a try and see how I get on, thanks

6th

Sure while you're at it why not look up things like "bloody mary" etc? Seriously, don't listen to me when I'm in this frame of mind!

stormkeeper

Okay, I admit I was harsh in my judgement earlier and I apoligise for this, but I really regard summoning a daemon with little to no prior experience equivelent to trying to ride a superbike when you can just about use a bicycle! That said, I imagine even those with the experience tend to avoid summoning them as well, as by the time you learn all about them and stuff, you realise that they're not really the easiest entities to deal with, and that's just the low-level ones!

I actually read a personal account of an encounter with a daemon in a book, which I've misplaced at the moment, and even though the daemon in question was of a low level, it was still fairly difficult for him to deal with.

And personally speaking, the only daemons I want to dabble with in any way shape or form are IRC daemons.

Anti

MooseJam wrote:

I'd like to conjure a Demon but have no idea where to start, any pointers would be greatly appreciated !

15 cans of dutch gold. And 2 bottles of cough medicine. You can conjur up anything you want.

Nevyn

MooseJam wrote:

I'd like to conjure a Demon but have no idea where to start, any pointers would be greatly appreciated !

I would say that you start by taking the key of Solomon and doing what ever research it takes for you to understand it and mastering the lesser banishing ritual of the pentacle; then when you are ready just before you start in a location where you will not effect local people of wild life,
( the sea bed with the tide out at night is good ) make sure to kiss your arse and sanity good by.

MooseJam

Thaedydal wrote:

I would say that you start by taking the key of Solomon and doing what ever research it takes for you to understand it and mastering the lesser banishing ritual of the pentacle; then when you are ready just before you start in a location where you will not effect local people of wild life,
( the sea bed with the tide out at night is good ) make sure to kiss your arse and sanity good by.

That key of Solomon is interesting stuff, I assume lots of people have tried it before, especially with it being on the internet , have you heard of anyone having any success with it.

Nevyn

Yes.

MooseJam

ok thx

solas

thought I might make a suggestion seeing as the world is briming with enough carcinogenic material as is, why not try conjuring forces for the betterment of humanity (or something the opposite of demonic). I'd like to see some of that for a change.

dib

MooseJam wrote:

so if it does appear to be going badly I will have someone watching my back.

Son. It's not your back you should be worried about. If this is your "bag" then I recommend a thorough study of Enochian "Magick" and ritual. You wouldn't be the first to presume you can exert your inner "Godliness" over whatever force you seek to control. I think you will learn some harsh lessons and I for one honestly hope you do. Arrogance like yours needs to be dispelled as soon as possible.

The word for the day is "humility". Please, for your own sake and the sake of those that care for you, honestly appraise your position in the grand scheme of things and KNOW that you cannot hope to bend these forces to your "will".

That is all.

Zillah

Can anyone link to anything conclusive where someone has been harmed by a demon?

If not then I find it hard to swallow that so many people can be so sure its a suicidal proposition.

kshiel

I would say it would be very hard to impossible to come up with anything conclusive to where it could be proven that a demon was the cause of the damage any more than it can be proven that an angel saved someone. That said Moosjam is looking to get in contact with something that is in his terms "evil" so I am asuming that he means bad ass or menacing to get what ever answers he and his friends are seeking. why ? seriously why would anyone want to seek out something of this nature. It is a very interesting topic and I am sure he is not alone trying out the darker side, and with all the information that can be gotten on such entities and most of it retaining to the distruction they do, I at least find it interesting/good that he is not just sallowing that information up to be all true.

The question for me still remains "Why put your sanity or people around you you care about at risk seeking something you deem evil? Lack of considering the whole situation and not really understanding the task at hand or down right selfish comes to mind.

You've been given some good advice Moosejam in other replies, study them and gain a respect for the knowledge you find first for yourself be it good or evil before you go off and just try what you are told on the internet.

6th

solas wrote:

thought I might make a suggestion seeing as the world is briming with enough carcinogenic material as is, why not try conjuring forces for the betterment of humanity (or something the opposite of demonic). I'd like to see some of that for a change.

Thats just not Hollywood darling, not Hollywood at all

MooseJam

kshiel wrote:

why ? seriously why would anyone want to seek out something of this nature.

To answer the age old question of course, is there really anything out there, as to why seek an evil entity, because the good guys don't say hello, how many people spend their whole life praying to their gods with nary a whisper in return, that would truly be time wasted, on the other hand it's generally accepted that evil entities can be contacted .

GuanYin

No problem with this topic, in fact, I'm surprised we haven't had more threads like this before.

Assuming the OP is legit, why would you want to start big? I'd imagine that like most things you learn, you'd want to start small and build your way up.

Zillah wrote:

Can anyone link to anything conclusive where someone has been harmed by a demon?

If not then I find it hard to swallow that so many people can be so sure its a suicidal proposition.

Ever consider that the answer to your question might be intrinsically linked to your statement?

Dead men tell no tales and all that

6th

psi wrote:

Assuming the OP is legit, why would you want to start big? I'd imagine that like most things you learn, you'd want to start small and build your way up.

Well that would be the sensible approach and if the OP was being sensible (no offense intended) then he probably wouldn't be undertaking this endevour.

Seriously, fair play to moosejam ... if you're gonna do it, do it.

Zillah

psi wrote:

Ever consider that the answer to your question might be intrinsically linked to your statement?

Dead men tell no tales and all that

And so Psi suddenly solved both Sudden Adult Death Syndrome AND Spontaneous Human Combustion!

GuanYin

Zillah wrote:

And so Psi suddenly solved both Sudden Adult Death Syndrome AND Spontaneous Human Combustion!

I've seen a few Sudden Adult Deaths so I'd discount those.

I hadn't considered the combustion, but now that you mention it

kshiel

MooseJam wrote:

To answer the age old question of course, is there really anything out there, as to why seek an evil entity, because the good guys don't say hello, how many people spend their whole life praying to their gods with nary a whisper in return, that would truly be time wasted, on the other hand it's generally accepted that evil entities can be contacted .

O please, did you read any of the other threads in here, maybe peoples own personal experiences with spirits, entities etc etc etc. Their own expereinces can only be of course true to the indivdual as it would be in your case if you did manage to contact an entity. Do you really think just because you want to see whats out there you will contact the type you want without at least some knowledge of what you are embarking on or is it that an evil entity is the only one who would answer or is it the quickest one to answer depending on your intent of this exercise? I'd love to hear why you think that no "good guys" could give you the answer to the age old question. Surly contact with an entity be it good or bad gives you that answer anyway. And for the record, I have contacted the good guys and have had many an amazing experience through these spirits.

faceman

MooseJam wrote:

To answer the age old question of course, is there really anything out there, as to why seek an evil entity, because the good guys don't say hello, how many people spend their whole life praying to their gods with nary a whisper in return, that would truly be time wasted, on the other hand it's generally accepted that evil entities can be contacted .

with all due respect, thats bull if i ever heard it. If anything its the other way around. As the cliche goes, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he never existed. why do demons need to be seen to influence evil on earth when humans take credit for it all the time.

ive had far more spiritual encounters with the good guys than the others. in fact my most spiritual moment was with the good guys.

OP, what age are you? Genuine question but my money is on you're a teenager goin through that whole explorative phase. Are you a nasty person? If both good and evil spirits demons or whatever could present themselves to you, would you still chose demons?

WindSock

Go for it, If you reckon you can handle it. I think it is terribly easy to go to the darkside. And tempting Does Voodoo dabble in it? try having a look at the rituals and calling on the spirits to consume you. But remember...look what happened to Lady Macbeth.

Dr Strange

I think I can remember something about A. Crowley and possession.
I don't have the book to hand but didn't he perform a certain ritual in the Egyptian Desert and something went wrong, his friend almost killed and Alaistair himself partially possessed by the being he conjured?

I think he claimed he never got rid of that part that possessed him that day.

Also, didn't he perform a very lengthy ritual (Abramelin?) which took over 60 days in preparation, fasting etc.?

What I am saying is that if you (the OP) consider "calling up" any kind of demonic being or spirits I doubt there is a "quick fix" to it. Things can easily go wrong even when tried by the more experienced ritualist.

Best,
P.

6th

boreds wrote:

Go for it, If you reckon you can handle it. I think it is terribly easy to go to the darkside. And tempting Does Voodoo dabble in it?

Voodoo isn't "evil" infact it has deep christian roots.

Sapien

Preusse wrote:

I think I can remember something about A. Crowley and possession.
I don't have the book to hand but didn't he perform a certain ritual in the Egyptian Desert and something went wrong, his friend almost killed and Alaistair himself partially possessed by the being he conjured?

I think he claimed he never got rid of that part that possessed him that day.

(Aleister)

The demon was Choronzon, Lord of the Abyss, the 10th Aether. Crowley evoked him in North Africa with Victor Neuburg. It didn't go particularly well, and it was one of the many misadventures for which he blamed the often crappy nature of his life thereafter.

Preusse wrote:

Also, didn't he perform a very lengthy ritual (Abramelin?) which took over 60 days in preparation, fasting etc.?

He attempted the Abramelin Operation early in his magical career, but aborted it before completion. An inauspicious thing to do, and another mistake he was wont to regret when pondering his many misfortunes.

Sapien

6th wrote:

Voodoo isn't "evil" infact it has deep christian roots.

Er!

It has Christian influences. And having something to do with Christianity doesn't necessarily make a thing not-evil.

But no, Voodoo, or Servi Loa as it is called by its adherents, isn't particularly evil.

6th

Of course, your right, I should have been clearer.

Dr Strange

Sapien wrote:

(Aleister)

The demon was Choronzon, Lord of the Abyss, the 10th Aether. Crowley evoked him in North Africa with Victor Neuburg. It didn't go particularly well, and it was one of the many misadventures for which he blamed the often crappy nature of his life thereafter.


He attempted the Abramelin Operation early in his magical career, but aborted it before completion. An inauspicious thing to do, and another mistake he was wont to regret when pondering his many misfortunes.

Yes, quite right, now that you mention it I remember that demon as well. Particularly because it sounded like something out of Lovecraft when I heard it the first time.

I wasn't aware that he didn't complete the Abaramelin ritual but that says a lot. Again, any operation of that kind would take a lot of preparation and not just something undertaken light-heartedly.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend calling up anything, no matter if I believe in it or not. I think there is more at stake than "just" losing your mind.

Best,
P.

stormkeeper

Preusse wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't recommend calling up anything, no matter if I believe in it or not. I think there is more at stake than "just" losing your mind.

I'd be inclined to agree, despite my relative lack of knowledge about this subject on the whole, although I obviously know enough to stay well away!

Zillah

6th wrote:

Of course, your right, I should have been clearer.

Vodoo isn't really a thing, there are hundreds of voodoo like beliefs, many of which indeed are more Christian than African. Some voodoo practitioners go to Christian like churchs and praise Jesus as on more of the Loa. Very interesting beliefs actually. The whole thing originates from West Africa.

psi wrote:

I hadn't considered the combustion, but now that you mention it

Foolish mortal, toying with forces beyond you! *breathes unatural flames that only burn the summoner*

I've seen a few Sudden Adult Deaths so I'd discount those.

No one you knew I hope... SADS always struck me as a very strange title for something; "They died for no discernable reason"...

GuanYin

Zillah wrote:

Foolish mortal, toying with forces beyond you! *breathes unatural flames that only burn the summoner*

Stranger things have happened. I'd list a few but I might insult someone.

No one you knew I hope... SADS always struck me as a very strange title for something; "They died for no discernable reason"...

All work related.

Clinicians and Scientists have a habit of giving meaningless tags to such events. It's a rather broad term to cover "we don't know".

WindSock

Oh, OK. I always thought there was or could be a particularly dark side to Voodoo/Houdou (sp)/ Servei Loa that some can wander in to, like putting curses on and inducing seizures etc. Maybe I'm just watching too much T.V.

Whats the deal with exorcists? Does every parish have one and I wonder do they get called to do them often?

kshiel

Isn't the Vatican offering courses now in exorcism due to the increase of satanic interest.

Oryx

Strikes me that the OP is on a power trip. Wanting to be able to head down the pub with a pet demon on a leash, that kind of thing. I mean, there are far easier and nicer ways of illustrating to yourself the existence of a spirit world.

All his posts show is an incredible lack of knowledge or care when it comes to the occult and paranormal. Sounds like hes been educated by Hollywood.

If Im wrong op, sorry, its just how you come across.